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22 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

As long as that dialogue isn’t “go fvck yourself”.

True, but I'd be more concerned if a pic of him in a dif nhl teams pajamas surfaced.  

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8 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I'm fine with not signing him long term in the off season. Let's see how he plays first after only playing 33 games last year. If he plays like his old self do what you can to sign him and if he doesn't want to resign or and we aren't in the playoff hunt or if he's hurt again for most of the season then trade him and move on. 

I'm already tired of this nonsense and I won't be reading much of it going forward.

He's worth taking the risk. Let's make some moves in the next month, sign him long-term and go.

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11 hours ago, jagknife said:

Holy sh!t I got what I wanted... from both sides...

how about that, @SterioDesign?

mmm i'm confused as to why you're asking me specifically? hahaha I was not part of this part of the discussion at all 

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24 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I'm fine with not signing him long term in the off season. Let's see how he plays first after only playing 33 games last year. If he plays like his old self do what you can to sign him and if he doesn't want to resign or and we aren't in the playoff hunt or if he's hurt again for most of the season then trade him and move on. 

I'm already tired of this nonsense and I won't be reading much of it going forward.

That’s the Zach Parise plan. Sign for one year after your injury to show potential suitors in free agency that you’re “back”.

No thanks. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

That’s the Zach Parise plan. Sign for one year after your injury to show potential suitors in free agency that you’re “back”.

No thanks. 

yeah no fvck that, that's the absolute worst plan, Shero is smarter than that

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55 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

He's worth taking the risk. Let's make some moves in the next month, sign him long-term and go.

 

39 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

That’s the Zach Parise plan. Sign for one year after your injury to show potential suitors in free agency that you’re “back”.

No thanks. 

I would take the risk and sign him but I don't think he's going to sign a long term deal until he sees how the team goes this year so I'm fine with it because it is what it is. 

Would love to be wrong but we'll see soon enough. 

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IMO, and I'm beating a dead horse here, but there's absolutely no way you can go into this season with Hall on the team if he's not extended.  

All these scenarios suck:

A. He gets hurt again, his value plummets, we get nothing for him.

B. He plays very well, strings the Devils along all season long and then leaves for nothing.

C. It's awkward all year with tons of gossip and drama surrounding the team, we end up shipping him off at the deadline or something for pennies on the dollar.

At the absolute latest, I think he can't be on this team in November if he hasn't signed an extension.

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3 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

IMO, and I'm beating a dead horse here, but there's absolutely no way you can go into this season with Hall on the team if he's not extended.  

All these scenarios suck:

A. He gets hurt again, his value plummets, we get nothing for him.

B. He plays very well, strings the Devils along all season long and then leaves for nothing.

C. It's awkward all year with tons of gossip and drama surrounding the team, we end up shipping him off at the deadline or something for pennies on the dollar.

At the absolute latest, I think he can't be on this team in November if he hasn't signed an extension.

I think that's a reasonable assessment and plan. I don't think money or term will be an issue, it will be 100% if he wants to stay. If he doesn't, ship him out for the most you can get. 

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in a perfect world Shero and Hall would figure out something soon after the draft so that everyone has more flexibility to move forward... 

cause say we have to trade him we'll want as many teams in the bidding as possible and after july 1st some of those options might be gone. 

But obviously Hall wants to see us making moves BEFORE so it's unlikely the way it's going to go

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20 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

IMO, and I'm beating a dead horse here, but there's absolutely no way you can go into this season with Hall on the team if he's not extended.  

All these scenarios suck:

A. He gets hurt again, his value plummets, we get nothing for him.

B. He plays very well, strings the Devils along all season long and then leaves for nothing.

C. It's awkward all year with tons of gossip and drama surrounding the team, we end up shipping him off at the deadline or something for pennies on the dollar.

At the absolute latest, I think he can't be on this team in November if he hasn't signed an extension.

Yeah I mean none of those scenarios are possible and not exactly the outcomes we would want.  I guess C is the best of the three but these are the 3 worst case scenarios.  We can still ship him out before training camp and get good value out of him or he just re-signs with us.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do and frankly this can easily blow up in Shero's face no matter what he does just as easily as the bricks can all fall into place.  We just have to let things play out and as fans there is really nothing we can do except sit and wait.

Look on the bright side; we are getting a top-tier center in a little less than 3 weeks from now for practically nothing:)

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14 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

in a perfect world Shero and Hall would figure out something soon after the draft so that everyone has more flexibility to move forward... 

cause say we have to trade him we'll want as many teams in the bidding as possible and after july 1st some of those options might be gone. 

But obviously Hall wants to see us making moves BEFORE so it's unlikely the way it's going to go

I agree.  I think Hall re-signing before the draft is foolish on his part and if he does re-sign it will likely be in the August/September time frame.  He wants to see how the draft plays out as well as how free agency pans out for the Devils.  If we make it out of this summer with Hughes along with any combo of Trouba/Eberle/Panarin/Karlsson/etc (I know some of those names are very unlikely) I think he will likely re-sign.

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Finally, there has to be some trepidation by Shero in regards to re-signing Hall to a massive contract.  Back in December this was a no-brainer for Shero to back the truck full of money to Hall's doorstep.  Now, you have to think Shero might be worried about if Hall becomes a player where you can only reasonably expect a max of 60-65 games a season.

