John Hynes Signs Extension - Star Ledger

[Triumph]

I feel like once ownership extends Shero, Shero has to either fire Hynes or sign him to a new deal.  Failure to do either thing still would suggest Hynes is a lame duck coach - and that's not really a position that's good for anyone.  That said, it's an unusual decision.

 

[MadDog2020]

 

[LittleBallofHate]

Love this - "our team"  

 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

17 hours ago, Kinkyisth3b3st said:

I am convinced you are a robot who randomly generates sentences to appear sentient. The below-listed are direct quotes only.

This represents ONLY content from your latest twenty two posts. TWENTY TWO POSTS. I stopped because I was laughing too hard. 

• This is all on the coaching staff and their god awful coaching philopsophy
• the coaching staff has not done enough to reel him in.
• FUNNY THING IS, GOOD COACHES ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO DO BOTH PRESSURE THE PUCK AND KEEP THE FRONT OF THE NET CLEAN
• WHY DOES HYNES NOT KNOW HOW TO DO BOTH?
• It is the coaching system that's making them look bad, not their actual play.
• Coaching lost this game
• For whatever reason, this coaching staff babies the kids far too much.
• Vatanen (not his fault because of the coaching system) doesn't pressure Panarin, he gets a pass to Atkinson for an easy goal.
• Coleman (not his fault because of the coaching system) doesn't pressure whoever it was, he gets a pass to Bjorkstrand for an easy goal
• This is the kind of game that gets coaches fired.
• The problem isn't the defense.  It's the coaching system.

In a somewhat ironic twist, I took another look at MB's post, and actually considered for a moment "Maybe MB was actually trying to be funny and sarcastic with that comment?"...ya know, kinda like how a "normal" person might roll...if that was the case, then that's a fairly humorous post. 

But then I remembered it was MB...so who the hell can say if he really is endorsing the extension, or genuinely trying to be chuckleworthy. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[slasher72]

OK.. so Hynes is staying put. Can we at least get rid of Nassredine? 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, slasher72 said:

OK.. so Hynes is staying put. Can we at least get rid of Nassredine? 

I am at a complete loss as to how the Devils can look so easily hapless and overwhelmed...and sometimes it's all over the ice.  Greene is bad and really should not be part of the team next season (though I'm fine with Hynes being extended, my main beef with him is that Greene is never held accountable for anything), but as a whole, I don't think the Devils' D should look as bad as it often does.  It's not some completely talentless group.   

[mfitz804]

3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

In a somewhat ironic twist, I took another look at MB's post, and actually considered for a moment "Maybe MB was actually trying to be funny and sarcastic with that comment?"...ya know, kinda like how a "normal" person might roll...if that was the case, then that's a fairly humorous post. 

But then I remembered it was MB...so who the hell can say if he really is endorsing the extension, or genuinely trying to be chuckleworthy. 

If that was sarcasm, then it was funny and also well timed. 

But I can’t say for sure whether he’s been programmed for humor. 

[slasher72]

1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I am at a complete loss as to how the Devils can look so easily hapless and overwhelmed...and sometimes it's all over the ice.  Greene is bad and really should not be part of the team next season (though I'm fine with Hynes being extended, my main beef with him is that Greene is never held accountable for anything), but as a whole, I don't think the Devils' D should look as bad as it often does.  It's not some completely talentless group.   

I"m just resigned to the fact that Nasreddine is an awful coach but for some reason (I'm guessing it's due to loyalty), Hynes will not dismiss him. So... keeping him around will keep the D playing like garbage. The other night was an absolute joke the way Heiskenen and Seguin skated right to the net untouched and scored. Our guys just stood there like pylons. And it's not just one game.. it's endemic this season. Nasreddine has to go after this season. If Hynes brings him back (and Andy Greene is back) next year will be more of the same with this group.  

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, slasher72 said:

I"m just resigned to the fact that Nasreddine is an awful coach but for some reason (I'm guessing it's due to loyalty), Hynes will not dismiss him. So... keeping him around will keep the D playing like garbage. The other night was an absolute joke the way Heiskenen and Seguin skated right to the net untouched and scored. Our guys just stood there like pylons. And it's not just one game.. it's endemic this season. Nasreddine has to go after this season. If Hynes brings him back (and Andy Greene is back) next year will be more of the same with this group.  

It could be something as simple as that Hynes and Shero think Nasreddine will grow into the job...and of course I'm looking strictly from the outsider's perspective that comes with being a fan...but I just don't see what he brings.  I could understand if the D was made up of a bunch of stopgaps/past-their-prime vets, but no matter how I look at it, I see more talent there than what we see in too many games. 

[LittleBallofHate]

Well Nas is in charge of the PK & it's been pretty darned good for the past year or so... plus our D isn't exactly elite. For those that have a subscription to the Athletic, there's this article from last April which makes me think he's staying:  

https://theathletic.com/319369/2018/04/18/a-partnership-that-helped-rebuild-the-devils-was-an-eight-year-journey-filled-with-learning-and-respect/

“He really understands the teams and the players and the ebbs and flows of the season. He’s very honest with me. I respect a lot of the opinions he has — not just the Xs and Os part, but the bigger things like dealing with the team, the schedule.”

