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deGrom really laboring out there today. A surprise to nobody as Ramos is catching him. Ramos and deGrom are just not on the same page. Seriously Nido needs to catch deGrom every start. Even day game after night game. 

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Apparently the problem with Ramos is that he knows he can’t handle offspeed stuff in the dirt, so he calls a lot of fastballs...which is why deGrom and Syndergaard absolutely do not want to throw to him.  I’m all for a catcher being able to hit, but the Mets should just dump Ramos ASAP, and simply let Nido handle the catching as much as possible for the rest of this season.  See how much his bag can develop.  I did like the Ramos signing initially, but he’s clearly just a very bad fit.  

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I definitely want Ramos gone. I mean when he plays the Mets he's Babe Ruth but he's awful handling a staff, his bat is starting to slip, and he is almost impossibly slow on the basepaths

Mets will blow this game too. That's a certainty. deGrom just has no gas in the 5th and is going to get lit up here

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Familia should not have been allowed in this game. Or any game ever again

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Dom Smith has been cooling off a bit...hope this isn’t the beginning of him coming back to Earth, because he’s definitely been one of the more fun stories in a season that hasn’t had many of them at all.

Nice to see this damned team get deGrom a win for once.

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3 hours ago, '7' said:

I definitely want Ramos gone. I mean when he plays the Mets he's Babe Ruth but he's awful handling a staff, his bat is starting to slip, and he is almost impossibly slow on the basepaths

Mets will blow this game too. That's a certainty. deGrom just has no gas in the 5th and is going to get lit up here

I think the Mets will play Wilson a lot (even when deGrom and Syndergaard are pitching) in the hopes of moving him.  Probably hoping his bat picks up, though with his defense clearly on the decline, not sure if a hot bat would be enough to get a team to take him.  

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Though no one's come out and said it outright...it looks like this organization has serious doubts about Rosario's future as a SS here.  We've heard the chatter about moving him to CF (?!), and we're hearing more and more about his lack of range at short...and of course there's his weak bat...don't be fooled by the uptick in his hitting numbers...he's still putting up an OPS+ of 92, which is below average (100).  He's young, but the general feeling is that he's not really showing much improvement in any particular aspect of his game. 

What sucks about this of course that the Mets have treated him like this fvcking untouchable for how many years now, and how he was a future star and one of the franchise's big-time prospects (and even if his bat would be a little iffy, he would still be a fielding monster).  What also sucks is that this is no longer a guy with a lot of trade value anymore...he doesn't do any one thing particularly well.

Supposedly the new fair-haired boy "SS of the future" is now 20-year-old Andres Gimenez, who's currently in AA.  I really hope HIS glove is up to snuff, because his offensive numbers sure as hell don't do much to wow.  In his last 49 GP with Bingo, he's slashing .231/.294/.330.  He's also struck out 46 times and walked only 11.  Does that not sound the potential coming of Amed Rosario Part Deux?  Hell, in Rosario's defense, he SHREDDED it with Bingo while he was there...slashed .341/.392/.481.  And he was the same age as Gimenez is now. 

So why exactly are we supposed to be excited about HIM potentially displacing Rosario?  Like I said, his glove better be fvcking dynamite. 

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And of COURSE Wheeler heads to the IL just before the trade deadline.  Because why wouldn't he?! 

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23 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Though no one's come out and said it outright...it looks like this organization has serious doubts about Rosario's future as a SS here.  We've heard the chatter about moving him to CF (?!), and we're hearing more and more about his lack of range at short...and of course there's his weak bat...don't be fooled by the uptick in his hitting numbers...he's still putting up an OPS+ of 92, which is below average (100).  He's young, but the general feeling is that he's not really showing much improvement in any particular aspect of his game. 

What sucks about this of course that the Mets have treated him like this fvcking untouchable for how many years now, and how he was a future star and one of the franchise's big-time prospects (and even if his bat would be a little iffy, he would still be a fielding monster).  What also sucks is that this is no longer a guy with a lot of trade value anymore...he doesn't do any one thing particularly well.

Supposedly the new fair-haired boy "SS of the future" is now 20-year-old Andres Gimenez, who's currently in AA.  I really hope HIS glove is up to snuff, because his offensive numbers sure as hell don't do much to wow.  In his last 49 GP with Bingo, he's slashing .231/.294/.330.  He's also struck out 46 times and walked only 11.  Does that not sound the potential coming of Amed Rosario Part Deux?  Hell, in Rosario's defense, he SHREDDED it with Bingo while he was there...slashed .341/.392/.481.  And he was the same age as Gimenez is now. 

So why exactly are we supposed to be excited about HIM potentially displacing Rosario?  Like I said, his glove better be fvcking dynamite. 

And the Mets being the Mets they even flubbed a no-brainer benching of Rosario on Sunday when they tried to hide the fact it was a benching publicly yet told the Mets' radio guys it was.  Of course that was going to come out, it's as if they actively try to come off buffonish or just pandering to everyone.  It's such a no-brainer benching fans wouldn't even care about the bad optic of letting Cano slide for similar sh!t in this case.

