Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 40 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: Well it's funny how he only comes out with this nugget NOW, after they met. The writing's on the wall at this point but this is probably going to be a slow, painful ripping of the band-aid. People expecting a trade this weekend are going to be dissapointed. Teams don't have as much cap room banked early in the season plus it's still November, I don't really think any GM that did a ton of win-now moves in the offseason is rushing to cash out barely a month into that season. The fact that it’s a dumpster fire of a team doesn’t help things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 well this is depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It's looking more like the Devils' timeline for being a contending team is a bit further down the road than we thought, so trading Hall is only making more sense. I think trading Hall for a package similar to what Mark Stone got last season would be a really good thing. There are a lot of talented, young defensemen that have yet to break into the league, many of which can be trade targets. And possibly even better is the idea of trading for a young goalie that can be a long term solution. Some teams (e.g. Montreal, Vancouver, and to a lesser extent Columbus) may be willing to part with one in a package for a star player like Hall. I think Vancouver could be a very good trade partner for the Devils. They are ready to contend now, and they've got a lot of talent in their system. DiPietro, Demko, Podkolzin, Jet Woo, Nils Hoglander, and probably a couple of others could be good targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said: The writing's on the wall at this point but this is probably going to be a slow, painful ripping of the band-aid. People expecting a trade this weekend are going to be dissapointed. Teams don't have as much cap room banked early in the season plus it's still November, I don't really think any GM that did a ton of win-now moves in the offseason is rushing to cash out barely a month into that season. Yeah Ray made the moves he did for a reason...he thought that they would help the team take a step forward. He’s not going to bail on his current vision in early November. GMs rarely operate on the same time table that fans do. But it’s impossible not to be concerned about PK and Goose. And as much as I do like Shero in general, it’s fair to say that his luck lately hasn’t been terribly good...he makes moves that make sense, only to see them not work out as hoped...seems like that started with MoJo and Mueller, and might very well be continuing with PK and Goose. Hope the latter two get it going by the end of this month. As for Hall...it’s a bummer for sure that it looks more and more like he won’t be here beyond this season, but the guy will have trade value (as long as he stays healthy)...of course, you don’t tend to get as much back as you’d like, but I don’t see Shero just letting him walk at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 15 hours ago, devlman said: I officially am of the opinion that Hall should be traded. Get some valuable young pieces to add to this core. He’s not a winner and he's injury prone. Best to trade him now to add to our rebuild, get his cancerous attitude away from the young players and get value for him before his inevitable long-term injury occurs. It’s fine if you’re not happy about the state of the team so far, but how exactly is Hall cancerous? Other than the comments about the boos that were way overblown, he hasn’t been bitching about being a Devil or publicly lobbying to be dealt. There’s been times where I’ve wondered about how much of a “winner” he is, but his MVP season proved that he can definitely play a huge role in helping a team win. I can’t put it all on him that he’s been in multiple bad situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: It’s fine if you’re not happy about the state of the team so far, but how exactly is Hall cancerous? Other than the comments about the boos that were way overblown, he hasn’t been bitching about being a Devil or publicly lobbying to be dealt. There’s been times where I’ve wondered about how much of a “winner” he is, but his MVP season proved that he can definitely play a huge role in helping a team win. I can’t put it all on him that he’s been in multiple bad situations. You don’t like where the team is, that falls on two people, Shero and Hynes. It’s their job to build a winner and get the team to perform to be a winner. In four years they have proven they can’t do it, and not by a long shot, but ownership is sticking with Ray for at least another five years and Hynes isn’t going anywhere. I wouldn’t want to be here for the rest of my career either if I were Hall. The only thing we can do is not go to games or chant Fire Ray and Fire Hynes if you have to go to the games. The Devils organization tolerates and is content with losing. Something I never thought I’d hear myself say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Taylor is not worth the money he's going to get paid. 1 good season with us doesn't warrant 11mil x 8 or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Taylor is not worth the money he's going to get paid. 1 good season with us doesn't warrant 11mil x 8 or something like that. Until he wins 3 Cups with the Avs and all we get in return is a crummy draft pick who Hynes, in his eighth year with the team will refuse to play and probably sucks anyway, and Nikita Zadorov because any defenseman is an improvement over the horrid group Ray has constructed this far. Edited November 10, 2019 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Taylor is not worth the money he's going to get paid. 1 good season with us doesn't warrant 11mil x 8 or something like that. PPG players don’t grow on trees. I honestly think