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3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

For the record i want Hynes gone too.

I just know that if nothing is done right that there must be a reason. Something is obviously brewing, there's no way Shero sees this and think things are fine, there's a reason Tom went behind the bench for awhile.

I’m glad you are too.

I’m beyond tired of waiting and watching (or hearing about in yesterday’s case) listless efforts game in and game out.

How many times did we all vent to one another last year that “if they put out 60 full minutes of hockey, we’d be a lot better”? Same crap goes for this season, and as the mountain gets steeper, and literally nothing changes, I’m getting more and more fed up up the chain. 

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Just now, jagknife said:

I’m glad you are too.

I’m beyond tired of waiting and watching (or hearing about in yesterday’s case) listless efforts game in and game out.

How many times did we all vent to one another last year that “if they put out 60 full minutes of hockey, we’d be a lot better”? Same crap goes for this season, and as the mountain gets steeper, and literally nothing changes, I’m getting more and more fed up up the chain. 

I mean, right now i see it the same way as 2 summers ago when fans were bitching that Shero was sitting on his ass not doing anything. Obviously he was not sitting on his ass not doing anything. There's so much sh!t going on in the background that we have no idea about. I suspect the same thing is happening right now.

Shero fired Therrien in Pittsburgh when things was not going in the right direction. He did it before but he had a good replacement in place for that.

For the record as much as i'm protective of Shero right now. I'm probably the one faulting him the most here for not dealing with the whole Hall thing before the season started. I knew once we started the season with him that we were risking way too much. But i also know it's the first time he let that go for that long so i know there's likely a logical explanation in the background. 

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20 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

You can intend anything you want, it’s irrelevant if Hall does not intend to re-sign, and that’s pretty clearly the case. If he was going to sign, it would be done already. 

Both of those moves need to be made now, but the order of those moves is completely irrelevant. 

Unless hand picking his own coach would make him want to stay and you’re willing to give him that power. 

Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean now - because I think Hynes should have been fired a while ago.  At the present time, it would seem too little too late, but I absolutely believe Hynes should have gone first.  Now, it appears they'll both be gone eventually.

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8 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

I mean, right now i see it the same way as 2 summers ago when fans were bitching that Shero was sitting on his ass not doing anything. Obviously he was not sitting on his ass not doing anything. There's so much sh!t going on in the background that we have no idea about. I suspect the same thing is happening right now.

Shero fired Therrien in Pittsburgh when things was not going in the right direction. He did it before but he had a good replacement in place for that.

For the record as much as i'm protective of Shero right now. I'm probably the one faulting him the most here for not dealing with the whole Hall thing before the season started. I knew once we started the season with him that we were risking way too much. But i also know it's the first time he let that go for that long so i know there's likely a logical explanation in the background. 

The reason I find inactivity to be worse now rather than two summers ago is the results are literally speaking for themselves right now. Right now, we're playing like dog sh!t. Right now, we're wasting points and watching anything resembling playoffs disappear. Right now, we have a listless team that cant get themselves up for a freaking rivalry game which they controlled nearly every aspect of just a month ago. This team didn't just suddenly forget how to play hockey, and they certainly didn't forget how to get up for a game. I think it is in part a mutiny, regardless of how much our powder puff writers say "they love the coach", you don't stop being motivated unless you hate the coach or you simply don't give a sh!t.

I know I stopped trying as hard when my new boss took over cause he was a piece of sh!t and took all of the credit for things he kept us at work and away from our families for. Maybe this is a reach or maybe the similarities actually exist there, but upward discipline exists and we could be seeing it on the ice.

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8 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

I mean, right now i see it the same way as 2 summers ago when fans were bitching that Shero was sitting on his ass not doing anything. Obviously he was not sitting on his ass not doing anything. There's so much sh!t going on in the background that we have no idea about. I suspect the same thing is happening right now.

Shero fired Therrien in Pittsburgh when things was not going in the right direction. He did it before but he had a good replacement in place for that.

For the record as much as i'm protective of Shero right now. I'm probably the one faulting him the most here for not dealing with the whole Hall thing before the season started. I knew once we started the season with him that we were risking way too much. But i also know it's the first time he let that go for that long so i know there's likely a logical explanation in the background. 

You're still missing the nuances that go into these decisions...you keep taking the same flawed approach in trying to take a "one size fits all approach" to these matters. 