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8 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

And of COURSE Wheeler heads to the IL just before the trade deadline.  Because why wouldn't he?! 

Didn't even hear about the injury per se, just saw Puma commenting on Twitter about how he'd only have one or two starts before the deadline to show he was healthy and well, I had pretty much the same reaction.

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9 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

And the Mets being the Mets they even flubbed a no-brainer benching of Rosario on Sunday when they tried to hide the fact it was a benching publicly yet told the Mets' radio guys it was.  Of course that was going to come out, it's as if they actively try to come off buffonish or just pandering to everyone.  It's such a no-brainer benching fans wouldn't even care about the bad optic of letting Cano slide for similar sh!t in this case.

I'm not sure I've seen a more incompetently-run franchise in MLB.  There's something almost WEEKLY with them.  They can't even get something right by accident. 

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Mets sent their top scout to go see Deivi Garcia’s debut tonight in Scranton. Deivi is the Yankees best (non-Martian) prospect and has been skyrocketing up the prospect lists lately; up to the top 50 in prospectus’ mid season rankings. 

The only way the Yankees let go of him is if it’s for Noah or deGrom. Maybe it isn’t entirely out of the realm of possibilities we see a Yankees mets trade. 

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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

Mets sent their top scout to go see Deivi Garcia’s debut tonight in Scranton. Deivi is the Yankees best (non-Martian) prospect and has been skyrocketing up the prospect lists lately; up to the top 50 in prospectus’ mid season rankings. 

The only way the Yankees let go of him is if it’s for Noah or deGrom. Maybe it isn’t entirely out of the realm of possibilities we see a Yankees mets trade. 

Interesting but yeah I don't see that happening unless it was some blockbuster for Thor.  Even then I'd be wary, I like the kid but Cashman's a wizard at giving up the guys that don't pan out and keeping the ones that do - Justus Sheffield being the latest example of one that didn't and they moved on from - so I'd be a little worried if he was willing to trade Garcia to us with how much he's been talked about.

And also in the Mets being Mets category, it figures suddenly Travis d'Arnaud found his bat in Tampa, and Hansel Robles of all people has become a solid closer for the Angels (!!!)

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Travis d’Arnaud is a one man wrecking crew now that he’s left the Mets. Three HR’s, all five RBI against the Yankees tonight. He’s also the first catcher to ever (EVER? EVER.) hit three HR’s in a game against the Yankees. 

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I immediately got very drunk and very sad. 

Terrible terrible terrible pitch selection. I don’t know who to blame, but the entire at bat it was obvious that D’arnoud wouldn’t catch up to a fastball. 

Hurr durr lets hang him a slider.

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No one can get on the Mets for moving on from d'Arnaud (Mets dealt with plenty of underperformance, inconsistency, and injuries, not to mention that he wound up becoming a terrible defensive catcher), but of course, the WAY they moved from him was beyond stupid.  Basically they're stuck paying him while he goes on a nice little hot burst with another team.  I don't kid myself that he had much in the way of trade value, but it's hard to imagine that the Mets couldn't have at least done something where they had finally gotten rid of him AND managed not to pay him almost $3 million.  But this is what happens when an owner thinks he's a baseball man and a GM, the agent masquerading as the GM thinks he can use fantasy-league tactics to bluster and bullsh!t his way into building a roster, and the pitching coach who clearly has no managerial ability is left out and about to continually embarrass himself every time he opens his yap.  At least I'm enjoying my summer...amazing how easy it is to do that when you don't invest yourself too much in this sh!tstorm.   

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On 7/15/2019 at 3:35 PM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Though no one's come out and said it outright...it looks like this organization has serious doubts about Rosario's future as a SS here.  We've heard the chatter about moving him to CF (?!), and we're hearing more and more about his lack of range at short...and of course there's his weak bat...don't be fooled by the uptick in his hitting numbers...he's still putting up an OPS+ of 92, which is below average (100).  He's young, but the general feeling is that he's not really showing much improvement in any particular aspect of his game. 

What sucks about this of course that the Mets have treated him like this fvcking untouchable for how many years now, and how he was a future star and one of the franchise's big-time prospects (and even if his bat would be a little iffy, he would still be a fielding monster).  What also sucks is that this is no longer a guy with a lot of trade value anymore...he doesn't do any one thing particularly well.

Supposedly the new fair-haired boy "SS of the future" is now 20-year-old Andres Gimenez, who's currently in AA.  I really hope HIS glove is up to snuff, because his offensive numbers sure as hell don't do much to wow.  In his last 49 GP with Bingo, he's slashing .231/.294/.330.  He's also struck out 46 times and walked only 11.  Does that not sound the potential coming of Amed Rosario Part Deux?  Hell, in Rosario's defense, he SHREDDED it with Bingo while he was there...slashed .341/.392/.481.  And he was the same age as Gimenez is now. 

So why exactly are we supposed to be excited about HIM potentially displacing Rosario?  Like I said, his glove better be fvcking dynamite. 

