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45 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

The only vampire in the league is Valteri Filppula, which is totally a vampire name which I have mentioned previously. 

If you disagree, say his name with a "vampire accent" and you'll realize I am right. 

 

Count Filppula... Holy sh!t

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2 hours ago, Nicomo said:

Like you think he’s a vampire, or his frequent injuries?

Vampire for sure. 

Maybe not as frequent injuries but as a winger, do you seem him as a cornerstone game changer at 28 for 8 years? He relies on speed, what's the first thing that goes?

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Word that the Coyotes are interested.  Have a hard time seeing that the teams are a match.  

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4 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Word that the Coyotes are interested.  Have a hard time seeing that the teams are a match.  

They might be on the upswing, but I’d be really surprised to see him re-sign there. Non-traditional hockey market, not much playoff success, etc. 

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1 hour ago, Nicomo said:

They might be on the upswing, but I’d be really surprised to see him re-sign there. Non-traditional hockey market, not much playoff success, etc. 

More like there’s no chance they trade anyone we would want.  And we wouldn’t want anyone they would be willing to trade.  

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According to the guy that posted this French article on the subreddit, talks between Shero and Hall broke down over term...which suggests that, at least some point, Hall was open to staying. I'm not sure how credible any of this is but it isn't totallytruehockeyrumors.biz so I feel like I can post it without getting flamed too hard. 

 

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30 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

According to the guy that posted this French article on the subreddit, talks between Shero and Hall broke down over term...which suggests that, at least some point, Hall was open to staying. I'm not sure how credible any of this is but it isn't totallytruehockeyrumors.biz so I feel like I can post it without getting flamed too hard. 

 

Lavoie is a brand name reporter, although he has been known to get things wrong, but not in an Єklund (2.3% accurate) sort of way.

From all the other reports though it really looks like Byram is who Shero wants and that Colorado very well might pull the trigger if they decide Hall is what they need.  

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Yeah Lavoie is pretty well connected. Like anything when you're reporting rumours, some stuff won't happen cause deals are falling through all the time but man if we could land Byram, that'd be a huge win.

Colorado might see themselves in a win now mode and may be willing to sacrifice a good young player to get a guy like taylor hall. So man, that'd be aweome.

Also read reports from MTL saying that Scott Burnside fromThe Athletic had discussions with someone pretty well connected in the NHL and says MTL would have to offer one of Cayden Primeau, Ryan Poehling, Nick Suzuki or Josh Brook + a first round pick would be the price. Brook would probably be the target as we obviously need help on the D

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Byram really does make a lot of sense for both teams. We desperately need help on the blue line, and Colorado already has Makar. What’s left of Hall’s prime probably fits their window of winning a Cup. 

I feel like we’d have to throw something else in the deal though. 

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Byram is an absolute stud and a first overall pick-level player. Would be over the moon if he came back in the deal. I’d imagine we’d have to sweeten the pot for Sakic to part with him.

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Hypothetically, I have to say if the rumors about Hall not being satisfied with year options that allegedly may have come up during these rumored "shopping" discussions, we might look like a real option for him. Looks like teams may be skeptical about throwing term at him with his current performance and injury concern. His slow start might be a 'good' thing for us, and we may just be able to lock him up. Pie in the sky maybe, but Daniel may be right with his Rebuild 2.0 comments. Just that though, and just maybe. 

15 hours ago, HellOnICE said:

Everyone wants Bo from Colorado. 

I wonder to sweeten the deal to get THE guy - we include Butcher in on this deal. 

Hall/Butcher for Bo and 2nd rounder?

I'm hesitant to offer Butcher. Yes he's been quiet, but he's a decent D and he CHOSE to come here. The last thing we need to do at this point is show we don't give a sh!t about 'loyalty' to any potential future players that pick us

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Not sure why people think they’d have to give up more than hall to get byram.  Whoever gets hall, especially a team like Colorado is looking to win right now.  If anything I think it should be the other way around.  Devils are way off from being competitive again and if they ever plan to be anytime soon they better start with major roster changes since most have been $hit.  Nothing fvcking changes and I’m now pissed writing this post at 12:30 am.  I’m going to bed, fvcking tired and now mad.

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12 minutes ago, devlman said:

Byram is an absolute stud and a first overall pick-level player. Would be over the moon if he came back in the deal. I’d imagine we’d have to sweeten the pot for Sakic to part with him.

We think he’ll be a stud. He’s yet to play a single NHL game yet though. Just like with Ty Smith we won’t know until he’s actually in the league. 

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16 minutes ago, devlman said:

Byram is an absolute stud and a first overall pick-level player. Would be over the moon if he came back in the deal. I’d imagine we’d have to sweeten the pot for Sakic to part with him.

The thing with Byram though is that his point totals and especially his goal totals are way down to the point that he’s scoring goals at less than half the rate he did last year.  And it was his goal scoring that really catapulted him into the top five in the draft, that and an insane post season. The other thing is that Colorado doesn’t need him, in the sense that he could turn into a complete bust, get injured or whatever, and they’re still going to be a very very good team for a while.  