With Lou, he thought most of his teams from 2004-on were legit SC contenders, especially since he figured that he had the goalie who had already proved that he could take them there.  So he took a "home run" approach most of the time...he felt that he might as well go with the players that he was most comfortable with, even if it meant that yes, he could eventually lose them for nothing as UFAs in the offseason...he wasn't interested in moving those guys for picks or prospects that may or may not help him down the line, or couldn't help the current product...Lou was living in the right now throughout that stretch, all the time.  I'm not endorsing or criticizing this approach, or inviting a debate on it...just saying that's what his thinking was. 

This situation is simply not the same.  We've already been over the fact that Hall's injury (which you keep overlooking, if not flat-out ignoring) made things more complicated, especially from a trade value standpoint...but I think this was a simple case of there being enough communication between Shero and Hall's party that Shero believed that Hall would be open to staying, as long as Shero could build a team that could at least be a consistent threat to make the playoffs sooner than later.  I think Shero relished this challenge and did what he could to try to make that happen.

We'll never know what Shero's Plan A was, if it actually involved Subban and Gusev (and to a lesser extent Simmonds, though he was clearly meant to be a short-term move), or if those were Plan B/C moves once other players were off the board, but he was clearly willing to take some gambles to show Hall that he meant business. 

So to recap, Shero's gambles were the following: 

1) Hope that Schneider and Blackwood could continue off what both had shown in the closing weeks of the season.

RESULT:  Almost complete failure, mostly because Cory went into pure sh!tstorm mode yet again.  I don't blame Blackwood as much because, as Neb00rs has pointed out a couple of times, Cory sh!tting the bed yet AGAIN forced Blackwood to try to become a #1 goalie on a team that has plenty of issues in front of him.  To Shero's credit, he did about as much as he could in a situation like this (so early in the season)...he got Cory the fvck out of here and brought in a goalie who at least had some NHL experience (and I think offers more than Lack could have)...not like Shero was going to find a major upgrade.  Credit to Shero for not letting Cory's contract continue to give him endless chances to play.

 

2) Hope that Subban's overall down year (which looks even worse when one sees that he basically disappeared offensively after a solid start) was a blip, and that he could regain his 2017-18 form. 

RESULT:  More and more, it's becoming clear that Nashville didn't mind not getting a sexy return for Subban because they just wanted to get a declining Subban off their team and that money off their books...sure, of course they wanted money to spend elsewhere, but it's obvious that they knew a hell of a lot more about Subban than the Devils did, and Subban's lack of offense is a continued trend from last season...in his last 59 regular season games, he now has 7 goals and 11 assists (and no points in his last 13 GP).  I won't kill Shero for this one, but this deal looks more disastrous by the day...the kind that can shake a player like Hall's confidence that his GM really knows what he's doing, or is capable of finding the right pieces in trying to move forward.  Subban is a major setback.

 

3) Hope that Jack Hughes could be the kind of kid that could almost skip the develop cycle and pay dividends almost immediately (like we've seen in rare cases).

RESULT:  I think the guy will absolutely be a star player, but it's obviously not going to happen immediately.  Tri had him picking up about 40 points (assuming he plays close to a full season's slate of games of course), and it's starting to look like he might be right (I'm still hoping Jack gets on a roll at some point this year, where it seems like it's all clicking, but I don't think that this year's roster will allow for that...and of course now he's hurt).

 

4) Hope that his hand-picked coach in Hynes is still the guy to grow with this team and help make it a playoff contender.

RESULT:  Not much needs to be said here that hasn't been already.  He's gotta go.  Should've happened already.  Hall has always had good things to say about him, but that hardly matters anymore.  The team should simply be better than it is, and Hynes appears to have no answers at all for anything. 

 

So basically, as many GMs will do, Shero took some risks that he thought would pay off...one of them being that he'd be able to keep Hall (as long as Hall showed that he was healthy) if Shero made the right moves to propel the Devils forward.  Unfortunately, as has happened with Shero's personnel moves a lot lately, not much has gone his way...and I feel for him big-time there, because he hasn't made a single move that had me screaming "What the fvck is he doing?!"...for all of the luck he got in getting two overall #1 picks to work with, he's been pretty unlucky elsewhere...to me, that all started with MoJo (a move that was a no-brainer at the time).  Even though now that I've done more research on Subban and can see that this deal had blow-up potential, I didn't feel that way at the time, and like I've said in other posts, the Devils had enough soon-to-come-off money on the books that taking on Subban's cap hit wasn't going to cripple them like it might other teams.  I understood taking the chance when Shero did. 