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34 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Look on the bright side; we are getting a top-tier center in a little less than 3 weeks from now for practically nothing:)

At the cost of our souls for an entire hockey season, actually lol. 

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35 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I agree.  I think Hall re-signing before the draft is foolish on his part and if he does re-sign it will likely be in the August/September time frame.  He wants to see how the draft plays out as well as how free agency pans out for the Devils.  If we make it out of this summer with Hughes along with any combo of Trouba/Eberle/Panarin/Karlsson/etc (I know some of those names are very unlikely) I think he will likely re-sign.

I mean, he knows we have the #1OA. Does he care how the rest of the draft goes? He's surely not going to base his decision on what guys we draft in the 3rd and 4th round.

Draft Hughes, sign his bff Eberle, and if he still doesn't commit, as we say here in Staten Island, "fvck that guy". 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

I mean, he knows we have the #1OA. Does he care how the rest of the draft goes? He's surely not going to base his decision on what guys we draft in the 3rd and 4th round.

Draft Hughes, sign his bf Eberle, and if he still doesn't commit, as we say here in Staten Island, "fvck that guy". 

I was thinking more of what Shero does with those extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.  I can imagine he is likely not keeping all of them and will be traded for an actual roster player from a team looking to shed salary.

It likely will not move the needle much, but it is something.

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Just now, DevsMan84 said:

I was thinking more of what Shero does with those extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.  I can imagine he is likely not keeping all of them and will be traded for an actual roster player from a team looking to shed salary.

It likely will not move the needle much, but it is something.

Personally, I think he already has his mind made up one way or the other. If the direction of the team was his primary concern, he'd have to be completely turned off by last offseason. But I hope I'm wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said:

IMO, and I'm beating a dead horse here, but there's absolutely no way you can go into this season with Hall on the team if he's not extended.  

All these scenarios suck:

A. He gets hurt again, his value plummets, we get nothing for him.

B. He plays very well, strings the Devils along all season long and then leaves for nothing.

C. It's awkward all year with tons of gossip and drama surrounding the team, we end up shipping him off at the deadline or something for pennies on the dollar.

At the absolute latest, I think he can't be on this team in November if he hasn't signed an extension.

While I don't like or want any of those scenarios to happen, option C might not result in shipping him off for pennies on the dollar.  Lots of teams tend to overpay at the deadline, particularly those who are in contention and/or trying to make a legitimate Cup run, so he may bring back a good return at that point.  Granted it may have to have a contingency that he signs a contract with them, but that's not at all unheard of in this day and age.  Again, I don't want this to happen.  Just sayin'

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59 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Personally, I think he already has his mind made up one way or the other. If the direction of the team was his primary concern, he'd have to be completely turned off by last offseason. But I hope I'm wrong. 

Why would he be completely turned off by last season?  True, we didn't have the season we wanted, but HE was the main reason for that.  He has to know he's the/a cornerstone of this team - some players are cool with that,  I thought he was one of them - I guess we'll find out.

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this is going to be a long summer, debating all of these possibilities with hall. All of this because one guy posted some nonsense article. 

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10 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Why would he be completely turned off by last season?  True, we didn't have the season we wanted, but HE was the main reason for that.  He has to know he's the/a cornerstone of this team - some players are cool with that,  I thought he was one of them - I guess we'll find out.

You misread what i wrote. Last OFFSEASON. As in, we drafted Ty Smith and then didn't do anything else. If, in fact, he is looking for us to do something to show him we are making our best effort to win, then drafting a good prospect and accomplishing little else probably isn't what he wants to see. 

 

10 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said:

this is going to be a long summer, debating all of these possibilities with hall. All of this because one guy posted some nonsense article. 

It would have been with or without the article. 

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2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

You misread what i wrote. Last OFFSEASON. As in, we drafted Ty Smith and then didn't do anything else. If, in fact, he is looking for us to do something to show him we are making our best effort to win, then drafting a good prospect and accomplishing little else probably isn't what he wants to see. 

Whoops.  My bad.

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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

This part makes me a little more hopeful...

But what one should also take into consideration is what Hall said immediately after expressing his dismay over one playoff appearance in his thus-far nine-year career: “You also want to be cognizant of the process and not go chasing after the wrong situation.”

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he wants to win and to have big money. All that is more than fair. The last part is not really a problem for the Devils right now. The first one, it all depends on how much he trust Ray & the Staff.

As the article says, it will be difficult to find a team that offer as much money and a strong team to win now.
I'm as sure he signs with us that we draft Hugues in 2 weeks ! 

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3 hours ago, moustic said:

he wants to win and to have big money. All that is more than fair. The last part is not really a problem for the Devils right now. The first one, it all depends on how much he trust Ray & the Staff.

As the article says, it will be difficult to find a team that offer as much money and a strong team to win now.
I'm as sure he signs with us that we draft Hugues in 2 weeks ! 

I don’t know the details of every team’s cap hit, but I find it hard to believe there’s not at least 2-3 contenders that could make a space for him at a price that makes him happy. 

EDIT: While looking at teams with a lot of cap, I noticed there’s a definite correlation between having a lot of available money and not making the playoffs/being a borderline playoff team. Generally speaking, all of the really good teams that went deep the last couple years have very little cap space. 

There are at least 5 playoff teams that had enough space this year that, combined with a couple dollars coming off on expiring deals, would have enough to pay Hall what we would, minus year 8. 

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