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Seriously, fvck Cano.  

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Yea I'm thinking Doc needs a personal intervention at this point (not that one has never been tried before, but he's had periods of sober-hood) but right now he is not in control of his own life and needs to be placed...against his own will if need be...into a rehabilitation program by loved ones. It has to happen

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If you didn't see the Yankees game last night, watch the highlights. That was the best regular season game I've seen in my entire life, and that isn't hyperbole. 

  • Yankees down 8-2. Thanks to 3 in the 5th and 5 (!!!) in the 8th, the Yankees take a 9-8 lead. 
  • In the bottom of the 8th, just as I stopped celebrating, Sano hits a Britton pitch +/- 9 thousand feet. 10-9 twins.
  • Top of the 9th. 2 out. Nobody on. 0-2 count to Tauchman; who battles back and draws a walk. Next batter, Aaron Hicks does this.
  • Chapman comes in with an 12-11 lead. And he can't. Throw. A. Single. Strike. He WALKS THE BASES LOADED in like 15 pitches. 
  • Twins tie the game on a sac-fly, and get BABIPed to death to end the inning. 12-12 to extras. 
  • Yankees score two in the top of the 10th. 14-12, damn, maybe we got this. 
  • After a quick couple outs, OTTAVINO fvckING LOADS THE BASES. Chad Green comes in to face max kepler. 
  • Kepler absolutely ropes a ball into the gap. I mean, the thing was absolutely smoked. Even does a little bat-flip, because that's game, blouses. And Aaron Hicks does fvcking this.

I barely slept from the adrenaline. 

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Dear Noah,

God you’re such an overrated zilch.  You’ll never put it together consistently.  

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I’m sure it was nuts MB3, but my interest in baseball right now is kinda dead.  The Mets sucking isn’t helping of course, but I hate what the game has become, with the constant whiffs and juiced-ball HRs.  Guys refusing to adjust to shifts.  Guys who can’t be bothered to hustle or have no grasp of fundamentals.  Hockey can’t come soon enough.

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Wow, whatta shock that David Wright Part Deux struck out in a huge spot.  So predictable.  Conforto taking that loser torch from Wright and apparently ain’t letting go.  Mets gotta move on from him this offseason.  Conforto scares NO ONE...except the fans who can smell the K coming in key moments.  Loser.  

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Familia LOL...well done Brodie, well done.

oh, and to the two GM wannabes who think they’re baseball minds...how ‘bout putting players WHERE THEY BELONG IN THE FIELD?!

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Ok, I'm back with another trade proposal:

Yankees send: Clint Frazier, Johnathan Loisiga (#2 pitching prospect), Jacoby Ellsbury (1 year left at 21 million)

Mets Send: Noah Syndegaard, Robinson Cano (4 years left at 24 million per year).

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No to the above.  Frazier's got potential but he seems like a guy who's not going to get on base much and will strike out a ton (but does have power)...Sandy Alderson used to love stocking up on guys like him. 

Loisiga hasn't done very much above A+.  He's also hurt at the moment. 

I get that taking Cano off the Mets' hands counts for something, and I'm definitely not high on Syndergaard at the moment (I'm just tired of his being underwhelming far too often, and his inability to ever suppress hits), but I wouldn't feel great about making this deal if I'm the Mets. 

 

On another note, man do I feel for deGrom.  If he ever demanded a trade, I wouldn't blame him one bit.  Mets don't deserve him. 

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20 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Dear Noah,

God you’re such an overrated zilch.  You’ll never put it together consistently.  

If we had a real GM I might be aboard the trade him bandwagon.  Even a guy like Omar (granted he's actually IN the organization again) I'd trust making decisions on bringing in prospects.  As it is, it seems like what I've suspected since this winter is becoming true - the Mets really are actively looking to deal him

 

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That’s the rub Has...I don’t trust Brodie to make ANY deals from this point on.  And I’m sure rival GMs are licking their chops for the opportunity to make BVW looks even worse than he’s already been.

