SterioDesign Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: And one of those guys is McLeod, a first-round pick of THIS regime who looks like utter crap. Even in the AHL he's only had six goals all season in 60 games. They have plenty of younger guys either playing now or who've been in the lineup already who are supposed to be part of the solution at some point and very few of them have even come close to impressing. I'd have liked to have seen Bastian get more of a shot but he went into the injury black hole as soon as he got here. Rooney's been fine for what he is, so has Agostino but at best you're talking about a fourth and third-line tweener. We knew at that draft that once Jost was picked that there was a huge drop of talent and that we wouldnt be getting much. I remember not being excited at all with McLeod when we picked him. A few players like McAvoy and Chychrun became pretty good players but at the draft they were not much of a big deal. Boston was actually ridiculed for trading for all those first round picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 i just ran a lottery emulation 50 times... we got first pick 5 times... 2nd pick 6 times and 3rd pick once.... This is scary as hell. so 38 times we were picking 4th or lower. brrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: And one of those guys is McLeod, a first-round pick of THIS regime who looks like utter crap. Even in the AHL he's only had six goals all season in 60 games. They have plenty of younger guys either playing now or who've been in the lineup already who are supposed to be part of the solution at some point and very few of them have even come close to impressing. I'd have liked to have seen Bastian get more of a shot but he went into the injury black hole as soon as he got here. Rooney's been fine for what he is, so has Agostino but at best you're talking about a fourth and third-line tweener. But keep in mind McLeod is playing with third/fourth line guys who are AHL-level. The games don’t count and this is his first time in the league. Some patience would be in order with him. Edited March 30, 2019 by devlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, devlman said: But keep in mind McLeod is playing with third/fourth line guys who are AHL-level. The games don’t count and this is his first time in the league. Some patience would be in order with him. yeah but McLeod was also barely playing with a very average team canada junior. He's simply not that big of a deal at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, SterioDesign said: i just ran a lottery emulation 50 times... we got first pick 5 times... 2nd pick 6 times and 3rd pick once.... This is scary as hell. so 38 times we were picking 4th or lower. brrrrr I figured I'd do the same think you did - run the simulator (on tankathon) 50 times to get the total to 100. I got 7 1st overall, 6 2nd overall & 4 3rd overall. For some odd reason, when I hit reset in between, we get 1/2/3 more often than when I just hit SIM Lottery. Probably coincidence. Anyway, NJD odds at #3 are at 33.9% for a top 3 & 11.5% for 1st overall so these sims we ran are close: 29/100 for top 3 & 12/100 for 1st overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Taylor "Lottery Draft Expert" Hall better work his magic again 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I clicked sim lottery once on Tankathon and this beauty came up. I'm done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 i got NJ on the opening page too lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) It took me 6 times to get NJ at #1. The first time I did it, Montreal was first. With 90 points?? Edited March 30, 2019 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, SterioDesign said: yeah but McLeod was also barely playing with a very average team canada junior. He's simply not that big of a deal at all He’s looked good with Binghamton this year so I don’t agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I get the argument of not being all in for the tank, but the lineup last night really is not the future of this team. The future of our team is: Hall, Hischier, Palmieri, Bratt, Zacha, Coleman, Boqvist, Talvitie, Anderson, Blackwood, Smith, Walsh, Severson, Davies, Yakovlev. This is a good mix of current NHL players and promising prospects - everything from high end talent to mid-level players. Putting the team in the best position to get a real game changer like Hughes or Kakko could transform this team from having a decent first line and below average second line to having a really strong top 6. And if we don't win the draft lottery, being in a position where someone like Byram is likely to be available would push this team in the right direction. The recent lineups that have included Gabriel, Noesen, Rooney, Stafford, Carrick, Agostino, etc. - these are not the guys to be excited about. They're not part of the solution, and are just fill in pieces for when the team gets healthy and the younger players develop. If we were icing a team filled with players like Talvitie, Boqvist, and Walsh, then it would make more sense to feel discouraged about the next several years. I also agree about McLeod not being someone we should depend on to be part of the solution. I don't think he has proven very much on any level that would suggest he's a top 6 center in the NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 YUP, We need a top 2 pick here to push this rebuild towards completion Ty has to be the real deal as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, SterioDesign said: Well that's all a result of the past management unwilling to accept reality and still played all their cards all-in and refusing to look at the future. Settling for a few extra very mediocre years with dellusions of mayyyybe being competitive, totally destroying our future. Plus Lou not willing to do annything about Conte and his terrible drafting approach and results over god knows how long You reap what