 

I'm still looking at Rosario and wondering what the hell did he ever do to be considered one of the top prospects IN BASEBALL. He's just so meh at everything. He's ok, he's decent at some things. He'll go through some nice stretches...then he'll sag into the 0.2 WAR guy that he is that we can upgrade over.

And Rosario still hasn't developed the eye at the plate that you'd want. His OBP is FINALLY over .300  but who knows how long that will last. Reyes at least learned how to walk. And yea I know of the whole "you don't walk off the island" stuff but Rosario just doesn't progress. He still chases outside crap. And now we're over 1000 at bats in

17 hours ago, MB3 said:

I immediately got very drunk and very sad. 

Terrible terrible terrible pitch selection. I don’t know who to blame, but the entire at bat it was obvious that D’arnoud wouldn’t catch up to a fastball. 

Hurr durr lets hang him a slider.

He loves that short porch in Yankee stadium

In past Mets/Yankees games I'm sure he's hit about 3 other home runs there before

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10 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

No one can get on the Mets for moving on from d'Arnaud (Mets dealt with plenty of underperformance, inconsistency, and injuries, not to mention that he wound up becoming a terrible defensive catcher), but of course, the WAY they moved from him was beyond stupid.  Basically they're stuck paying him while he goes on a nice little hot burst with another team.  I don't kid myself that he had much in the way of trade value, but it's hard to imagine that the Mets couldn't have at least done something where they had finally gotten rid of him AND managed not to pay him almost $3 million.  But this is what happens when an owner thinks he's a baseball man and a GM, the agent masquerading as the GM thinks he can use fantasy-league tactics to bluster and bullsh!t his way into building a roster, and the pitching coach who clearly has no managerial ability is left out and about to continually embarrass himself every time he opens his yap.  At least I'm enjoying my summer...amazing how easy it is to do that when you don't invest yourself too much in this sh!tstorm.   

Oh I agree, if anything they probably waited too long on d’Arnaud.... it’s just typical Mets that he leaves and starts producing. And yeah, obviously it’s not a surprise that the franchise that will be paying Bobby Bonilla until I’m eligible for Social Security managed to fvck up ridding themselves of an unproductive player.

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Other than a nice little run in 2016 Gsellman has been mostly trash in a Mets uniform.

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Mets stupidity rears its ugly head again in the 8th with a baserunning blunder.

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Pathetic clown Diaz took it to the wire but somehow, someway the Mets gut this out.

And get 5 shutout bullpen innings somehow, on the road against a team that's going to hit 6,000 home runs this year

 

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16 hours ago, '7' said:

I'm still looking at Rosario and wondering what the hell did he ever do to be considered one of the top prospects IN BASEBALL. He's just so meh at everything. He's ok, he's decent at some things. He'll go through some nice stretches...then he'll sag into the 0.2 WAR guy that he is that we can upgrade over.

And Rosario still hasn't developed the eye at the plate that you'd want. His OBP is FINALLY over .300  but who knows how long that will last. Reyes at least learned how to walk. And yea I know of the whole "you don't walk off the island" stuff but Rosario just doesn't progress. He still chases outside crap. And now we're over 1000 at bats in

He loves that short porch in Yankee stadium

In past Mets/Yankees games I'm sure he's hit about 3 other home runs there before

I never really expected all that much from Rosario as a hitter in the majors, even though he clearly looked good at times in the minors (AA in particular...hard to make a huge deal out of his Vegas numbers, for obvious reasons). 

But yeah, if you put much stock into WAR, he's now at 1.0 for his entire major-league career (291 GP).  What's frustrating is that it seems like the Mets just ignored his fielding shortcomings in the minors (which WERE apparent) and assumed he'd get better.  He hasn't.  And if you look at his fielding numbers, he actually appears to rank BELOW average in a number of them:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosaram01.shtml

No wonder we're starting to hear about Gimenez (whose bat appears to have even less life than Rosario's...some will say "Well Gimenez is young", but I've already made the direct AA comparison, and the 20-year-old Rosario ran circles around the 20-year-old Gimenez...it's not even close), and hearing about a position switch for Rosario.  Sadly, it's looking more and more like Rosario will be either be a poor man's starting SS at best (think bad team or stopgap, a guy who winds up playing for 6 or 7 teams for his career), or a backup by the time he's 26 or so. 

But yeah, seems more and more like the guy was wildly overhyped.  And apparently not capable of getting all that much better than he is right now.

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Mets send Wilmer Font to the Blue Jays for cash

I don't think he's all that good (nor is he young) but I don't know would've probably given him a bit of a longer look. We really can't afford to be punting any sort of bullpen guys. Still I doubt anything comes of him.

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Meh, I'm pretty indifferent to this.  Wasn't much there.  Guy allowed 8 HR in 31 IP here too. 

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Well hopefully this ends the creeping "Home Run Derby Ruined Alonso" argument. Puts one halfway up the 3rd deck in Minnesota.

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