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Taylor Hall to AZ, 1st Rnd pick, 3rd Rnd Conditonal Pick, Bahl and 2 Prospects.Dvs Retain 50% salary


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1 minute ago, NJDevils1214 said:

People mention Simmer as trade bait...how much value can he have? His contract makes it super hard to move him to a contender.

It’s a 1 year deal and we can eat salary.    He adds grit and PP.

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Bahl is obviously the most intriguing of the three prospects coming back. 6'6", 230 lb left shot defenseman that's going to be playing with Ty Smith on Team Canada at the World Juniors in a couple wee

So Taylor Hall admitted in his recent interview after playing PUBG that he “definitely” recognizes some of the same fans in the building every game.  And you guys laughed at me for wearing assles

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Just now, NJDevils1214 said:

People mention Simmer as trade bait...how much value can he have? His contract makes it super hard to move him to a contender.

By the trade deadline salary isn't really an issue.  Maybe we get a second rounder if we're lucky.  Couldn't hurt, but it's not really what the team needs.

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2 hours ago, Neb00rs said:

Before people start ripping into the guy, this is the classic line every player gives when they're traded and it usually is in reference to a team wanting to trade for them and being willing to give up assets for them and is not a shot at the player's former team.

Here's some context:

 

Yep and then he still did this.  Good riddance, thanks for the MVP season but he's been "gone" from here since this bs move. May need to grow some thicker skin and the years roll on.

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3 hours ago, Daniel said:

All Coyotes fans should be ecstatic for how little they gave up here.  And no one here can possibly be excited with what we got. 

Don't blame Ray for getting something like this at this point, but it's absolutely his fault that we're at this point to begin with.  If anyone told you this was how it was going to turn out the day we got him, they'd probably have been banned for being trolling Ranger fans. 

But what's done is done.  I just wish one of our useless beat writers can get him to give some sense of what his plan for the team is now.  It's literally the only question he should be asked, and he should be asked it repeatedly until he actually answers it.

 

It's a pretty standard high end rental deal. Yeah, disappointing that it had to be made.

We already know the plan: tank; trade off more UFAs for picks/prospects, in the offseason use the capital to draft and trade for NHL players and hope he can hire a competent coach. 

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Half-agree with Daniel here. Both Bahl and the first are important parts of the trade. Bahl is almost certainly going to get an NHL shot and that's more than you can say for now about the pick that the Coyotes' selection will yield us. He's got a fair enough shot to become a good-skating physical presence on our PK. The "this is a deep draft" line gets thrown out pretty wildly year-to-year, but it doesn't seem like the Devils are much more likely to get a hit at 20 this year than any other year. If the Coyotes bomb and it's a top 10 pick then the depth of the draft will matter more. Whether you think Ray has made the right moves along the way or not, he did get us here and obviously his ability to make successful selections in the first round of the upcoming draft and pick who the next head coach is will hold much importance in terms of his future with the team a few years from now. The one thing is that it's still not totally out of the question for the Devils to try and build a competitive team in the near future. Ray may get another late first round pick for Vatanen (could be a second too). He can make the choice to use his abundance of firsts to trade for a roster player come draft time if he so chooses. He has the next few months to decide what this team is and what direction to go in. When people lament, "prospects usually never turn into anything" they're really just saying, "It's hard to draft well." And that's obvious as well. Yeah, you have to draft well to build a winning franchise. Go figure. But you at least need the assets in order to be able to try. For now Bahl is a nice addition to the system - it's not out of the question that he plays some games for the Devils next year.

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2 hours ago, Guadana said:

Duchene was 3rd pick and Colorado is a strong playoff team after they trade him after 9 years. Colorado had Mackinnon(1st) and Landeskog(2nd) and they spend 5 years for what they have now. With lucky Rantanen pick. It`s NHL. We must shot our expectation down and look at thing realistically.

Thinking about Colorado does give me some optimism. They certainly were not an overnight success and accumulated some top 5 draft choices and it was only a few seasons ago that they were the laughing stalk of the league

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14 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

People mention Simmer as trade bait...how much value can he have? His contract makes it super hard to move him to a contender.

Maybe now, not at the trade deadline. Pro-rated salary for 20 games isn’t so bad. 

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9 minutes ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

It's a pretty standard high end rental deal. Yeah, disappointing that it had to be made.

I read that the guys included are the third, fifth and ninth ranked prospects in the team’s system. Add draft picks to that. That seems about right for a little more than half a season of Taylor Hall. 