he’s worth the money even with his age/injuries. He drives play nearly as good as anyone in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: It’s fine if you’re not happy about the state of the team so far, but how exactly is Hall cancerous? Other than the comments about the boos that were way overblown, he hasn’t been bitching about being a Devil or publicly lobbying to be dealt. There’s been times where I’ve wondered about how much of a “winner” he is, but his MVP season proved that he can definitely play a huge role in helping a team win. I can’t put it all on him that he’s been in multiple bad situations. Daniel every day be like: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nicomo said: PPG players don’t grow on trees. I honestly think he’s worth the money even with his age/injuries. He drives play nearly as good as anyone in the league. I think I’d go 9 with hall, cap out at 10, but definitely not 11. that being said, i wish this drama would end already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: Daniel every day be like: Every day I’m proven correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: It’s fine if you’re not happy about the state of the team so far, but how exactly is Hall cancerous? Other than the comments about the boos that were way overblown, he hasn’t been bitching about being a Devil or publicly lobbying to be dealt. There’s been times where I’ve wondered about how much of a “winner” he is, but his MVP season proved that he can definitely play a huge role in helping a team win. I can’t put it all on him that he’s been in multiple bad situations. I’m overblowing things with the cancerous part, but just said it because of his track record of losing, and his frankly sub par performances this year. He’s supposed to be a leader yet commits tons of turnovers being careless with the puck. If your leader is doing that then it’s going to rub off on the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, devlman said: his frankly sub par performances this year. One point off from being PPG on the season. You might want to readjust your definition of “sub par”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Daniel said: You don’t like where the team is, that falls on two people, Shero and Hynes. It’s their job to build a winner and get the team to perform to be a winner. In four years they have proven they can’t do it, and not by a long shot, but ownership is sticking with Ray for at least another five years and Hynes isn’t going anywhere. I wouldn’t want to be here for the rest of my career either if I were Hall. The only thing we can do is not go to games or chant Fire Ray and Fire Hynes if you have to go to the games. The Devils organization tolerates and is content with losing. Something I never thought I’d hear myself say. Maybe it’s time you found another team... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Maybe it’s time you found another team... Better off being no team. But I’ll ask you, what has Shero done in four going on five years here or during his time in Pittsburgh that tells you he knows how to build a winning team besides getting no brainer draft picks? When Dallas fleeced Chiarelli, at least they were able to do something with it. We got one playoff win, and likely Zadarov and crap for Hall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Daniel said: Better off being no team. But I’ll ask you, what has Shero done in four going on five years here or during his time in Pittsburgh that tells you he knows how to build a winning team besides getting no brainer draft picks? When Dallas fleeced Chiarelli, at least they were able to do something with it. We got one playoff win, and likely Zadarov and crap for Hall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, MB3 said: https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2015.html Excellent. And he’s had two out of four seasons where the team’s record was worse, and this year is heading towards just as poor a finish. And Hynes will still be here because he believes coaches don’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Daniel said: Or just move the team to another city where they can drive another fanbase insane and steal their money. Even though I'm completely soured on this season I would never, ever go this far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Daniel said: The Devils organization tolerates and is content with losing. Something I never thought I’d hear myself say. not saying this is true, but if so then...were just gonna be a farm team for the nhl, a mickey mouse club if you will. devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, MB3 said: oh for fvcks sake shut up the lot of you Bunch of drama queens, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Any questions to anybody on this from our beat writers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Daniel said: Any questions to anybody on this from our beat writers? Our beat writers don't make waves, you'll have better luck of Brooks asking him when we play the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, jagknife said: I think I’d go 9 with hall, cap out at 10, but definitely not 11. I'd pay him 11.5 for 7 if he decided this month... unfortunately he doesn't want it.. Edited November 11, 2019 by EdgeControl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 10 hours ago, jagknife said: I think I’d go 9 with hall, cap out at 10, but definitely not 11. 11 minutes ago, EdgeControl said: I'd pay him 11.5 for 7 if he decided this month... unfortunately he doesn't want it.. Sorry, but he’s probably getting $11m from someone, he isn’t signing here for $9m or $10m. The only shot we’d have is overwhelming him with cash ($11.5m is a good number) times 8 years, and even that is unlikely to be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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