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2 minutes ago, titans04 said:

same, just wondering if there's a case where this played out and my frustration is blinding my memory.

Yeah, I can't really think of any, recent or not. 

Going a step further, say we all get a bit surprised and Hall does end up signing here, whether it's tomorrow, or even in the off-season (though that would be unlikely and not make much sense) - what is the reaction?  Are people happy and glad he's back?  

This is assuming a lot, like he's given a term and amount that we're all OK with, but I'm just wondering if people here still would want him around.  I for one do.  Maybe I'm more of a businessman, but I still see him as a near point per game player on a team where almost nothing has gone right, and outside of one small issue a couple months ago that was quickly diffused, the guy has been a good teammate and player during his time here.  He's given me little reason outside of being a bit snakebitten so far this season to not want a player like him on this team, and for a while.

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7 minutes ago, titans04 said:

a serious question when has that scenario ever played out in the NHL with a top tier player?

It always sounds great on the surface, no doubt about that.

Honestly imo at this point I think he can not wait to pack his sh!t and leave town.

Not sure what you mean, but there have been cases where a highly sought after free agent goes to the legal tampering period and signs with his old team, Stamkos being the biggest name.  I can't think of a big time free agent  who got traded at around the deadline and re-signed with his former team.

I dunno, I think Hall and Ferris sense there is some risk that he's not going to get the huge payday he thinks and isn't going to be able to sign in his dream location since there aren't that many teams that have the cap space to sign him.  So maybe if Shero gets really low balled in trade discussions, he circles back and tries to sign him to a long term deal and Hall might be more willing to accept it than we think.

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17 minutes ago, Daniel said:

I dunno, I think Hall and Ferris sense there is some risk that he's not going to get the huge payday he thinks and isn't going to be able to sign in his dream location since there aren't that many teams that have the cap space to sign him.  So maybe if Shero gets really low balled in trade discussions, he circles back and tries to sign him to a long term deal and Hall might be more willing to accept it than we think.

Yeah, this is essentially what I was getting at.  It may not be likely, and some things have to happen for that to be the case, but it's certainly not impossible.  Like you said, there's only a few logical suitors for Hall, so that right there really narrows down the possible destinations for him, and maybe the teams that can realistically bring him in look at his injury last year, and goal scoring this year, and say either "nah, thanks anyway", or "Ok, how's 5 years 50M?" and Taylor says that's not enough - that might be reason enough for him to consider staying here.

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37 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

if you read between the lines of media posts, ray hasn't offered 8 years (or likely even 6+) and that's a sticking point.

I'd actually be interested to hear which "media posts" you're referring to and how you've arrived at such a conclusion. It's possible I missed something but I haven't seen anything that would hint that we know anything about the negotiations. Unless what you mean is that you don't think that the two parties have gotten around to discussing numbers at all - which...maybe...maybe.

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It will be the biggest shock of my life as a hockey fan if Taylor Hall re-signs with the Devils. So many of you posted all along "I still think a deal gets done" when there has never been any indication that would happen. As soon as both sides said "we're going to wait", that's code for "don't hold your breath". 

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5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It will be the biggest shock of my life as a hockey fan if Taylor Hall re-signs with the Devils. So many of you posted all along "I still think a deal gets done" when there has never been any indication that would happen. As soon as both sides said "we're going to wait", that's code for "don't hold your breath". 

I was one of the ones on record a month or two ago saying that I thought a deal would have been done by now, and since it hasn't it seems less and less likely that it will, but if it actually did it wouldn't nearly be the biggest shock of my life as a hockey fan, for the reasons some of us have been discussing.

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10 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

I'd actually be interested to hear which "media posts" you're referring to and how you've arrived at such a conclusion. It's possible I missed something but I haven't seen anything that would hint that we know anything about the negotiations. Unless what you mean is that you don't think that the two parties have gotten around to discussing numbers at all - which...maybe...maybe.

i can't go back and find the links/podcasts but, while it wasn't explicitly stated, it was inferred by the likes of freidman, lebrun and lavoie.

 

edit: this was also back at the end of october/early november before the train went completely off the rails.

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11 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

I'd actually be interested to hear which "media posts" you're referring to and how you've arrived at such a conclusion. It's possible I missed something but I haven't seen anything that would hint that we know anything about the negotiations. Unless what you mean is that you don't think that the two parties have gotten around to discussing numbers at all - which...maybe...maybe.

