Jump to content

Taylor Hall to AZ, 1st Rnd pick, 3rd Rnd Conditonal Pick, Bahl and 2 Prospects.Dvs Retain 50% salary


Recommended Posts

Just now, Daniel said:

I agree, and there's someone who's responsible for that.  Again, it's a more specific discussion for another thread.  But again, the undeniable point is that it sucks that it got to this point.

Hard to argue with that. I thought it was nice to see Hughes' first goal in person, but I'm irritated that it's the only game I'll bother going to all year.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 2.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Bahl is obviously the most intriguing of the three prospects coming back. 6'6", 230 lb left shot defenseman that's going to be playing with Ty Smith on Team Canada at the World Juniors in a couple wee

So Taylor Hall admitted in his recent interview after playing PUBG that he “definitely” recognizes some of the same fans in the building every game.  And you guys laughed at me for wearing assles

Posted Images

Its a fine return for what is expected to be a rental. Some of you are blowing a gasket over this? From some of the reports that were being put out this is actually better thatn what I expected. The real juicy bit is that conditional pick. A conditional 3rd that becomes a second if the Yotes win a round and a first if Hall resigns on top of that huh? I hope Hall loves Arizona and LETS GO YOTES!

FriendshipEndedWithDevils.png

Link to post
Share on other sites

Duchene was 3rd pick and Colorado is a strong playoff team after they trade him after 9 years. Colorado had Mackinnon(1st) and Landeskog(2nd) and they spend 5 years for what they have now. With lucky Rantanen pick. It`s NHL. We must shot our expectation down and look at thing realistically.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, WaffleFries said:

Its a fine return for what is expected to be a rental. Some of you are blowing a gasket over this? From some of the reports that were being put out this is actually better thatn what I expected. The real juicy bit is that conditional pick. A conditional 3rd that becomes a second if the Yotes win a round and a first if Hall resigns on top of that huh? I hope Hall loves Arizona and LETS GO YOTES!

FriendshipEndedWithDevils.png

Why do people keep talking about the 1st being conditional? Isn’t that a second 1st that’s conditional? I thought we get at least one 1st from this no matter what...

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

Why do people keep talking about the 1st being conditional? Isn’t that a second 1st that’s conditional? I thought we get at least one 1st from this no matter what...

There is a definite first and a conditional third. That third becomes a second if the Yotes win a playoff round. It becomes another first if the Yotes win a round AND Hall resigns with them.

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Why do people keep talking about the 1st being conditional? Isn’t that a second 1st that’s conditional? I thought we get at least one 1st from this no matter what...

The Devils are definitely getting a first; it's just lottery protected this year. If for some reason it's a top 3 pick, we get the AZ 2021 first instead. That's the "condition".

Edited by nessus
Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm fine with this deal, right now it's 50 50 if hall will be worth 10 mil over 8.. we got his best year and flipped him..now Shero has one more shot with 2 firsts to gets some size or scoring to go with the kids.. this new guy has size as well.. thanks taylor,  or thanks larsson 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, nessus said:

The Devils are definitely getting a first; it's just lottery protected this year. If for some reason it's a top 3 pick, we get the AZ 2021 first instead. That's the "condition".

Right. And that’s not happening barring a total meltdown in Arizona. They’re a 1st place team right now. And adding Hall should make them even better. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

NJ does not have a second (Subban trade) or a third (Gusev trade) this year, so having the two first round picks is pretty solid work by Ray, even if the rest of the return is spotty at this point.

If Hall resigns or if the Yotes win a round, the extra third in 2021 goes up.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

NJ does not have a second (Subban trade) or a third (Gusev trade) this year, so having the two first round picks is pretty solid work by Ray, even if the rest of the return is spotty at this point.

If Hall resigns or if the Yotes win a round, the extra third in 2021 goes up.

There will be trades from Shero. Simmonds, maybe Vats, or even Green.

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

NJ does not have a second (Subban trade) or a third (Gusev trade) this year, so having the two first round picks is pretty solid work by Ray, even if the rest of the return is spotty at this point.

If Hall resigns or if the Yotes win a round, the extra third in 2021 goes up.

We still have Vats, Green etc. to trade  for more picks. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

NJ does not have a second (Subban trade) or a third (Gusev trade) this year, so having the two first round picks is pretty solid work by Ray, even if the rest of the return is spotty at this point.

If Hall resigns or if the Yotes win a round, the extra third in 2021 goes up.

EDIT - people already made the dumb point I did.

Edited by Triumph
Link to post
Share on other sites

Not that I wish Hall to have a bad career going forward but I do kind of hope he doesn’t help the Yotes at all and they fall out of playoff contention but don’t win the draft lottery. 

If they go past the second round we get another 1st but they’ll both probably end at the end of the first round so I’d rather have a better 1st this year than 2 late round 1sts.

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Guadana said:

There will be trades from Shero. Simmonds, maybe Vats, or even Green.