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17 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

People mention Simmer as trade bait...how much value can he have? His contract makes it super hard to move him to a contender.

He could maybe bring back a middle of the road guy for Binghamton at the deadline and we would probably need to retain salary.

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18 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Half-agree with Daniel here. Both Bahl and the first are important parts of the trade. Bahl is almost certainly going to get an NHL shot and that's more than you can say for now about the pick that the Coyotes' selection will yield us. He's got a fair enough shot to become a good-skating physical presence on our PK. The "this is a deep draft" line gets thrown out pretty wildly year-to-year, but it doesn't seem like the Devils are much more likely to get a hit at 20 this year than any other year. If the Coyotes bomb and it's a top 10 pick then the depth of the draft will matter more. Whether you think Ray has made the right moves along the way or not, he did get us here and obviously his ability to make successful selections in the first round of the upcoming draft and pick who the next head coach is will hold much importance in terms of his future with the team a few years from now. The one thing is that it's still not totally out of the question for the Devils to try and build a competitive team in the near future. Ray may get another late first round pick for Vatanen (could be a second too). He can make the choice to use his abundance of firsts to trade for a roster player come draft time if he so chooses. He has the next few months to decide what this team is and what direction to go in. When people lament, "prospects usually never turn into anything" they're really just saying, "It's hard to draft well." And that's obvious as well. Yeah, you have to draft well to build a winning franchise. Go figure. But you at least need the assets in order to be able to try. For now Bahl is a nice addition to the system - it's not out of the question that he plays some games for the Devils next year.

I mentioned it in the other thread, but one thing that should definitely be explored is to try and pry Dylan Samberg from the Jets obviously with the understanding ahead of time that he'll forego his senior year and sign.  There are rumblings that he doesn't intend to sign with them and it helps that he's friends with Joey Anderson.  Maybe it doesn't make sense in Vatanen deadline trade, but perhaps you flip the picks you get for him in a such a deal.

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18 minutes ago, titans04 said:

He could maybe bring back a middle of the road guy for Binghamton at the deadline and we would probably need to retain salary.

The Devils will likely retain salary on Simmonds but 'a middle of the road guy for Binghamton' - I doubt very much that will be the return for him.  2nd or 3rd round pick depending on how the rest of his season goes.

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6 minutes ago, Triumph said:

The Devils will likely retain salary on Simmonds but 'a middle of the road guy for Binghamton' - I doubt very much that will be the return for him.  2nd or 3rd round pick depending on how the rest of his season goes.

and the odds of of those 2nd and/or  3 rd picks playing more than 100 NHL games at some point in their careers is???

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5 minutes ago, titans04 said:

and the odds of of those 2nd and/or  3 rd picks playing more than 100 NHL games at some point in their careers is???

Same as any other 2nd or 3rd. 

I think we’re a bit deluded at this point, are we going to say that a 2nd or 3rd isn’t sufficient compensation for 20 games of Wayne Simmonds??

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4 minutes ago, titans04 said:

and the odds of of those 2nd and/or  3 rd picks playing more than 100 NHL games at some point in their careers is???

If it's a second rounder, between 30 and 40 percent.  If it's a third rounder, between 20 and 30 percent. 

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2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Same as any other 2nd or 3rd. 

I think we’re a bit deluded at this point, are we going to say that a 2nd or 3rd isn’t sufficient compensation for 20 games of Wayne Simmonds??

hardly. Point being the odds are long at best for any 2nd or 3rd no matter what gets them here.

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6 minutes ago, titans04 said:

hardly. Point being the odds are long at best for any 2nd or 3rd no matter what gets them here.

So let’s just stop drafting 2nd and 3rd rounders. And let Simmonds stay here and watch us lose instead of getting an asset back. 

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15 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

So let’s just stop drafting 2nd and 3rd rounders. And let Simmonds stay here and watch us lose instead of getting an asset back. 

Dude- Simmonds is neither here nor there. He's placeholder on a garbage team who will be long forgotten before things turn around. And whatever we get for him will more than likely be a AHL'er. The odds of that moving the NHL clubs needle is against the odds. For every 2nd and 3rd round picks that turn into successful NHL plays there are hundreds that don't. Frankly if you want to dig deeper how many have we successfully groomed through affiliated AHL teams over the years? I bet it's a really small %.

Or we can pretend we'll get something for Wayne that will immediately improve the big club.

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