While Hynes and Nasreddine have different backgrounds and experiences, what made them different made them work well together immediately. Hynes had been a coach since his playing days ended at 21 because of an injury but had little experience dealing with professional players.

Nasreddine had no coaching experience, but as a captain and leader, he had loads of the kind Hynes was missing — relating to players at the highest levels, gauging and managing everyone's personalities in the dressing room.

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“To be honest, I made this clear with John and also with Ray and Tom Fitzgerald that right now I am here and in the immediate future it is not something I want to pursue to get into a head coaching position. I still feel like I have a lot to learn at this level. If I wanted to take that path, I had the opportunity after five years in Wilkes-Barre when John came here but I decided to take the way here in the NHL.

“I don’t feel like I need to take that jump and go back to the American Hockey League to be a head coach. I think I need a couple more years to really understand the league here for one, and for two we started something that I feel is going to be special and I just don’t feel in my heart that I want to leave at this time.”

[SterioDesign]

our D was far from elite when we made it to the finals in 2012. It was all about the system they played and their positioning. The old guys are getting beat with speed all the time sure... but the amount of time where guys are left wiiiide open or able to walk in easily for a scoring chance is staggering. There's a problem

[aclc79]

On 1/4/2019 at 9:46 AM, slasher72 said:

OK.. so Hynes is staying put. Can we at least get rid of Nassredine? 

That seems to be the thought of the day.  Because of Hynes' loyalty to him, I doubt it will happen any time soon....

[Satans Hockey]

Periods like this is why I'm not happy with re-signing Hynes. It happens way too often whether we have a healthy lineup or not. 

[MadDog2020]

11 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Periods like this is why I'm not happy with re-signing Hynes. It happens way too often whether we have a healthy lineup or not. 

Agreed. They’re listless and unprepared far too often.

[NJDevs4978]

11 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Periods like this is why I'm not happy with re-signing Hynes. It happens way too often whether we have a healthy lineup or not. 

It's also why I'm annoyed at Shero for the first time.  Extending Hynes for multiple years in this trainwreck of a season really was no different than the Johnsons extending Todd Bowles last year after back to back 5-11's.  People complained about Lou's itchy trigger finger but at least there was accountability then.

Edited January 11, 2019 by NJDevs4978

[slasher72]

21 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

People complained about Lou's itchy trigger finger but at least there was accountability then.

Except when it came to himself and his scouting department. 

[jagknife]

1 hour ago, slasher72 said:

Except when it came to himself and his scouting department. 

But didn’t you know? It’s the prospects fault for not developing, not Lou’s inability to find talent for the modern NHL

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

It's also why I'm annoyed at Shero for the first time.  Extending Hynes for multiple years in this trainwreck of a season really was no different than the Johnsons extending Todd Bowles last year after back to back 5-11's.  People complained about Lou's itchy trigger finger but at least there was accountability then.

Don't make too much of the "multiple years" thing.  It's not like Shero gave him a 3-5 year extension.  I mentioned this in another thread...he was a lame duck prior to the extension, and extending him only one more year would've just made him a lame duck again next season...Shero likely didn't want that, so he extended him by the minimum, really.  It's more like a probationary extension...if Shero thinks this team should be more of a legit playoff contender in 2019-20 and the Devils are not playing well, Hynes will be toast before season's end (unless the team is so decimated by injuries that it will impossible to pin it all on the coach).  It's closer to a "show me" than some major stamp of approval. 

[AEWHistory]

On January 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM, mfitz804 said:

What a difference a hyphen can make...

This reminds me of my favorite historical anecdote from Tsarist Russia.  One day a Russian noble-woman's lover was on trial.  The trial didn't go his way and she appealed and got this response:

"Pardon impossible, to be sent to Suberia."

So she had a forger remove the comma and instead place it elsewhere.  She took the note to the prison to free her lover, since it now said:

"Pardon, impossible to be sent to Siberia."

A little comma can make a big difference too!

[NJDevs4978]

On 1/11/2019 at 9:34 AM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Don't make too much of the "multiple years" thing.  It's not like Shero gave him a 3-5 year extension.  I mentioned this in another thread...he was a lame duck prior to the extension, and extending him only one more year would've just made him a lame duck again next season...Shero likely didn't want that, so he extended him by the minimum, really.  It's more like a probationary extension...if Shero thinks this team should be more of a legit playoff contender in 2019-20 and the Devils are not playing well, Hynes will be toast before season's end (unless the team is so decimated by injuries that it will impossible to pin it all on the coach).  It's closer to a "show me" than some major stamp of approval. 

Assuming he was on his last year that just makes the timing more hilariously bad.  Why not extend him in the offseason or training camp when he'd come off a decent year and had some goodwill?  He was still going to be a lameduck then.  Doing it now smack in the middle of a poor season is basically trolling the fanbase, it's almost as if they were happy to save money on the extension by doing it when his leverage was down.