 

3 minutes ago, newarkcupparade said:

We still have Vats, Green etc. to trade  for more picks. 

 

3 minutes ago, Triumph said:

EDIT - people already made the dumb point I did.

 That's all well and good, but the trades haven't been made yet.  I hope you're all right and they are moved before the deadline. If people are predicting this to be a "deep draft" having two firsts seems alright on an otherwise not so fun day. Personally, I'd be a little surprised if any other current Devils fetch as high as even a late first.

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

 

 

 That's all well and good, but the trades haven't been made yet.  I hope you're all right and they are moved before the deadline. If people are predicting this to be a "deep draft" having two firsts seems alright on an otherwise not so fun day. Personally, I'd be a little surprised if any other current Devils fetch as high as even a late first.

That’s an insufferable rebuttal.    We have two firsts in a deep draft...  so you complain we don’t have 2nd or 3rds.    People point out we can get them by trading away others.    You reply you doubt anyone will get us even a low first...     Ugh.

Palms may, as he has an extra year on his contract... I’d rather keep him.    But we can flip Simmonds and Vats for a 2nd or 3rd.

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, CommonDreads said:

Bahl is obviously the most intriguing of the three prospects coming back. 6'6", 230 lb left shot defenseman that's going to be playing with Ty Smith on Team Canada at the World Juniors in a couple weeks, and this year I think he's taken a significant step in his two-way game. Primarily, he's still a physical shutdown defenseman and I think he likely projects as a #4 defenseman who can play on our top PK unit at his ceiling, but he also has some decent mobility and hands for a player his size. Tonight, I was already planning on watching a 67's game in preparation for an article on Marco Rossi I'm working on, and Bahl made this excellent play for a goal in the game I was watching. It's a good illustration of some of the upside he can have beyond just being your prototypical hulking defenseman, which is encouraging. Not a high-end guy, but enough there to feel good about.

Nate Schnarr is an interesting pick up. 6'3" center who was a top player for the Storm last year (34G, 102PTS in 65GP) but has taken some time to adjust in the AHL, which should be expected for a 20 year old coming out of junior. I'm not sure he's more than a 3rd line center at his ceiling, but there's enough there to think he could maybe have a place on a PP2 in the future if he pans out right.

Merkley is someone I liked quite a bit in 2015 (was actually who I wanted the Devils to grab in 2015 in the 2nd round before the Yotes grabbed him at the end of Round 1), but he's taken some time now to find his footing at the AHL and has regressed a little since his rookie AHL season. I think there's still something there to the point where we should give him a chance to stick in our middle six for the rest of the season. Once upon a time, he projected nicely as a potential top six forward, so hopefully a change of scenery and a bigger opportunity with the Devils helps him realize some of that upside.

EDIT: More than anything, we shouldn't be looking at Kevin Bahl as the centerpiece of this trade - he's not. The centerpiece was getting that 2020 1st Round pick; I've been beating the drum that this is the best draft since either 2015 or 2003, and if this pick ends up in the middle of the 1st round or earlier, we're going to walk away with two foundational pieces to build around. A lot of people were clamoring for Soderstrom from the Coyotes, but I feel fairly confident in saying that whoever we get with this 1st Round pick is going to be better than Soderstrom. If for arguments sake we end up with Lucas Raymond and Jeremie Poirier with our two 1st Rounders this year, I think people are going to look at our long term outlook with much, much more optimism than what is being thrown around right now, those would be two massive additions for our club.

Great overview dreads, you've got me enthusiastic... but you missed the most important point.. fan will have little trouble converting  the hall Jersey to a bahl Jersey 

  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, aylbert said:

That’s an insufferable rebuttal.    We have two firsts in a deep draft...  so you complain we don’t have 2nd or 3rds.    People point out we can get them by trading away others.    You reply you doubt anyone will get us even a low first...     Ugh.

Palms may, as he has an extra year on his contract... I’d rather keep him.    But we can flip Simmonds and Vats for a 2nd or 3rd.

 

However deep the draft is, no picks that we’re trading for will be in a position to help us for at least two years, if history is any guide anyway.  And for every Pastrnak, there are 10 Josefsons.  There’s a better chance of Bahl exceeding expectations and becoming a foundational piece of our defense than a pick in the 20-31 range being part of the long term answer to our problems.

Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, aylbert said:

That’s an insufferable rebuttal.    We have two firsts in a deep draft...  so you complain we don’t have 2nd or 3rds.    People point out we can get them by trading away others.    You reply you doubt anyone will get us even a low first...     Ugh.

Palms may, as he has an extra year on his contract... I’d rather keep him.    But we can flip Simmonds and Vats for a 2nd or 3rd.

 

You misunderstood. I wasn't complaining at all about the lack of a 2nd or a 3rd; simply pointing out that I find the return of a first in the Hall trade as an upside. Trading any of the other players will probably not fetch the same, so I'm looking on the bright side.

 

Relax.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.