I can't find them, but Reanoid Lavoie, who is a real reporter, explicitly said that Shero would not go above 5 or 6 years.  Lebrun hinted at it, I think in his article that the Devils were officially fielding offers.  I don't have the inclination to look up the exact words he used, but it strongly suggested that Shero was not willing to commit to Hall for the eight year max.

EDIT:  And don't forget that Ferris is certainly going to get a sense of who the UFA suitors will be and how much they might or might not offer by virtue of the trade discussions where stuff like that will undoubtedly come up even if there isn't official permission to negotiate an extension. 

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2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

it strongly suggested that Shero was not willing to commit to Hall for the eight year max.

If that's the case, then he's pretty stupid, or just doesn't want/value Hall very much, or both.

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1 minute ago, sundstrom said:

i can't go back and find the links/podcasts but, while it wasn't explicitly stated, it was inferred by the likes of freidman, lebrun and lavoie.

 

edit: this was also back at the end of october/early november before the train went completely off the rails.

An offer to Hall of less than six years is akin to telling Hall you don't want to sign him - he's a player who will in all likelihood field multiple seven year offers in UFA this offseason. I think the best of the information out there would suggest that Hall doesn't want to sign anything right now - at least not until he finds himself in a situation that's trending in the right direction. That's not reading between the lines really,  it's just listening to what he says.

As to your point about it not making any sense for the Devils to be dishing out a long-term contract to Hall right now - yeah, that's right of course given that the season is done for.

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1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said:

If that's the case, then he's pretty stupid, or just doesn't want/value Hall very much, or both.

Agreed. There's no way on earth Hall is signing a 5 year deal right now. He needs to lock in as much term as he can at as many dollars as he can, especially given his recent injury history. 

And, I will add, there will be plenty of teams looking to give him 7 years. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

It will be the biggest shock of my life as a hockey fan if Taylor Hall re-signs with the Devils. So many of you posted all along "I still think a deal gets done" when there has never been any indication that would happen. As soon as both sides said "we're going to wait", that's code for "don't hold your breath". 

Yeah, I had some hope over the summer and into the fall but at this point that ship has sailed and by now is half way across the atlantic. At this point I just want a trade done before he can get hurt

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6 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

If that's the case, then he's pretty stupid, or just doesn't want/value Hall very much, or both.

Stupid in the sense that he went out and got all these players hoping to keep Hall here and he should have known if he wasn't going to give him a max length deal that there was no point in even sitting at the table.

At this point I'm not sure it's stupid to not want to sign Hall at all. It looks like the ship has sailed on hoping this team can be on the same timeline as Hall. Prime Taylor Hall should go to a team that has a chance to give him what he wants, and I don't blame him. This sh!t is such a mess. It's a mess he can take some responsibility for, but it isn't like it should be him that has to fix it. That's on Ray, the new staff he hires, and the young cornerstone players. 

I'd hate to be a professional athlete and have barely sniffed the playoffs almost a decade into my career too. 

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18 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

The longer Shero waits, the more the return diminishes (theoretically).

Tick, tock.

No it doesn't.  The only way the return decreases is injury which I know you and others are paranoid about but GM's and players don't think like that.  There's a reason Colorado's pushing to get him now, cause they know they're one of the few teams that can offer to take back the rest of the contract clean cap-wise in December while other teams have to wait till February to bank cap space.  You'll have more teams in on the bidding in February, that's what gets the bargaining wars going.

That said it might be best served to trade him now cause this situation seems to be getting toxic.

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9 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Stupid in the sense that he went out and got all these players hoping to keep Hall here and he should have known if he wasn't going to give him a max length deal that there was no point in even sitting at the table.

At this point I'm not sure it's stupid to not want to sign Hall at all. It looks like the ship has sailed on hoping this team can be on the same timeline as Hall. Prime Taylor Hall should go to a team that has a chance to give him what he wants, and I don't blame him. This sh!t is such a mess. It's a mess he can take some responsibility for, but it isn't like it should be him that has to fix it. That's on Ray, the new staff he hires, and the young cornerstone players. 

I'd hate to be a professional athlete and have barely sniffed the playoffs almost a decade into my career too. 

I agree with this post for the most part, but I do think there was some pressure on Shero to try to compete this year though, they've had more than enough tank/dissapointing years.  Another dissapointing year this year completely obliterates any goodwill the playoff appearance bought the new regime, now it's five years of losing with no end in sight under Shero, eight years overall.

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34 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

I agree with this post for the most part, but I do think there was some pressure on Shero to try to compete this year though, they've had more than enough tank/dissapointing years.  Another dissapointing year this year completely obliterates any goodwill the playoff appearance bought the new regime, now it's five years of losing with no end in sight under Shero, eight years overall.

