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21 minutes ago, devlman said:

There is absolutely no way Sakic gives us Byram. That said, if he were dumb enough to send him our way we’d have a defense backbone with Byram and Smith with a center backbone of Hughes and Hischier. Cups for the next decade.

For Byram I'd be happy to retain a large chunk of Halls salary and add another player (Wood?). Not that there's much chance they even entertain the idea.

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34 minutes ago, Aitchmack said:

For Byram I'd be happy to retain a large chunk of Halls salary and add another player (Wood?). Not that there's much chance they even entertain the idea.

Except Colorado has more cap space than we do so it does next to nothing to sweeten the deal unless the owners just don't feel like paying.

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6 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

thing is if we trade with Colorado i have a hard time not seeing him sign an extension. He said before Mackinon was his fav player to watch, obviously he's want to play with him and they have a decent chance at a cup so, can't see why it wouldnt happen

Just the other day Mackinnon said this..

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“We have guys that we wouldn’t (otherwise) be able to bring in,” MacKinnon said. “On my next deal, I’ll take less again. Because I want to win with this group.”

Taking less doesn't work unless everyone does it and I think Taylor Hall would blow up that salary structure.  Not saying they can't make it work, we know they have cap space for days, it just seems like it could cause some turbulence.

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3 minutes ago, Crisis said:

Just the other day Mackinnon said this..

Taking less doesn't work unless everyone does it and I think Taylor Hall would blow up that salary structure.  Not saying they can't make it work, we know they have cap space for days, it just seems like it could cause some turbulence.

I'm still not convinced by him saying "taking less". By the time his deal is up and the cap is upward of 90mm or something so "taking less" could be a half or quarter million when guys of his caliber are making 12-13mm AAV. 

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6 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Travis has another year yet on his deal, not a traditional rental situation. I’d hate to see him go and not retire a Devil at this point, but it is what it is. 

I'd also hate to see him not retire a Devil, and I just don't know what he would bring to another team that's looking to make a playoff push.  He's the type of guy you want in the regular season - he's durable, and good at faceoffs and penalty killing.  What he isn't, is physical, fast, or a pure goal scorer.  

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14 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I'd also hate to see him not retire a Devil, and I just don't know what he would bring to another team that's looking to make a playoff push.  He's the type of guy you want in the regular season - he's durable, and good at faceoffs and penalty killing.  What he isn't, is physical, fast, or a pure goal scorer.  

You don’t have to win face offs or kill penalties in the playoffs?

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I get the feeling Shero sees what a lot of us see. Hall's 25 points in 29 games is pretty good window dressing on what has still been a pretty lackluster 1/3 of the season so far. Hall just doesn't seem like the player who can command a game on his stick or pull something out of nothing, the way he looked his Hart year. His goals haven't been in big moments, he hasn't made big game-changing plays the way some others on our team (much younger than him) have.

Those 25 points look good from the outside and help cover up some pretty inconsistent play, so it makes sense if Shero's trying to push this trade as soon as possible while his value is intact.

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32 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

I get the feeling Shero sees what a lot of us see. Hall's 25 points in 29 games is pretty good window dressing on what has still been a pretty lackluster 1/3 of the season so far. Hall just doesn't seem like the player who can command a game on his stick or pull something out of nothing, the way he looked his Hart year. His goals haven't been in big moments, he hasn't made big game-changing plays the way some others on our team (much younger than him) have.

Those 25 points look good from the outside and help cover up some pretty inconsistent play, so it makes sense if Shero's trying to push this trade as soon as possible while his value is intact.

I was all for taking the plunge and re-signing him (even though I strongly suspected this would become a bad contract).

Though I'm not fully against it even now, more and more I'm OK with him going.  I think the promise of what Taylor Hall can be will often exceed what Hall actually is.  It all came together for him during that one MVP season...and it was a glorious season for him, no doubt.  But what I was hoping was the beginning of a run of very good to great seasons looks more like a career year that he won't ever come close to matching. 

The funny thing is I think we all would've celebrated Hall re-signing initially...and within a few years, with still a lot of term left on his deal, fans would've started turning on him...mostly because I don't think he's ever going to live up to what he'll get paid...and that's if he's not missing several games. 

When he is actually dealt, I will be a bit bummed...far from crushed, but it will be a reminder that four years after he was acquired, the Devils weren't able to get where they were hoping to go.  I do think Shero has a plan, but I don't imagine it involved two lost seasons after it looked like progress had been made in 2017-18...not that I thought that the Devils were automatically going to be a playoff team every year (the process isn't always linear), but for a number of reasons, a hell of a lot has gone to sh!t...starting with the goalie who should've been a nice building block falling off a cliff.  And I'm sure though Shero knew that a healthy and reasonably productive Hall could be moved at some point during his walk year if need be...that's definitely not was Ray was hoping for. 

As for Hall himself...no hard feelings.  It's not his fault that Schneider's steep decline made the goaltending situation a complete mess, with guys like KK and Blackwood being asked to do too much.  Not on Hall that Shero's deals (many of which did make sense on paper) have not been paying dividends lately.  Or that PK's game has been a trainwreck...or that too many defensemen here simply aren't that good.  I'm sure some will slather Hall with the "loser" paintbrush, but I don't think that's fair...he can be frustrating and like I said, with him you definitely get more promise than performance at times, but one guy can only do so much. 