Of course the fact that there might be some kind of regression could make the Devils less interested in him, or they can make it seem like that anyway.

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20 minutes ago, ajsgolf said:

Not sure why people think they’d have to give up more than hall to get byram.  Whoever gets hall, especially a team like Colorado is looking to win right now.  If anything I think it should be the other way around.  Devils are way off from being competitive again and if they ever plan to be anytime soon they better start with major roster changes since most have been $hit.  Nothing fvcking changes and I’m now pissed writing this post at 12:30 am.  I’m going to bed, fvcking tired and now mad.

I’ve been hard on Shero and for the results we’ve seen, he deserves it.  That said, if he can manage to get Byram, that will pretty much be better than any GM has done on a rental deal like this in a long time.  All prospects come with risks, but the expectation is that he can step in and be a good defenseman next season, and would go a long way to shoring up the blueline.  

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6 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

Hypothetically, I have to say if the rumors about Hall not being satisfied with year options that allegedly may have come up during these rumored "shopping" discussions, we might look like a real option for him. Looks like teams may be skeptical about throwing term at him with his current performance and injury concern. His slow start might be a 'good' thing for us, and we may just be able to lock him up. Pie in the sky maybe, but Daniel may be right with his Rebuild 2.0 comments. Just that though, and just maybe. 

I'm hesitant to offer Butcher. Yes he's been quiet, but he's a decent D and he CHOSE to come here. The last thing we need to do at this point is show we don't give a sh!t about 'loyalty' to any potential future players that pick us

Loyalty Schmoyalty - it's a business. This kind of thing doesn't bother players as much as ya think. They gave him a nice pay increase, that's the loyal part. If Byram comes back the other way, I'll drive Butcher to the airport myself. 

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1 minute ago, HellOnICE said:

Loyalty Schmoyalty - it's a business. This kind of thing doesn't bother players as much as ya think. They gave him a nice pay increase, that's the loyal part. If Byram comes back the other way, I'll drive Butcher to the airport myself. 

Lol agreed. There’s only 2 players who should be off the table as far as trades go, Nico and Hughes. If anyone else can help make the team better in a deal you have to do it. There’s guys like Palms, Coleman, and even Bratt that I would hate to lose, but like you said it’s a business. 

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I didn't realize Byram hasn't played any games yet - I thought this was his rookie season and I was going to look up his stats to see how he's been doing so far.  I really can't believe it has come to this and I hate that it seems like all but a virtual certainty that we're losing Hall.  I hate to lose him for basically an unknown quantity (Byram with no experience), because it's risky as hell, and although we need D help pretty bad, I hate to lose a player who is/should be an offensive powerhouse.  Granted Hall's been snake-bitten this year so far, but he's still producing point-wise at a pretty nice clip, and this team isn't exactly overflowing with offensive talent at the moment.

This really sucks.

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9 hours ago, devlman said:

Byram is an absolute stud and a first overall pick-level player. Would be over the moon if he came back in the deal. I’d imagine we’d have to sweeten the pot for Sakic to part with him.

Man I would be ECSTATIC if we somehow managed to pry Byram from the Avs for Hall.  It would make losing him a much easier pill to swallow, that's for sure.

But we'd almost certainly have to:

  1. Include asset(s) along with Hall
  2. Retain on Hall's salary
  3. Eat a bad contract from Colorado

No problem with 2 and 3, but it's not my money.  I wonder what other assets would be required.

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2 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

This really sucks.

It does suck.  But a very real part of me thinks Hall will be a Parise 2.0 in that we'll look at him in a few years and be like "holy sh!t thank God that contract isn't on our books".

I think Hall's a much better player than Parise ever was, but.. Idk, odds on him looking good for the next 6-8 years at 10m per?  Doubtful.

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9 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I'm hesitant to offer Butcher. Yes he's been quiet, but he's a decent D and he CHOSE to come here. The last thing we need to do at this point is show we don't give a sh!t about 'loyalty' to any potential future players that pick us

I have to brush up on the situation, but from memory I believe Butcher ditched Colorado for us and had an issue with Sakic. I'm not sure Sakic would want him if that was the case. Again I need to refresh my memory though

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Just now, Devil Dan 56 said:

I have to brush up on the situation, but from memory I believe Butcher ditched Colorado for us and had an issue with Sakic. I'm not sure Sakic would want him if that was the case. Again I need to refresh my memory though

he ditched colorado because he didn't feel he could make the team and thrive as he did his rookie year with NJ

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Regardless of Byram's bonafides as a prospect, until he plays an NHL game he's still just that, a prospect. Blue chip, yes, but even blue chip prospects can crash and burn at the NHL level. I'm okay with retaining some of Hall's salary but at worst the trade should be one for one with conditionally more if Hall re-signs. Hall is an established star with an MVP pedigree. Byram has never played an NHL game.

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9 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I have to brush up on the situation, but from memory I believe Butcher ditched Colorado for us and had an issue with Sakic. I'm not sure Sakic would want him if that was the case. Again I need to refresh my memory though

I think it was Roy that he had an issue with.  I could be remembering incorrectly, though.

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