you sow. And for the fans who were supporting that approach years ago well... this is the result of a few "feel good" extra wins. I nominate this for Post of the Year. Edited March 31, 2019 by slasher72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Kings won in OT tonight. Only a point behind us. We have 3 games to go, they have 4. Kings schedule is home vs Calgary, at Arizona, at Anaheim, home vs Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Satans Hockey said: Kings won in OT tonight. Only a point behind us. We have 3 games to go, they have 4. Kings schedule is home vs Calgary, at Arizona, at Anaheim, home vs Vegas. Shoulda pulled Cory to have saved us from the loser point 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 It won't quote on my phone but whatever - McLeod not being a big piece of the future is all the more reason why losing a lot this season was so important. First, it illustrates how important it is to pick high - yes, there's some excellent players selected after McLeod but there's also a lot of misses. Meanwhile most of the top 10 are already established NHLers. Second, the Devils need another impact player. They're going to pick no worse than 7th so the odds are much better of getting one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) On 3/30/2019 at 12:09 PM, SterioDesign said: We knew at that draft that once Jost was picked that there was a huge drop of talent and that we wouldnt be getting much. I remember not being excited at all with McLeod when we picked him. A few players like McAvoy and Chychrun became pretty good players but at the draft they were not much of a big deal. Boston was actually ridiculed for trading for all those first round picks Yeah, I seem to remember that Jost and Keller were the exciting names that were predicted to hopefully be around when we picked. Unfortunately it was Chychrun that fell which kind of left us with him, Logan Brown and McLeod as the logical choices at that spot. We hadn’t made the Hall deal yet so there was a perceived glut at D at the time plus Chychrun was dropping like a stone. I guess the management team decided McLeods speed fit our rebuild better than browns height, plus they got a 3rd from Ottawa. Not going to kill them for that pick. Bratt and Bastian seem like they’ll give us good production from that draft. The ones that hurt are picking Zacha when you’re basically picking between him, Ratanen, and Barzal (three names I saw most associated with our pick at the time) or if we had taken Patrick instead of Nico. How bad is Boston kicking themselves for reaching on their three picks in 2015 instead of picking the three census highest rated guys at those spots? That’s where you kill the scouts. Edited March 31, 2019 by Lateralous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lateralous said: Bratt and Bastian seem like they’ll give us good production from that draft. A little early to say that about either one in my opinion, although you can make the argument for Bratt. Bastian played 4 games. I’m not willing to say anything about him, one way or the other, after 4 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: A little early to say that about either one in my opinion, although you can make the argument for Bratt. Bastian played 4 games. I’m not willing to say anything about him, one way or the other, after 4 games. I agree that it’s too early to form an opinion on Bastian- although what’s nice is that in those four games, he looked like he belonged, and thats definitely a positive. Edited March 31, 2019 by MadDog2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I don’t think it’s too early at all wrt Bratt. He’s legit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, Nicomo said: I don’t think it’s too early at all wrt Bratt. He’s legit. He burned out early last year and then was invisible for a long stretch this year. Is 8G, 25A in 51 games “good production”, or enough for me to say he’s going to give us “good production” going forward? I guess so, you’re likely right. I was more talking about Bastian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: He burned out early last year and then was invisible for a long stretch this year. Is 8G, 25A in 51 games “good production”, or enough for me to say he’s going to give us “good production” going forward? I guess so, you’re likely right. 68 points in 125 GP is pretty good production for a young player on a terrible team. Let’s also remember he’s been forced to play with guys like Zacha and MoJo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 50 minutes ago, Nicomo said: 68 points in 125 GP is pretty good production for a young player on a terrible team. Let’s also remember he’s been forced to play with guys like Zacha and MoJo... I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m saying I’m not sure it’s a big enough sample size. But as I mentioned in my previous post, it probably is and you are probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, mfitz804 said: A little early to say that about either one in my opinion, although you can make the argument for Bratt. Bastian played 4 games. I’m not willing to say anything about him, one way or the other, after 4 games. Yeah, I should clarify, I’m thinking Bastian looks like he can be a depth contributor but yes, way too early for me to make that call. Between Bastian and McLeod, I figure one of them should at least give us a decent contribution in the bottom 6 for a few years. Bratt is the prize of the draft for us and I think he’s shown a lot in two years but needs to become way more consistent. Talent is there Edited April 1, 2019 by Lateralous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Detroit beating Boston was huge. Detroit and Buffalo at 72 now and with us at 68 and all having 3 games to go we would most likely have to win out to pass either since we can only max out at 74. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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