Edited January 12, 2019 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Assuming he was on his last year that just makes the timing more hilariously bad.  Why not extend him in the offseason or training camp when he'd come off a decent year and had some goodwill?  He was still going to be a lameduck then.  Doing it now smack in the middle of a poor season is basically trolling the fanbase, it's almost as if they were happy to save money on the extension by doing it when his leverage was down.

Shero clearly doesn't think that Hynes is an issue, or THE issue, anyway.  There's something about Hynes that Shero obviously likes a lot...enough that while he didn't go overboard with a lengthy extension, he wanted to show Hynes that he does have some belief in his coaching abilities.  And though this year hasn't been pretty, when Schneider's basically been a complete nonentity (except for when he's taking his team out of games before they even have a chance to settle in), and KK's warts from playing too much are showing more and more, and his best player has now missed a batch of games, and another player in MoJo has never really gotten it going (and is also injured again, even though being injury-prone was not much of an issue for much of his time with the Caps), and the one goalie who was showing a little something gets hurt...how much blame should Hynes get?  (Of course if you're MB, you blame everything on the coach).  Not implying that every last thing that Hynes does is perfect of course (I'll always wonder why Greene gets the untouchable treatment), but I don't think too much of what's gone wrong this season can get pinned on him. 

Not sure why you suddenly seem to be implying that suddenly Shero and the Devils are operating like the Mets and looking to save pennies any way possible, to the detriment of everything else.  I don't get that vibe from this ownership at all. 

 

[NJDevs4978]

2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Not sure why you suddenly seem to be implying that suddenly Shero and the Devils are operating like the Mets and looking to save pennies any way possible, to the detriment of everything else.  I don't get that vibe from this ownership at all. 

I wasn't being entirely serious with the saving pennies on the extension line but at a certain point the proof's gotta be in the pudding.  Either they're going to spend or they won't, the excuses don't fly forever.  Sure there's no overt smoking gun suggesting they are penny pinching (like Madoff with the Mets) and no Josh Kosman constantly waving around financial statements in the Post, but some of us were saying that with Vanderbeek too, when they still had one of the highest payrolls until near the end.  McMullen was called a cheapskate and in a lot of cases he was but THAT team still managed to have a top eight-top ten payroll in several seasons. 

These owners, sure it's nice they aren't butting in per se but they've basically operated at a Moneyball level with both the Devils and Sixers to this point consistenly being in the bottom five-ten payrolls.  I just don't see why they continue to get the blind benefit of the doubt when there's no current evidence that actually supports your or others' view they will spend other than Shero pinkyswearing there's no restrictions and vague reports we were 'in' on certain players.  For years we've been told we'll spend when the time's right but we've banked useless cap space for years and now we're staring at an offseason where we may lose Hall because we've spent too much time ****ing around, and reset the rebuild AGAIN.  

Edited January 12, 2019 by NJDevs4978

[HellOnICE]

Hasan,

Not seeing any prooof of this. The Sixers are spending, the Devils have spent where needed, and Ray has been pretty explicit about the spending and his motives. We also don't know about offers not accepted. I will say this though, look at the organization and the amount of hiring done in the last couple years. My lord, they've added a ton of employees and are making investments everywhere. With my job, I've engaged them a little on the business side and they're doing a ton of stuff in every facet of the org. They'll spend the money on players when the time comes. 

[SterioDesign]

On 1/12/2019 at 3:10 PM, NJDevs4978 said:

I wasn't being entirely serious with the saving pennies on the extension line but at a certain point the proof's gotta be in the pudding.  Either they're going to spend or they won't, the excuses don't fly forever.  Sure there's no overt smoking gun suggesting they are penny pinching (like Madoff with the Mets) and no Josh Kosman constantly waving around financial statements in the Post, but some of us were saying that with Vanderbeek too, when they still had one of the highest payrolls until near the end.  McMullen was called a cheapskate and in a lot of cases he was but THAT team still managed to have a top eight-top ten payroll in several seasons. 

These owners, sure it's nice they aren't butting in per se but they've basically operated at a Moneyball level with both the Devils and Sixers to this point consistenly being in the bottom five-ten payrolls.  I just don't see why they continue to get the blind benefit of the doubt when there's no current evidence that actually supports your or others' view they will spend other than Shero pinkyswearing there's no restrictions and vague reports we were 'in' on certain players.  For years we've been told we'll spend when the time's right but we've banked useless cap space for years and now we're staring at an offseason where we may lose Hall because we've spent too much time ****ing around, and reset the rebuild AGAIN.  

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What did you want us to spend our useless cap space on exactly ? The top free agents like Tavares and Van Riemsdyk didn't want to sign in NJ so what now? Wanna throw a 80m, 7 years contract to guys like Vanek, bozak, perron or filpula ? 

Spending money just to spend money is not any better

[NJDevils1214]

7 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

What did you want us to spend our useless cap space on exactly ? The top free agents like Tavares and Van Riemsdyk didn't want to sign in NJ so what now? Wanna throw a 80m, 7 years contract to guys like Vanek, bozak, perron or filpula ? 

Spending money just to spend money is not any better

I really don't understand how people think that throwing money at FAs for the sake of doing something is the right answer. Posts complaining about the off season seem to pop up here several times a week.