Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Pretty straight forward, Should Ray be making enquiries? If so, what do we need to be offering? Of course I have seen the Rangers be mentioned as an interested party, but is this the sort of move they want to be making at the beginning of a full rebuild. The leafs are going to be looking for a very decent return, what would you be willing to offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 We don’t have enough to offer. They want D and we can’t afford to part with the few promising defenseman we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Yes we should be interested. No we don’t have the assets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, devlman said: We don’t have enough to offer. They want D and we can’t afford to part with the few promising defenseman we have. I could see them asking for Bratt and Ty Smith (maybe something else too). I'm open to moving Bratt in the right deal, but I think the Devils gotta hang onto Smith no matter what. I know he's currently in a league that he's just way too good for at the moment, which makes it hard to put his numbers in perspective, but I gotta think he's making the Devils next season. But yeah, as much as I'd love the Devils to grab him (who wouldn't want a youngster who's already shown that he can produce?), I agree with others, not sure the attractive (but expendable) assets are there right now to get a deal done. Wish that wasn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I agree we don't have what Toronto needs in return. Nylander shoots right too. They'd want Severson at least, and maybe 1st rounder? We're thin enough on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: I could see them asking for Bratt and Ty Smith (maybe something else too). I'm open to moving Bratt in the right deal, but I think the Devils gotta hang onto Smith no matter what. I know he's currently in a league that he's just way too good for at the moment, which makes it hard to put his numbers in perspective, but I gotta think he's making the Devils next season. But yeah, as much as I'd love the Devils to grab him (who wouldn't want a youngster who's already shown that he can produce?), I agree with others, not sure the attractive (but expendable) assets are there right now to get a deal done. Wish that wasn't the case. Outside of the top line Ty Smith might be the one guy I’d consider untouchable right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Depending on his contract ask - maybe. If this kid is looking for 8M / 8 years then I'll take a hard pass. But if his ask is reasonable, I just don't know what we can offer Toronto that would beat out other offers. Our 1st is off the table (given how absolutely sh!tty we've looked as of late), Smith has to be off the table unless we're getting an absolute elite talent back.. I just don't think McLeod / Santini / Zacha gets us anything interesting anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: Depending on his contract ask - maybe. If this kid is looking for 8M / 8 years then I'll take a hard pass. But if his ask is reasonable, I just don't know what we can offer Toronto that would beat out other offers. Our 1st is off the table (given how absolutely sh!tty we've looked as of late), Smith has to be off the table unless we're getting an absolute elite talent back.. I just don't think McLeod / Santini / Zacha gets us anything interesting anymore. Remember when we all were strongly against trading at least 2 of those 3 cause they were the future? Ray has to make the call to find out what it’d take, then feel like sh!t thanks to the wonderful farm system Lou left him with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Let me throw another name out there and see what the consensus is - if Toronto asks for Butcher as the major piece in a trade do you do it? I think I would. I like Butcher a lot, but I think his game has some serious limitations that might not go away.. I'm going to guess the majority here would not want to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I’d do any combination of Severson, Zacha, and a 1st. Not all 3 though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Give them Cory Schneider, the trade will be 1 for 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jerzey said: I’d do any combination of Severson, Zacha, and a 1st. Not all 3 though. Given how this team is performing, the 1st is a non-starter. Edited November 12, 2018 by MadDog2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Given how this team is performing, the 1st is a non-starter. Pretty fair point. Maybe 2020 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: Let me throw another name out there and see what the consensus is - if Toronto asks for Butcher as the major piece in a trade do you do it? I think I would. I like Butcher a lot, but I think his game has some serious limitations that might not go away.. I'm going to guess the majority here would not want to trade him. I probably would. Not sure if Toronto would be up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: Let me throw another name out there and see what the consensus is - if Toronto asks for Butcher as the major piece in a trade do you do it? I think I would. I like Butcher a lot, but I think his game has some serious limitations that might not go away.. I'm going to guess the majority here would not want to trade him. Rather him than Bratt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, DevsMan84 said: I probably would. Not sure if Toronto would be up for it. The fact that Smith is waiting in the wings probably helps. I don't think Butcher as the major piece would be enough though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: The fact that Smith is waiting in the wings probably helps. I don't think Butcher as the major piece would be enough though. Also, is Butcher an UFA or RFA after this season? Not sure with the whole college thing and that could also lower his trade value if he is an UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: Also, is Butcher an UFA or RFA after this season? Not sure with the whole college thing and that could also lower his trade value if he is an UFA. He's an RFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I know we're sitting on a ton of cap space and eventually want to use it somewhere but I don't think Nylander is worth even 75% of the contract he's reportedly asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Rather him than Bratt. I still cannot understand this line of thought about Bratt. I just don't think he is anywhere close to untouchable or even valuable/essential. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lateralous said: I know we're sitting on a ton of cap space and eventually want to use it somewhere but I don't think Nylander is worth even 75% of the contract he's reportedly asking for. The Devils can afford to give out at least one giant contract for someone who currently isn't in the organization and there aren't any awards given out for most efficient use of cap space and it certainly doesn't amount to more wins. So the issue if the Devils decide to go after Nylander should not be how much you have to pay him, but what you have to give up for him so far as assets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: I still cannot understand this line of thought about Bratt. I just don't think he is anywhere close to untouchable or even valuable/essential. Definitely not untouchable. Like I said up thread, only the first line and Ty Smith should be right now. He’s definitely valuable though. Kid scored 13 goals as a 19 year old rookie. I just value Bratt’s skill as a top 6 forward over a 3rd pairing PP specialist who’s pretty bad defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Nicomo said: Definitely not untouchable. Like I said up thread, only the first line and Ty Smith should be right now. He’s definitely valuable though. Kid scored 13 goals as a 19 year old rookie. I just value Bratt’s skill as a top 6 forward over a 3rd pairing PP specialist who’s pretty bad defensively. I don't disagree about your assessment of Butcher, but I don't see Bratt as a top 6 forward either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: Yes we should be interested. No we don’t have the assets. This is unfortunately probably the answer. There's no way on earth Butcher is a "major piece" in a trade for the type of player we need. Butcher, Bratt and a 2020 first? Maybe. I wouldn't do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Butcher/Bratt and a 1st 2020 is a huge deal for us. Butcher is a bonafide offensive defenseman, young. He's got a ton of value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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