Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Our only 1 way player is Miles Wood, and that one way is directly into the opposing goalie. Nah, we have a few, Bratt, Gusev... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nicomo said: I still think he’s more comparable to another Red Wing great more than Zetterberg, and that’s Pavel Datsyuk. But he doesn’t...anyone that watches him night after night knows he doesn’t. Well i just remember that before the draft that was the comparison that was made. And that's what made me decide on if i was team Nico or team Nolan. They said Nico was a Zetterberg and that Nolan was Eric Staal. I'd pick Zetterberg all day. But to your point.. its the same thing cause Datsyuk was drafted in 1998 and played his first season in 2001 and had 35 points as a rookie. So same thing really. Nico is doing better than they were at the same age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: Fwiw I still take Nico. Id rather Nico's 200 ft game to Petterson. The only guy I'd rather have is maybe Aho and I don't think he was in that draft. Aho was drafted in 2015, not 17. Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar were both in Nico’s draft though...but I’m extremely happy with the Nico pick. He’s never going to be the flashiest player in the world but what he is is just consistently good game after game. Ofc it would be nice to see big numbers some day but his overall game is extremely underrated. Even among most of our own fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nicomo said: But he doesn’t...anyone that watches him night after night knows he doesn’t. Cool didn't realize it can't happen at any point going forward. I'll go with it remains a pretty good possibility. Hopefully it doesn't. I would prefer we weren't so small or worse yet didn't play so soft. - signed, Someone Who Watches - but wonders why Edited December 13, 2019 by titans04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, titans04 said: Cool didn't realize it can't happen at any point going forward. I'll go with it remains a pretty good possibility. - signed, Someone Who Watches Well let’s see...if he’s not getting knocked around now at 20, does it really stand to reason he’ll start to in his mid 20’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Im just tired of getting the top pick wrong. Seems we get amazing luck in the lottery, then end up taking the second or third best guy. Pettersson in Vancouver is a dynamic offensive specialist who has dramatically changed their entire team. Hischier is mediocre at best this year We pass up a beast of a defenseman for a mini mite centre who could be good 5 years from now Just kind of depressing Who’s this beast of dman your upset we took Hughes over? you can’t possibly be calling Nico a mini mite? He’s 6’1” ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Aho was drafted in 2015, not 17. Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar were both in Nico’s draft though...but I’m extremely happy with the Nico pick. He’s never going to be the flashiest player in the world but what he is is just consistently good game after game. Ofc it would be nice to see big numbers some day but his overall game is extremely underrated. Even among most of our own fans. You make the best decision based on the info you have at the time. I've never seen a team pick way off the board when they are 1 and 2. I am not sure why Rob is upset if the team picked based on the best knowledge everyone at the time. It's just sour grapes at not being able to tell the future and it's a stupid thing to be mad about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, NJDevils1214 said: You make the best decision based on the info you have at the time. I've never seen a team pick way off the board when they are 1 and 2. I am not sure why Rob is upset if the team picked based on the best knowledge everyone at the time. It's just sour grapes at not being able to tell the future and it's a stupid thing to be mad about. Yep. The idea that not picking 1st somehow gives you a better chance at the best player is ludicrous. The Devils have a lot of problems right now, but Nico Hischier is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Daniel said: I don't think it's a question that right now you take Pettersson every time over Nico. Still, it's quite possible that in a few years, with a more stable team and with better coaches, Nico's offensive game will really take off, and he'll be the better all around player. From your lips to God's ears. We need Nico to be better than a 50pt guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Devilsfan118 said: From your lips to God's ears. We need Nico to be better than a 50pt guy. We also need goaltending above.900% and defensemen who look like they belong in the NHL. If Nico had 25-30 points right now would we still not be a really bad team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Nicomo said: We also need goaltending above.900% and defensemen who look like they belong in the NHL. If Nico had 25-30 points right now would we still not be a really bad team? Assuming those points wouldn't be at the expense of someone else, yes, the team would be better. You're talking about at least eight more goals the team would have scored under such a scenario, maybe more considering that the team is not scoring a lot of empty net goals. You'd also be more confident for the future. As I keep saying though, I'm reserving judgment on a lot of the players for this year. There is no way the talent is the reason the team gets thoroughly beaten and outplayed in like 75% of the games it plays and flat out doesn't win. Whatever coaching staff Shero brings in this offseason is what is really going to make or break his tenure with the Devils. And if he screws it up, he'll probably never get an NHL GM job again especially as there aren't not any expansion teams on the horizon once Seattle is in. Hopefully it isn't just people who spend way too much time on messageboards that recognize this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Daniel said: Assuming those points wouldn't be at the expense of someone else, yes, the team would be better. You're talking about at least eight more goals the team would have scored under such a scenario, maybe more considering that the team is not scoring a lot of empty net goals. You'd also