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.@Joelsherman1 suggests the #Mets are hesitant to deal Syndergaard or Diaz to teams like the #Yankees or #Astros because they're more advanced analytically, and they could "flourish" for those teams.

i mean jesus christ

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2 hours ago, MB3 said:

.@Joelsherman1 suggests the #Mets are hesitant to deal Syndergaard or Diaz to teams like the #Yankees or #Astros because they're more advanced analytically, and they could "flourish" for those teams.

i mean jesus christ

Or once you filter this through the BS-to-English dictionary:

BVW and his pal Jeffy will likely get fleeced by teams who know what the hell they're doing and sadly I think they kinda know it...that, and of course pitchers have a chance to "flourish" for other teams, because quite a few other teams do this kooky thing called "Playing players IN POSITION".  But BVW & Jeffy are clearly afraid of looking even dumber than they already do...which after the offseason those two have had, isn't really possible. 

The above being said, though I don't hold YOU guilty of this (as you try to suggest deals that are at least within the ballpark of reasonable), this is the time of year when a large contingent of Yankee fans become their most insufferable...where because Cashman rarely seems to come up with good enough starting pitching, that Yankee fan entitlement starts to spread like the plague, and 80% of their fans begin to suggest trades for someone else's elite starting pitcher, and of course in doing so want to deal off 3-5 of their spare parts for a guy like deGrom.  They forever think the rest of MLB is just dying to help the Yankees win yet another World Series.  I do think Cashman has done a good job in keeping this thing going (it does help when you're rarely crippled by bad signings...that franchise doesn't allow themselves to ever be hamstrung by bad contracts, and good for them, they put their money into their product...no one can ever accuse the Yankees of not trying, because they ALWAYS do). 

Though I'm obviously not a Francesa guy, I did listen to him actually shout down a Yankee fan yesterday who didn't want to give up anything of significance for Syndergaard.  It's like I've said in previous posts...the Mets CANNOT let themselves make a bad deal with the Yankees, especially now...they are pretty much out of credibility as a franchise now...the GM is a fvcking player agent with no experience, one of the owners continues to think he's a baseball man and insists on being involved in matters that he has NO business meddling in, and the manager is a complete dope who doesn't appear to be respected by anyone.  The only way it can get worse at this point would be to make a deal with the Yankees where they don't make the Yanks pay a premium, the guys they get back clearly weren't enough to begin with, and the guy they give up pitches with a lot of success across town.  It's one thing to be the Yanks' lil' brother...that comes with the territory of being a Met fan, mostly because the franchise is run horribly and incompetently.  But the scenario I just described would basically have the Mets seen as completely minor-league.  That can't happen. 

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That’s stupid even by Met standards. I get caring about Thor thriving for the Yankees but why the hell would they care if Houston got the best out of him?  It’s not like either team is a direct competitor anyway, certainly not Houston.

But yeah sadly I do agree the Yankees and Houston would fleece us in part cause they do know their sh!t.

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1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

That’s stupid even by Met standards. I get caring about Thor thriving for the Yankees but why the hell would they care if Houston got the best out of him?  It’s not like either team is a direct competitor anyway, certainly not Houston.

But yeah sadly I do agree the Yankees and Houston would fleece us in part cause they do know their sh!t.

I think the Mets aren’t worried about a former player “flourishing” as much as they are about making a bad trade.  BVW's big "blockbuster" disaster has them scared sh!tless to make another deal (or has the Mets scared to let BVW make any big deals at the moment).  The “flourish” crap is a weak attempt to deflect.  

But what a fvcking mess...Jesus, if the idea of BVW making a move is that terrifying, then can him, make Omar the interim GM through the end of the year, and bring in a real GM next season.  One who’s not a former salesman and player agent.

 

And if the Mets are THAT nervous about BVW's ability to make deals now, then I'm sorry, end this sh!tshow RIGHT NOW.  Don't even try to sell me BVW will figure things out by season's end, and then suddenly have freedom again to make moves...does anyone really believe that BVW will suddenly become that much smarter of a GM between now and the offseason? 

