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It really is next to impossible. They’re not just 5.5 back but behind a million other teams.   They’ve gone 10-5 since the break and made up one lousy game. We saw this phenomenon toward the end of the Devils illusory 2011 surge when they could never get closer than six points despite still winning in early March. If they are going to insist on throwing out the illusion of contending at least get something with a pulse to help the garbage pen, because they actually would be in a contender role if the entire pen wasn’t a dumpster fire of biblical proportions.

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They have the weakest remaining strength of schedule in the national league aside from the dodgers. 7 more against the Marlins. a series against the white Sox and the royals. 

If the Mets finish 35-22, they’re at a roughly 48% chance of making the playoffs. 

I think it’s next to impossible that they’ll get through the Dodgers and whoever comes out of the AL; but that’s too strong a word for the Mets playoff chances alone.

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So apparently Vargas about to be traded.  Meh whatever...they had to clear out one of the pitchers one way or another.  But dealing off Vargas for presumably nothing might be a tell they aren't actually trading Thor or Wheeler.

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LOL well at least this ends the illusion of 'win-now' if you're dealing Vargas off to a division team in front of you

And for an organizational return AA catcher...yep a why bother return.  Might as well have traded Wheeler for an actual something.

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=664866#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL

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I don't know if this Vargas trade is indicative of anything. He's smoke and mirrored it long enough to gain some value back, now they can pawn him off somewhere for whatever they can get for him. Probably next to nothing

This doesn't guarantee anything for Wheeler or Syndergaard. This team needs to much (especially in the pen) and perhaps young arms for the farm to replace Kay (and maybe a catching prospect who can actually throw a runner out at 2nd) that W & S cannot get comfortable. I'm don't think both are going...but I sense one still may be.

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LOL I'd actually be fine with Diaz going, but if the Mets get much less than what they gave up in that silly trade prospect-wise Brodie's going to look like an even bigger fool

 

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35 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

LOL well at least this ends the illusion of 'win-now' if you're dealing Vargas off to a division team in front of you

And for an organizational return AA catcher...yep a why bother return.  Might as well have traded Wheeler for an actual something.

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=664866#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL

Yeah, that’s about as “body for a bag of balls” as it gets.  Not saying Vargas was ever a sexy asset, but like you said, basically got nothing for him.  

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5 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

And of course this guy was a teammate of Jeffy's son in college.

So Meddlin’ Jeffy is at it again.  Same ol Wilponzi Mets.

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Didn’t Vargas have the best peripherals on the team besides deGrom?

its so confusing. This is a management that refused to deal with the Yankees even when they offer the best package (jay Bruce comes to mind).... so if you’re only 4.5 games back and trying to sell the fans on a march to the playoffs, why give a division rival who’s directly in front of you a starting pitcher they so desperately need?

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LOL...putting the guy in trade rumors every day since winter caused tension?  Shocking, I know

 

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4 hours ago, MB3 said:

Didn’t Vargas have the best peripherals on the team besides deGrom?

its so confusing. This is a management that refused to deal with the Yankees even when they offer the best package (jay Bruce comes to mind).... so if you’re only 4.5 games back and trying to sell the fans on a march to the playoffs, why give a division rival who’s directly in front of you a starting pitcher they so desperately need?

Apparently the Phils threw in $2.9 million into the deal...that explains getting so little in return otherwise.  Vargas also has a 4.71 FIP...in general I think we’ve been trying to figure out exactly how he’s been having such a respectable season to date, but he’s often been erratic throughout his career.  I don’t want to imply that there was much intelligence involved with this deal, but I guess there’s a chance that BVW thinks that better that Vargas’ almost inevitable regression comes with the Phillies than his own team.

4 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

LOL...putting the guy in trade rumors every day since winter caused tension?  Shocking, I know

 

That Twitter post kinda sums Noah up.  Guy seems like he’s more interested in being a cartoon character than he is in becoming an actual pitcher.  He’s truly embraced this “Thor” crap way too tightly.  