be more confident for the future. As I keep saying though, I'm reserving judgment on a lot of the players for this year. There is no way the talent is the reason the team gets thoroughly beaten and outplayed in like 75% of the games it plays and flat out doesn't win. Whatever coaching staff Shero brings in this offseason is what is really going to make or break his tenure with the Devils. And if he screws it up, he'll probably never get an NHL GM job again especially as there aren't not any expansion teams on the horizon once Seattle is in. Hopefully it isn't just people who spend way too much time on messageboards that recognize this. A Stanley Cup wining GM will never have trouble finding work. Your over the top hatred for him clouds your view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Nicomo said: Nah, we have a few, Bratt, Gusev... Yeah but mine was funny, yours makes me sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nicomo said: A Stanley Cup wining GM will never have trouble finding work. Your over the top hatred for him clouds your view. Sigh... that Stanley Cup winning team didn’t think much of it and fired him. You seriously think that if the Devils are a bottom five team next year, making it four out of six seasons that happened, that other teams aren’t going to draw the very obvious conclusion that his Stanley Cup ring was largely the product of two extraordinary players he had nothing to do with acquiring? But seriously, what is it with this need for some people to defend the absolutely atrocious results he’s gotten thus far? And even so, I’m still saying he gets more time to get it right, just that the losing and hoping high draft picks turns it around can’t go on forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Daniel said: Sigh... that Stanley Cup winning team didn’t think much of it and fired him. Yeah, good coaches/GM’s never get fired...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Yeah, good coaches/GM’s never get fired...lol They usually don’t get fired twice and get a third job when the second job went disastrously wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Im just tired of getting the top pick wrong. Seems we get amazing luck in the lottery, then end up taking the second or third best guy. Pettersson in Vancouver is a dynamic offensive specialist who has dramatically changed their entire team. Hischier is mediocre at best this year We pass up a beast of a defenseman for a mini mite centre who could be good 5 years from now Just kind of depressing Just because there are other currently better players from the Nico draft, doesn't mean they got the pick 'wrong'. They got it right given the two given options at that spot. Right now it's way too soon to tell if they got it right between Hughes and Kakko though the whole hockey world had Hughes as a slight favorite at #1 so even if Kakko turns out to be better hard to fault the Devils for that. Besides, even if they lost the 'pressure' of having to pick at the top doesn't mean they'll get it right at 5 or 10 either. God knows we're gonna take it up the butt with the McLeod pick with all the good players that went just above him and a couple behind him. Edited December 13, 2019 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel said: Sigh... that Stanley Cup winning team didn’t think much of it and fired him. You seriously think that if the Devils are a bottom five team next year, making it four out of six seasons that happened, that other teams aren’t going to draw the very obvious conclusion that his Stanley Cup ring was largely the product of two extraordinary players he had nothing to do with acquiring? But seriously, what is it with this need for some people to defend the absolutely atrocious results he’s gotten thus far? And even so, I’m still saying he gets more time to get it right, just that the losing and hoping high draft picks turns it around can’t go on forever. Theres a need to defend him cause we UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. You Clearly do no and don't want to. I must have said it a thousand times and other people too but you're absolutely blinded by your hatred. That's why people defend him. How many thread did you start to whine about this sh!t? 4 ? But then you don't get why people argue with you? Your incredibly flawed logic is 200% based on hatred and 20/20 hindsight. You can't just look at results and go "see. he sucks" (which you did a thousand times). You alwayyyyyyys ignore context. Edited December 14, 2019 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Theres a need to defend him cause we UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. You Clearly do no and don't want to. I must have said it a thousand times and other people too but you're absolutely blinded by your hatred. That's why people defend him. How many thread did you start to whine about this sh!t? 4 ? But then you don't get why people argue with you? Your incredibly flawed logic is 200% based on hatred and 20/20 hindsight. You can't just look at results and go "see. he sucks" (which you did a thousand times). You alwayyyyyyys ignore context. I know, if only Lou has traded Parise, you wouldn’t have been harping on it forever, somehow forgetting that not doing it got us to the SCF. But those magic beans we would have gotten for him would have made Ray’s job so much easier in a way that two lottery wins and lots of cap space and Chiarelli doing him a giant favor just hasn’t so far. For the last time, I have made clear Shero gets more time, but he has to start getting results very soon, which a good coach with a track record of success will go a long way towards. Everything about his time as a GM shows that he’ll have trouble doing this, since he values loyalty in his coaches more than anything. He got away with it in Pittsiburgh, but it’s been a disaster here. Again, people grow and learn, hopefully he has. Edited December 14, 2019 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Daniel said: I know, if only Lou has traded Parise, you wouldn’t have been harping on it forever, somehow forgetting that not doing it got us to the SCF. But those magic beans we would have gotten for him would have made Ray’s job so much easier in a way that two lottery wins and lots of cap space and Chiarelli doing him a giant favor just hasn’t so far. For the last time, I have made clear