Shero is about to be flush with some serious cap room again...really hope the next round, whatever it may be, brings back more than a faded shell-of-himself former star who's making a fortune.  Not that I'm on the "Shero sucks" bus, but I gotta see some real progress over the next couple of years. 

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49 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

You don’t have to win face offs or kill penalties in the playoffs?

Didn't really mean it that way... penalty killing is always important, of course, but I feel like during the playoffs most of us probably agree that the refs let things go quite a bit more, so that's usually a little less important.  And as for the faceoffs, he's traditionally been good at them, but I feel like even that's gone downhill a bit lately. 

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1 minute ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Didn't really mean it that way... penalty killing is always important, of course, but I feel like during the playoffs most of us probably agree that the refs let things go quite a bit more, so that's usually a little less important.  And as for the faceoffs, he's traditionally been good at them, but I feel like even that's gone downhill a bit lately. 

Yeah, it actually has this season. Most years he’s at least in the mid 50’s and he’s currently at 52%

Nico has actually closed the gap a bit as far as Zajac being our best by far. 

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24 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I was all for taking the plunge and re-signing him (even though I strongly suspected this would become a bad contract).

Though I'm not fully against it even now, more and more I'm OK with him going.  I think the promise of what Taylor Hall can be will often exceed what Hall actually is.  It all came together for him during that one MVP season...and it was a glorious season for him, no doubt.  But what I was hoping was the beginning of a run of very good to great seasons looks more like a career year that he won't ever come close to matching. 

The funny thing is I think we all would've celebrated Hall re-signing initially...and within a few years, with still a lot of term left on his deal, fans would've started turning on him...mostly because I don't think he's ever going to live up to what he'll get paid...and that's if he's not missing several games. 

When he is actually dealt, I will be a bit bummed...far from crushed, but it will be a reminder that four years after he was acquired, the Devils weren't able to get where they were hoping to go.  I do think Shero has a plan, but I don't imagine it involved two lost seasons after it looked like progress had been made in 2017-18...not that I thought that the Devils were automatically going to be a playoff team every year (the process isn't always linear), but for a number of reasons, a hell of a lot has gone to sh!t...starting with the goalie who should've been a nice building block falling off a cliff.  And I'm sure though Shero knew that a healthy and reasonably productive Hall could be moved at some point during his walk year if need be...that's definitely not was Ray was hoping for. 

As for Hall himself...no hard feelings.  It's not his fault that Schneider's steep decline made the goaltending situation a complete mess, with guys like KK and Blackwood being asked to do too much.  Not on Hall that Shero's deals (many of which did make sense on paper) have not been paying dividends lately.  Or that PK's game has been a trainwreck...or that too many defensemen here simply aren't that good.  I'm sure some will slather Hall with the "loser" paintbrush, but I don't think that's fair...he can be frustrating and like I said, with him you definitely get more promise than performance at times, but one guy can only do so much. 

Shero is about to be flush with some serious cap room again...really hope the next round, whatever it may be, brings back more than a faded shell-of-himself former star who's making a fortune.  Not that I'm on the "Shero sucks" bus, but I gotta see some real progress over the next couple of years. 

I guess the way im judging decision making in general is judging the decision when it's taken based on all the information at hand and thats it. Cause for a GM too often you can make bad decisions that won't hurt you much just like you can make good decisions that could hurt you. It's results driven but most of the time the results are out of your hands. 

You can cross the road without looking a hundred times depending on where you're crossing and you may never get hit. Doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

For example the Schneider trade was a great move at the time, it didnt pan out and we'd likely be wayyyy better off now if we never made that trade but that's cause Schneider's game dropped out of the blues, that's not Lou's fault.

Shero also made many great trades on paper. But many of them simply didnt pan out cause the players sh!t the bed.

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I guess the way im judging decision making in general is judging the decision when it's taken based on all the information at hand and thats it. Cause for a GM too often you can make bad decisions that won't hurt you much just like you can make good decisions that could hurt you. It's results driven but most of the time the results are out of your hands. 

You can cross the road without looking a hundred times depending on where you're crossing and you may never get hit. Doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do.

For example the Schneider trade was a great move at the time, it didnt pan out and we'd likely be wayyyy better off now if we never made that trade but that's cause Schneider's game dropped out of the blues, that's not Lou's fault.

Shero also made many great trades on paper. But many of them simply didnt pan out cause the players sh!t the bed.

I've said this before about Shero...apart from getting lucky with the draft lottery twice, he's had incredibly rotten luck as of late, with "makes sense" deals not working out in his favor.  On that level I really feel for him.  Like I've said about him, there aren't really any moves that he's made that I've had a "C'mon Ray WTF kind of deal is THAT?!" reaction to.  The only quibble that I have is that I'm not sure that he or those he works with took a hard enough look at Subban's 2018-19 season, which did have red flags...but they had the cap room to take the risk, and didn't have give up a ton in assets.  And Shero will have even more money to spend now. 

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I've said this before about Shero...apart from getting lucky with the draft lottery twice, he's had incredibly rotten luck as of late, with "makes sense" deals not working out in his favor.  On that level I really feel for him.  Like I've said about him, there aren't really any moves that he's made that I've had a "C'mon Ray WTF kind of deal is THAT?!" reaction to.  The only quibble that I have is that I'm not sure that he or those he works with took a hard enough look at Subban's 2018-19 season, which did have red flags...but they had the cap room to take the risk, and didn't have give up a ton in assets.  And Shero will have even more money to spend now. 

the only move he did that i thought was meh was signing simmonds but i understood it was a very very low risk move really 

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