2019 New York Mets Season Thread

['7']

And Cano came back and went 3-3. Which is pretty much picking up where he left off. Good to see. He'll need to keep this up because the only way we sneak into a Wild Card is if we slug our way to the point where the bullpen can't wreck things. And the bullpen will try extraordinarily hard to wreck things.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

2 hours ago, '7' said:

Also, maybe you could've used Wilson last night? Instead of Paul Sewer 

Me and Has wondered the same thing...they could have at least gone to him when everything was quickly going to sh!t.

2 hours ago, '7' said:

Well they bounced back. Though even in victory today...everybody is still of shellshocked and the damage was still done. There's not much time left and we can't just dust off blowing 6 run 9th inning leads

Last night kind of reminded me of the Castillo drop in terms of national embarrassment and lolmets. People also forget we won the next day too back in 2009

Yeah, incredibly hollow series win.  You’d never know that they just took two out of three.  

Obviously, what sucks is that they need to go on another tear AND get a ton of help.  Not going to happen.  

['7']

With the way the Cubs are playing now...I don't know even if the Mets play well the last 20 something it may not matter for us or the Phillies (and they lost again to the below average Reds)

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

11 hours ago, '7' said:

With the way the Cubs are playing now...I don't know even if the Mets play well the last 20 something it may not matter for us or the Phillies (and they lost again to the below average Reds)

23 games left for the Mets

17 home, 6 away.

71-68 record

To me, with the way other teams are playing, you have no choice but to hope that 90 wins will get you there.  So it's basically go 19-4 or better.  And no, I can't possibly make a case for that when this team just endured a six-game losing streak at the worst possible time.  Not with a bullpen that can play with matches and pour gasoline on any seemingly winnable game at any time.  With all of the implosions we've seen this season, can anyone possibly convince me that we won't see at least three or four more of them by season's end?  Yeah right.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

On another topic...Gio Gonzalez has basically done what Gio Gonzalez does, as a Brewer.  He got off to his usual good start (despite not providing many innings...more on that in a bit)...he put up a 2.39 ERA through five starts, and hadn't given up more than three ER in any of them.

Then a trip to the IL.  That occurrence is new...Gio is definitely NOT an innings-eater by any stretch (usually struggles to average 6 IP per start, and rarely cracks the 200 IP plateau), but in eight out of nine seasons prior to this one, he made at least 31 starts...he wasn't much of a bet to go deep into games, but you could least expect him to take the ball when his turn came up.

Once he came back...typical "not very good after the good start to his season" Gio of more recent years.  Though his team has managed to go 6-3 in his last nine starts, he's only managed to provide 41 IP in those starts (he walked 24 during that time, and gave up 7 dingers), and has put up a 5.27 ERA in those games.  His BB have been up the past two seasons as well. 

Gio's lifetime numbers still look fairly solid (especially if you isolate his 2010-2017 sample (see below), where he was a pretty good 6-inning guy, though prone to tailing off in later years), but he is not nearly what he was at this point.  I wasn't interested in him at the time (especially since he can go worst-of-Vargas bad when he struggles now), and I'm glad that BVW steered clear. 

He seems like one of those guys who's going to fade very quickly...not that he has anything to be ashamed of, really.  He was a solid performer from 2010-17...made 251 starts during those seasons, with his numbers averaging out to 31 starts per year, 14 wins, 9 losses, 3.41 ERA, 189 IP, 164 H, 78 ER, 16 HR, 75 BB, 182 K, and a 1.267 WHIP.  Not spectacular, but better than a lot of guys (though he seemed like he could be rattled pretty easily, much like two other lefties, Matz and Niese).  Plenty solid major-league career, that looks like it could end much sooner than one would've expected. 

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Colorado Rockies 1976

['7']

Matz hits Harper on the hand (just missed getting him in the face) don't think it was intentional but with how Phillies pitchers were hitting Mets all season...it was necessary. He ran the bases but just came out of the game

['7']

4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

On another topic...Gio Gonzalez has basically done what Gio Gonzalez does, as a Brewer.  He got off to his usual good start (despite not providing many innings...more on that in a bit)...he put up a 2.39 ERA through five starts, and hadn't given up more than three ER in any of them.

Then a trip to the IL.  That occurrence is new...Gio is definitely NOT an innings-eater by any stretch (usually struggles to average 6 IP per start, and rarely cracks the 200 IP plateau), but in eight out of nine seasons prior to this one, he made at least 31 starts...he wasn't much of a bet to go deep into games, but you could least expect him to take the ball when his turn came up.

Once he came back...typical "not very good after the good start to his season" Gio of more recent years.  Though his team has managed to go 6-3 in his last nine starts, he's only managed to provide 41 IP in those starts (he walked 24 during that time, and gave up 7 dingers), and has put up a 5.27 ERA in those games.  His BB have been up the past two seasons as well. 

Gio's lifetime numbers still look fairly solid (especially if you isolate his 2010-2017 sample (see below), where he was a pretty good 6-inning guy, though prone to tailing off in later years), but he is not nearly what he was at this point.  I wasn't interested in him at the time (especially since he can go worst-of-Vargas bad when he struggles now), and I'm glad that BVW steered clear. 