Shero gets more time, but he has to start getting results very soon, which a good coach with a track record of success will go a long way towards. Everything about his time as a GM shows that he’ll have trouble doing this, since he values loyalty in his coaches more than anything. He got away with it in Pittsiburgh, but it’s been a disaster here. Again, people grow and learn, hopefully he has. lol well you sure didn't cause you've been whining about him for over 2 years now and he proved you wrong most of the time. You really gotta start understanding that all a GM can do is make decisions based on the informations and assets he has. That a move pan out or not is completely out of their hands. All you've been doing is ignore any context, literally making sh!t up about his intentions other stuff and pointing out results that are unfair to put on him, that's not how that works. On paper most of his moves and decisions made total sense but they didn't pan out. Just like Lou trading for Schneider made sense but ultimately fvcked us over just like Lou not being able to re-sign Tavares turned out okay for them. It's not that black and white. You just hate him cause you're frustrated with the state of the team and he's your scapegoat it's pretty damn clear The only systematic things he did i didnt agree with was going in the season with hall unsigned. But then there's some logic there that can justify it, i just don't agree with it personally. And other clear "gamble" he took like any GM does. Edited December 14, 2019 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: lol well you sure didn't cause you've been whining about him for over 2 years now and he proved you wrong most of the time. You really gotta start understanding that all a GM can do is make decisions based on the informations and assets he has. That a move pan out or not is completely out of their hands. All you've been doing is ignore any context, literally making sh!t up about his intentions other stuff and pointing out results that are unfair to put on him, that's not how that works. On paper most of his moves and decisions made total sense but they didn't pan out. Just like Lou trading for Schneider made sense but ultimately fvcked us over just like Lou not being able to re-sign Tavares turned out okay for them. It's not that black and white. He hung on to an awful coach much longer than he should have, and didn’t have a contingency plan to get someone better when he finally did fire him. And it appears it went down this way because he didn’t even want to fire him until the end of the season, and just wanted the team to tank in peace. (And seriously, to deny that the Devils are now tanking the rest of the season and it’s been the plan for at least couple of weeks now is almost as deluded being a flat earther, and should automatically result in you not being taken seriously even by a crazy person yelling obscenities at no one in particular in Newark Penn Station). It’s been five years and the team is the second worst team in the league. I don’t care what your circumstances are. You don’t get much more time if that’s your record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Daniel said: He hung on to an awful coach much longer than he should have, and didn’t have a contingency plan to get someone better when he finally did fire him. And it appears it went down this way because he didn’t even want to fire him until the end of the season, and just wanted the team to tank in peace. (And seriously, to deny that the Devils are now tanking the rest of the season and it’s been the plan for at least couple of weeks now is almost as deluded being a flat earther, and should automatically result in you not being taken seriously even by a crazy person yelling obscenities at no one in particular in Newark Penn Station). It’s been five years and the team is the second worst team in the league. I don’t care what your circumstances are. You don’t get much more time if that’s your record. Yeah sure he held on for too long to Hynes. Even if that's one strike. You've been sh!tting on the guy for other stuff for 2 years already cause you were already convinced he wasnt trying to build a winning team for not signing like James Van Riemsdyk to a max deal. Don't use that as some sort of ultimate justification. You're a hater and nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Yeah sure he held on for too long to Hynes. Even if that's one strike. You've been sh!tting on the guy for other stuff for 2 years already cause you were already convinced he wasnt trying to build a winning team for not signing like James Van Riemsdyk to a max deal. Don't use that as some sort of ultimate justification. You're a hater and nothing else Absolutely never said we should have signed JVR, and have repeatedly said not overspending on so so free agents was a good idea except I was bummed when we didn’t get Shattenkirk. I thought he should have tried harder to land Jacob Trouba, and compared to the guy he brought in it looks like I was right, although again Hynes and Nass would probably have made him look terrible too. There is much more to building a good team than being an entertaining wheeler dealer. Edited December 14, 2019 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Daniel said: Absolutely never said we should have signed JVR, and have repeatedly said not overspending on so so free agents was a good idea except I was bummed when we didn’t get Shattenkirk. I thought he should have tried harder to land Jacob Trouba, and compared to the guy he brought in it looks like I was right, although again Hynes and Nass would probably have made him look terrible too. There is much more to building a good team than being an entertaining wheeler dealer. you kept mocking the "weaponizing cap space" and cause he didn't sign anyone 2 summers ago you were on his case for not even trying. To say that a GM is not trying to build a winning team and that he's okay with losing is just dumb. You just gotta understand the situation and the process. You have no idea how hard he tried to get Trouba. There's a big chance the jets really wanted their own pick back. Shattenkirk is a good example of good move on paper that doesnt pan out. Sadly for Shero that's mostly what he's getting at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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