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Great post CR. I used to frequent a Yankees forum and I just can't any more. Seems like everyone on that forum was a WFAN-type caller; believing -- like you said -- that the rest of baseball is ready and willing to spread their cheeks for Cashman simply because "we're the Yankees."

I think Cashman gets (and deserves) a ton of flack for his inability to acquire top-of-the-rotation pitchers via trade. If you look at the Yankees history of acquiring pitchers at the deadline it's got some wildly underwhelming results. There was the prospect-hugging that hurt (decided against Cliff Lee because they didn't want to trade Andrew Brackman), there was the 'meh, who cares' moves (JA 'it's pronounced Jay' Happ and Lance Lynn.) And when he did pull the trigger on getting rid of a few prospects, like the case with Sonny Gray, it was just something that didn't work.

(Editor's note: we've also gotten lucky. Yankees offered Dellin Betances, Gary Sanchez, and Luis Severino to the Phillies for Cole Hamels. Phillies wanted Banuelos instead, and the Yankees said no. So... phew.)

Regardless, it's scary times in Yankee land. Best record in baseball? Yep. But we don't have a single starter with an ERA below 5. Zero. Zilch. Guys like Tanaka are either spectacular (to the tune of CGSO spectacular) or absolutely miserable (in 2 starts against the red sox, he has a combined 1.1 IP and 13ER). Guys like Paxton can't get out of the first inning (10.74 ERA) , and you're spending 3 hours watching the team try to climb back from a 4-0 hole. 

I'll go on the record saying that if the Yankees don't acquire a Syndergaard or Bauer type ~#2 pitcher, this is going to be a very bitter and short offseason. 

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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

Great post CR. I used to frequent a Yankees forum and I just can't any more. Seems like everyone on that forum was a WFAN-type caller; believing -- like you said -- that the rest of baseball is ready and willing to spread their cheeks for Cashman simply because "we're the Yankees."

I think Cashman gets (and deserves) a ton of flack for his inability to acquire top-of-the-rotation pitchers via trade. If you look at the Yankees history of acquiring pitchers at the deadline it's got some wildly underwhelming results. There was the prospect-hugging that hurt (decided against Cliff Lee because they didn't want to trade Andrew Brackman), there was the 'meh, who cares' moves (JA 'it's pronounced Jay' Happ and Lance Lynn.) And when he did pull the trigger on getting rid of a few prospects, like the case with Sonny Gray, it was just something that didn't work.

(Editor's note: we've also gotten lucky. Yankees offered Dellin Betances, Gary Sanchez, and Luis Severino to the Phillies for Cole Hamels. Phillies wanted Banuelos instead, and the Yankees said no. So... phew.)

Regardless, it's scary times in Yankee land. Best record in baseball? Yep. But we don't have a single starter with an ERA below 5. Zero. Zilch. Guys like Tanaka are either spectacular (to the tune of CGSO spectacular) or absolutely miserable (in 2 starts against the red sox, he has a combined 1.1 IP and 13ER). Guys like Paxton can't get out of the first inning (10.74 ERA) , and you're spending 3 hours watching the team try to climb back from a 4-0 hole. 

I'll go on the record saying that if the Yankees don't acquire a Syndergaard or Bauer type ~#2 pitcher, this is going to be a very bitter and short offseason. 

Re: the bolded, you meant "ERA below 4"...four of the Yankee starters are below 5.00, but yeah, obviously reasons for concern...Tanaka's season ERA has soared from 3.21 to 4.79 over his last 5 starts, though it's obviously his last start that really blows up the sample. 

Not sure anyone not named deGrom in the Mets' rotation would be much of an upgrade over what the Yanks currently have.  Syndergaard just gives up too many hits, and his control has not been as terrific as it once was...in Syndergaard's last 311.1 IP, he's allowed 301 hits...and this season, just about every time he turns in a "Finally, there he is!" kind of outing, he follows it up with a lot of meh-ness:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=syndeno01&t=p&year=2019

Check out his run of starts just after one of his truly dominating performances.  They're usually very mixed-bag. 

Big strength for the Yanks of course is their BP, though one has to wonder how much longer Chapman, Britton, and Ottovino will continue to get away with walking guys. 