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I kind of understand his point at how a 2nd straight season having your name kicked around at the deadline isn't fun, but you know this year he's partially to blame for it, and in previous years he's shown some immaturity and plenty of frustrating periods where it seems like his growth as a true pitcher has been stunted. You're big tough Thor...but you're also making instagram posts about how your feelings are hurt and it's such an emotional rollercoaster. Give me a break

So far so good this game though. Let's hope he keeps it up. We should beat up on the White Sox.

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So the two biggest targets, Stroman and Bauer, go to two non-playoff NL teams. 

bro I am straight up not havin a good time 

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7 minutes ago, MB3 said:

So the two biggest targets, Stroman and Bauer, go to two non-playoff NL teams. 

bro I am straight up not havin a good time 

This makes the Mets-Stroman deal look normal by comparison.  I legit don't know what two of the teams (SD and Cinci) in the deal are doing.  The Indians shockingly came out looking great when they would have been criticized dealing Bauer under normal circumstances.  Cinci dealing their top prospect and Puig for an extra year of Bauer is puzzling, not like Bauer helps them contend THIS year.  SD dealing a starting outfielder on a 35-HR pace and a prospect for another prospect is also head-scratching.

And to add even more farce there was a benches-clearing brawl in Cinci where Puig went nuts...could you imagine if he somehow got hurt in that fight?  It would have been even worse than leaving Wilmer in to cry after he got traded.

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Can't leave a small country on the basepaths against a sh!t team. When you're the Mets it will come back to bite you 100% of the time

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Cano hits 3 home runs and promptly stops trying completely

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Diaz really needs to go.

Some people just outright don't have the backbone to pitch in NY. Diaz is one of those people. He's scared on the mound. Outright terrified

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You cannot have this level of gutlessness on the team. Edwin Diaz is gutless. And everybody knows it and everybody sees it. He is a BORN LOSER

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Looks like Noah may be staying now...he said that he thinks he’s staying put.  Would be nice to see him finally get on a real roll, but I’ve seen him be Meh far too often to now be convinced that he’s going to go on a tear.

Yeah, Diaz might simply be one of those guys that can’t handle NY.  But not like there’s a legit closing candidate in the system waiting to take his spot.

Great for the Mets that they’re suddenly within sniffing distance of .500, but man do they have a LONG way to go.  If they can get to 5+ games over .500 with 5 weeks or so left in the season, then maybe I’ll start to let myself dream about the impossible.  But not until then. 

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Well it would be goofy even by Met standards to pitch Thor last night if a deal was actually close although like someone pointed out on NYFS, maybe Brodie just wanted to pitch him to tempt deadline offers even more which would actually make sense in Brodie's stupid contrarian world.

I'm caught in between wanting to trade Diaz and preparing to roll my eyes when we take 50 cents on the dollar just months after dealing two of our best prospects for him.  It does seem like he can't pitch in NY but it's not like the stuff isn't there, he still has 63 K's in 41 IP.

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So apparently this deadline's gonna be one big eyeroll...put Thor and Diaz on the block for nothing, have the price at Wheeler be so high nobody else is even bothering, don't even put Frazier on the block.  Typical Mets, stand pat and play for win-now five games out of the second WC without actually TRYING to win-now by adding another pen piece.

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Yeah, if you’re in win now mode, then address your main weakness.  God this franchise is fvcked up.  

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Better rev up those antidepressants because I sure am ready to kill myself.

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36 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Better rev up those antidepressants because I sure am ready to kill myself.

Can't say I blame you tbh...I said this on another board, I like Cashman as an outsider (not to mention him being an actual Devils fan) but if I were a Yankee fan I'd be LIVID today after seeing the Astros get Greinke, Sanchez and Biangini while they only get some faceless minor leaguer.  In a lot of ways Cashman is a slave to never going a cent above market value for a trade.

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