How many people here are really not going to care all that much about the lottery and be sort of meh even if we get one of the top two picks?  My guess is a lot of people feel this way even if they don’t admit it right now.

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27 minutes ago, Daniel said:

How many people here are really not going to care all that much about the lottery and be sort of meh even if we get one of the top two picks?  My guess is a lot of people feel this way even if they don’t admit it right now.

I'll admit to that now. I don't care about draft picks this year etc at this point. I just want to see a competitive team on the ice each night. At the rate it's going it looks like waiting for another few seasons. I'll also admit now that my season ticket holder days are finished. I can't do this anymore with this type of product. I'm basically paying money to be tortured again.

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50 minutes ago, Daniel said:

How many people here are really not going to care all that much about the lottery and be sort of meh even if we get one of the top two picks?  My guess is a lot of people feel this way even if they don’t admit it right now.

I care about the pick, because I know the other thing isn’t happening. 

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So if Hall is going to be traded to the Avs, it has to happen before puck drop, right? I kid I kid....

 

 

 

but seriously, any leaks out there on anything? Haha

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To me it's really not that complicated. The GOAL is to become a competitive team. We all thought, management included that we'd start pushing for a playoffs spot this year. But i guess there's still some work to do, it sucks but that's fine. We have to keep in mind long term is more important than short term.

Obviously as fans we are not very patient and we want it now but just look around the league, it's not easy. Toronto for example sucked for how long? Then they finally built a solid core and landed a top UFA. But they still never made it past the first round. It's hard and you need so much things going your way and luck too. It's not as if you can guarantee anything whatever you do. Would we say Steve Yzerman sucked in Tampa cause his team never won a cup? No he built a fvcking impressive team, they just never found a way on the ice to win it.

Wtv pick we get this year will be yet another young guy that will hopefully join a very young core with Hischier, Hughes, Smith, Bratt, etc etc It's with this group that we'll win. By the time they all hit their prime Hall would be way past his anyway

Edit: i forgot to add that Toronto also added a proven coach, added Lou who everyone here support and proven too, they got shanahan... got tavares. On paper there's absolutely no reason they wouldnt be a top team but they are STILL not. So if some fans here are losing patience after only a few years.. again, look around. 

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I definitely do not want top pick this upcoming draft.

Way too much pressure to get it right again.  Id be happy for top 5 range.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

To me it's really not that complicated. The GOAL is to become a competitive team. We all thought, management included that we'd start pushing for a playoffs spot this year. But i guess there's still some work to do, it sucks but that's fine. We have to keep in mind long term is more important than short term.

Obviously as fans we are not very patient and we want it now but just look around the league, it's not easy. Toronto for example sucked for how long? Then they finally built a solid core and landed a top UFA. But they still never made it past the first round. It's hard and you need so much things going your way and luck too. It's not as if you can guarantee anything whatever you do. Would we say Steve Yzerman sucked in Tampa cause his team never won a cup? No he built a fvcking impressive team, they just never found a way on the ice to win it.

Wtv pick we get this year will be yet another young guy that will hopefully join a very young core with Hischier, Hughes, Smith, Bratt, etc etc It's with this group that we'll win. 

The Athletic had an article recently with the premise that "Teams that build around high-end players at those three positions – No. 1 center, No. 1 defenseman and goaltender – should be in pretty darn good position to challenge for a Stanley Cup". They ranked the current "microcores" and the Devils were ranked dead last (https://theathletic.com/1446088/2019/12/10/ranking-nhl-microcores-executives-scouts-and-a-coach-rate-the-core-players-for-all-31-teams/?source=shared-article).  The scary part to me is that the only of those 3 positions we even have a future on is Center and hopefully that becomes a deadly 1/2 punch...We are miles away from having the Defense to compete in my opinion. Not only do we not have a single defense-man that fits the Nico/Hughes core in age on the NHL roster, the only guy in the entire system with clear top 4 potential is Ty Smith and he is not projected by anyone to be a true #1 defender. We are in desperate need for defensemen, so hopefully whatever comes back from Hall is either D prospects or picks that are used to get some because right now that is the position that I am worried will drag down the Nico/Hughes era. 

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2 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said:

I definitely do not want top pick this upcoming draft.

Way too much pressure to get it right again.  Id be happy for top 5 range.

 

 

the pressure is not on you lol Lafreniere is pretty much the #1 so

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2 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said:

I definitely do not want top pick this upcoming draft.

Way too much pressure to get it right again.  Id be happy for top 5 range.

 

 

That makes no sense. 

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