And yeah, you can get on Cashman for not getting enough good starting pitching...sure, true top-of-the-rotation guys are hard to find (and keep in mind that deGrom was originally ranked behind Syndergaard and friggin' RAFAEL MONTERO as they were all coming up through the system...sometimes guys like deGrom wildly surpass expectations), but you'd think Cashman would've done better than he has in this regard.  One aspect that makes it difficult for Cashman is not knowing how some guys will handle NY until they're thrown into it.  For every CC and El Duque that can handle the spotlight just fine, you have your Ed Whitsons, Steve Trouts and Jeff Weavers.  And sometimes it's hard to tell until they're here. 

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8 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Re: the bolded, you meant "ERA below 4"...four of the Yankee starters are below 5.00, but yeah, obviously reasons for concern...Tanaka's season ERA has soared from 3.21 to 4.79 over his last 5 starts, though it's obviously his last start that really blows up the sample. 

Not sure anyone not named deGrom in the Mets' rotation would be much of an upgrade over what the Yanks currently have.  Syndergaard just gives up too many hits, and his control has not been as terrific as it once was...in Syndergaard's last 311.1 IP, he's allowed 301 hits...and this season, just about every time he turns in a "Finally, there he is!" kind of outing, he follows it up with a lot of meh-ness:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=syndeno01&t=p&year=2019

Check out his run of starts just after one of his truly dominating performances.  They're usually very mixed-bag. 

Big strength for the Yanks of course is their BP, though one has to wonder how much longer Chapman, Britton, and Ottovino will continue to get away with walking guys. 

And yeah, you can get on Cashman for not getting enough good starting pitching...sure, true top-of-the-rotation guys are hard to find (and keep in mind that deGrom was originally ranked behind Syndergaard and friggin' RAFAEL MONTERO as they were all coming up through the system...sometimes guys like deGrom wildly surpass expectations), but you'd think Cashman would've done better than he has in this regard.  One aspect that makes it difficult for Cashman is not knowing how some guys will handle NY until they're thrown into it.  For every CC and El Duque that can handle the spotlight just fine, you have your Ed Whitsons, Steve Trouts and Jeff Weavers.  And sometimes it's hard to tell until they're here. 

I did mean below 4, yes. Whoops. 

I'll be honest, his bbref page makes me drool. I can't remember the last time a yankee pitcher went 3 consecutive games of 7.0IP. Maybe maybe Severino in the first half of last season? 

Luckily with the Yankees bullpen, reinforcements are on the way. Betances has been one of the absolute best set-up men in the sport for 3 years now, and he'll be ready to go in a few weeks. Finally making throws from 90 feet. And we should see Severino back before the playoffs, hopefully in time to stretch him out. 

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need two pitchers like some fans are saying. I'm perfectly content with a 4-man playoff rotation of Severino, [trade], Paxton, Tanaka. CC can take the long-relief / mop-up role, German might be nasty in the pen. Happ can go fvck off somewhere else. 2009 yankees actually just went with a 3-man rotation, with CC Burnett and Pettite. And even though Burnett and Pettite were hit or miss (probably worse than this year's squad), CC was a true and dominant ace. 

Every day I think about the fact that we got McCann and Beltran instead of Scherzer in free agency. 

Every day I stray further from God's grace. 

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Part of Syndergaard (and Mets starters in general) being asked to go deeper into games has to do with the Mets BP being a complete catastrophe.  Noah would probably be able to go 6 most nights as a Yankee, give up 3 or 4 runs, and still have a solid chance to win.  The Yankee pen can hold teams, and the Yankee offense is plenty dangerous when it's cranking. 