He seems like one of those guys who's going to fade very quickly...not that he has anything to be ashamed of, really.  He was a solid performer from 2010-17...made 251 starts during those seasons, with his numbers averaging out to 31 starts per year, 14 wins, 9 losses, 3.41 ERA, 189 IP, 164 H, 78 ER, 16 HR, 75 BB, 182 K, and a 1.267 WHIP.  Not spectacular, but better than a lot of guys (though he seemed like he could be rattled pretty easily, much like two other lefties, Matz and Niese).  Plenty solid major-league career, that looks like it could end much sooner than one would've expected. 

 

Thing about these lefties though, they go through rocky parts of their careers and if they can figure it out....make some adjustment, learn how to pitch when their velocity naturally decreases with age (maybe adopt a new pitch or experiment with a new arm angle) they can last forever. Either as 6 inning max soft tossing starters or specialists that come out of the bullpen.

He may fade quickly and be gone, but because he throws left handed he will be given so many more chances to prove it and reinvent himself than any other pitcher. I say if he doesn't just fade away and gets that 2nd wind...that means he'll still be starting somewhere at 43 😜

Vargas looked absolutely hopeless finished no chance at all DONE. And yet he continues to putter along somewhat effectively. Hey if you're a lefty with an era under 5.00. You will be starting somewhere. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

So an ump makes a bad call, and Matz immediately gives up a double that drives in a run on the next pitch.  Big shocker.

['7']

Umpiring in general this year..seems like the Mets always get screwed over by bad calls. CB Bucknor has been atrocious to Mets batters and Elfins biggest supporter giving him 1-2 inches on the cornes

But yea, that was endemic of Matz's lack of mental toughness. As soon as one thing goes slightly wrong...error, bad call...he dwells on it and chokes

['7']

Matz starting the 6th with 89 pitches. Could be a difficult inning

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 minute ago, '7' said:

Matz starting the 6th with 89 pitches. Could be a difficult inning

Yeah those high pitch counts can be such a bitch...especially with a guy like Matz who isn't known for battling or going deep into games.  You figure most games, your bullpen's gotta come up with 9+ outs in his starts. 

['7']

Borderline strike of course doesn't go our way (CB Bucknor is trash) so Matz is going to fall apart this inning to the tune of 4-5 runs. 

That up and away pitch was strike 3 all night to Eflin.

Edited September 7, 2019 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Matz is starting to Matz it up.  Just what he does.

At least Mickey got him out of there before it got too ugly.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Of course Conforto doesn't get the run home from third there. 

Thank God Ramos is miles ahead of Conforto in the pure clutch department.

 

Oh FFS why in hell is Diaz coming into this game?  WHY?!  (oh, because Lugo is unavailable)

Got one out.

And then a base hit.  I can smell the two-run shot coming already...

Edited September 7, 2019 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Way to go Mickey...how many fvcking times do you have to see the same goddamn thing?!  YOU fvckING IDIOT!

[NJDevs4978]

BAHAHAHA...Mickey, Brodie and Diaz all deserved that.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, NJDevs4978 said:

BAHAHAHA...Mickey, Brodie and Diaz all deserved that.

They all deserve each other.  Truly. 

['7']

Diaz is absolutely hopeless. This is worse than Rojas. This is literally the worst relief pitching I have ever seen from any closer.  This is the worst fall apart gutless performance I have ever seen. He needs to be forced to stand on the mound and endure a rainfall of batteries from Mets fans. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, '7' said:

Diaz is absolutely hopeless. This is worse than Rojas. This is literally the worst relief pitching I have ever seen from any closer. 

And the walking lobotomy that passes for our manager is completely incapable of seeing this for himself.  Can't wait to hear Mickey talk about how electric Diaz's stuff was tonight. 

['7']

Just Mickey and DIaz together...take Familia out of it for now. Diaz + Callaway have EASILY cost us 10 wins. 

['7']

I know Terry Collins signed on to be an on air analyst...but if I'm the Mets and I haven't pinpointed who my manager of the future is sometime this fall/winter I RUN to Terry Collins and beg him to be our manager in 2020. Callaway and Collins are night and day. Collins isn't even any good but if he's our manager this year we're probably sitting in a playoff spot right now. Even lower level managers are better than the staggering incompetence of Callaway

Callaway is John MacLean if we gave him 2 full seasons. Lemaire came here and was speechless. He'd never seen something like this before. The players were not even conditioned to play hockey...it's like they forgot

We will be astounded at what we see when Callaway is gone

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Yeah calling Mickey a buffoon is an insult to buffoons.  The guy is just so terrible...the fact that he can make fans long for TERRY COLLINS says it all.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

GREAT EYE PETE!

And go figure, the biggest loser on this team is the one who gets the win. 

['7']

Strip Edwin Diaz of this win. I never though I could still be this angry after W's but leave it to Brodie/Mickey/Diaz. The 3 Stooges🤣

['7']

52 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah calling Mickey a buffoon is an insult to buffoons.  The guy is just so terrible...the fact that he can make fans long for TERRY COLLINS says it all.

And I'm sure if we go back into the archives yea we had some sharp criticism of Collins. Bullpen management that was out of the  60's and 70's in terms of using guys, how often, when you should pull them or let them work it out. He pushed the wrong buttons far too often. Terry just flat out burned the pen and left starters in until they were way past fumes. But at least he understood the fundamentals of baseball and could manage ahead. Meaning he could anticipate a move or two ahead on the diamond. Good managers like LaRussa would think several moves ahead. Callaway can barely think in the here and now.