Noah's had an odd year...if you look at how he's pitched from May on, his numbers look pretty good at quick-glance:  14 starts, 92.2 IP, 84 H, 37 ER, 9 HR, 26 BB, 87 K, 3.59 ERA, 6-2 record (Mets went 8-6 in those games)...yeah, I can see why a lot of fans would want their teams to get a guy like that, especially if they don't watch him pitch as much as Mets fans do.  But all I can say is he hasn't looked nearly as good as those numbers seem to suggest.  Something's missing...with Noah, so many nights it seems like something's just a tad off.  And he's never really become a pitcher...watch deGrom, and THAT'S a guy who's a pitcher.  Noah's a thrower.  Maybe he needs to go somewhere else with a firmly entrenched pitching coach to get through to him.  He's gone from Dan Warthen to Dave Eiland to the Cryptkeeper (the 82-year-old current PC of the Mets whose name I don't even remember right now) in a fairly short period of time...he could probably use a guy like Leo Mazzone or Dave Duncan at this point. 

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4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Part of Syndergaard (and Mets starters in general) being asked to go deeper into games has to do with the Mets BP being a complete catastrophe.  Noah would probably be able to go 6 most nights as a Yankee, give up 3 or 4 runs, and still have a solid chance to win.  The Yankee pen can hold teams, and the Yankee offense is plenty dangerous when it's cranking. 

Noah's had an odd year...if you look at how he's pitched from May on, his numbers look pretty good at quick-glance:  14 starts, 92.2 IP, 84 H, 37 ER, 9 HR, 26 BB, 87 K, 3.59 ERA, 6-2 record (Mets went 8-6 in those games)...yeah, I can see why a lot of fans would want their teams to get a guy like that, especially if they don't watch him pitch as much as Mets fans do.  But all I can say is he hasn't looked nearly as good as those numbers seem to suggest.  Something's missing...with Noah, so many nights it seems like something's just a tad off.  And he's never really become a pitcher...watch deGrom, and THAT'S a guy who's a pitcher.  Noah's a thrower.  Maybe he needs to go somewhere else with a firmly entrenched pitching coach to get through to him.  He's gone from Dan Warthen to Dave Eiland to the Cryptkeeper (the 82-year-old current PC of the Mets whose name I don't even remember right now) in a fairly short period of time...he could probably use a guy like Leo Mazzone or Dave Duncan at this point. 

Thing with Noah is that does he have the cerebral makeup to become anything other than a thrower? I'm not saying he's an idiot but along with the pitching coach...I think he could use a smart catcher who calls a good game behind the plate. Someone he can trust and think for him at times

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Suffice it to say with Paxton now getting rocked, that I’m sure there’s some serious panic going on in Yankeeland.  The question is how stiff of a price is Cashman willing to pay to bring in a starter?  Also hurts them that there’s not that second deadline anymore.  The time is now for them.

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So now the latest scuttlebutt is the Mets trying to trade Thor, then turning around and trading pieces in that deal for Stroman.  I mean I'm actually not averse to Stroman but I'm not sure how likely it is he re-signs either since he's up for FA a year earlier than Thor, and it seems like we're gonna get too cute for the sake of BUT WE GOTTA COMPETE IN 2020!

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2 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

So now the latest scuttlebutt is the Mets trying to trade Thor, then turning around and trading pieces in that deal for Stroman.  I mean I'm actually not averse to Stroman but I'm not sure how likely it is he re-signs either since he's up for FA a year earlier than Thor, and it seems like we're gonna get too cute for the sake of BUT WE GOTTA COMPETE IN 2020!

I'd be fine with that. I mean Stroman in this insane hitters environment to be putting up the numbers he has is impressive...but yea I doubt he signs here. This whole thing seems like far too ambitious an endeavor for the Mets

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And how typical is this. Go up 6-0 and the Mets don't even try the rest of the game. Because 6-0 in inning 1 means game over. 

Of course the Pirates are now chipping away. A game that we should've been up 12-2 is now competitive

I don't care what stats they run up there for Vargas he is such smoke and mirrors. I will never trust him or feel comfortable with him on the mound, but at least he's not the 8 era clown he was when we first brought him here.

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Impossible to trust Diaz right now...good lord.

Mets somehow 10-4 in their last 14, even with many of their usual faults often on full display.  Can’t help but wonder if “Right Now” BVW suddenly decides that his Mets are in it again, and decides that even if he’s not necessarily a buyer, he won’t be a seller either.  

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