Like I've said in other posts, the good news here is that, unlike Lou and his teams (or more how he perceived those teams), Shero is not going to gamble on a non-existent playoff run, or that by keeping Hall though the end of the year, that he can re-sign him...the Devils aren't fully dead yet, but once they are, and it's no longer debatable that Hall's future doesn't involve the Devils, Shero will deal him off.  This won't be a case of losing him for nothing...yes, he can get hurt, but any player not named Marleau can get hurt at any time.  And if/when a deal is getting close, I'm sure Shero will sit Hall down and not risk losing him to injury.  I think as a GM who was very open to keeping Hall around and did try to expedite putting a team that convince Hall to stay, Shero's played this pretty well.  I don't have any qualms with how he's handled Hall one bit, I really don't. 

Of course, why in fvck Hynes is still here...

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

You're still missing the nuances that go into these decisions...you keep taking the same flawed approach in trying to take a "one size fits all approach" to these matters. 

You understand that im criticizing Lou for taking a flawed approach "one size fits all approach" with how he dealt with UFAs right? And i'm the one saying for some players he had to approach it differently.

And you're criticizing me for taking a "flawed one size fits all approach" with how i see things? lol

If anything let's look at history and realize this is not a hindsight 20/20 ridiculous statement at all. Almost every time Lou or Shero went against the way i've been preaching, it bite them in the ass. (Well Shero not yet but it might). There's no downside to it, if you want to keep the guy just get it done early like Shero has been doing so far. Or like most GM ever did it.

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33 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

You understand that im criticizing Lou for taking a flawed approach "one size fits all approach" with how he dealt with UFAs right? And i'm the one saying for some players he had to approach it differently.

And you're criticizing me for taking a "flawed one size fits all approach" with how i see things? lol

If anything let's look at history and realize this is not a hindsight 20/20 ridiculous statement at all. Almost every time Lou or Shero went against the way i've been preaching, it bite them in the ass. (Well Shero not yet but it might). There's no downside to it, if you want to keep the guy just get it done early like Shero has been doing so far. Or like most GM ever did it.

I type a long detailed post with full explanations (to flesh your "logical explanation" as to why Shero took this path with Hall), and this is the response?  I like ya dude, I do, but your teenaged responses at times...goddamn...

C'mon, you know what I was talking about...you've always taken a pretty "one right way" stance when it comes to handling UFAs.  It's why you're getting on Shero for not doing it your way this time.  Like I and others have mentioned and like I just detailed in my previous post, there's a number of friggin' VERY VALID REASONS why Shero didn't "get it done early" in this particular situation, and you're pretty much ignoring all of that and way oversimplifying. 

So I'll simplify my previous post...Shero took some gambles, one of which was that if his other gambles worked, and Hall was healthy and productive, and the team was playing well, then Hall could re-sign with the Devils in-season, and Shero could feel a lot better about paying Hall what figured to be a hell of a lot of coin.  The gambles haven't paid off.  Shero can still deal off Hall, and if anything, Hall's at least been productive enough that some team should be willing to take a chance on him, either as a rental or re-signing...maybe Shero doesn't get as much for him as we would've liked, but again, given that he was INJURED and had missed a boatload of games last season, the same likely would've held true in this past offseason, had Shero tried to move him then.   

You're not saying this exactly, but you're making it sound like Shero has already screwed this up because he didn't strictly adhere to the SD way. 

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Colorado seems to just make too much sense.

Sakic is tough, though.  Not sure how much value you're going to get out of him.

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22 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Colorado seems to just make too much sense.

Sakic is tough, though.  Not sure how much value you're going to get out of him.

It’ll obviously depend on if they can sign Hall to an extension. 

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6 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I type a long detailed post with full explanations (to flesh your "logical explanation" as to why Shero took this path with Hall), and this is the response?  I like ya dude, I do, but your teenaged responses at times...goddamn...

C'mon, you know what I was talking about...you've always taken a pretty "one right way" stance when it comes to handling UFAs.  It's why you're getting on Shero for not doing it your way this time.  Like I and others have mentioned and like I just detailed in my previous post, there's a number of friggin' VERY VALID REASONS why Shero didn't "get it done early" in this particular situation, and you're pretty much ignoring all of that and way oversimplifying. 

So I'll simplify my previous post...Shero took some gambles, one of which was that if his other gambles worked, and Hall was healthy and productive, and the team was playing well, then Hall could re-sign with the Devils in-season, and Shero could feel a lot better about paying Hall what figured to be a hell of a lot of coin.  The gambles haven't paid off.  Shero can still deal off Hall, and if anything, Hall's at least been productive enough that some team should be willing to take a chance on him, either as a rental or re-signing...maybe Shero doesn't get as much for him as we would've liked, but again, given that he was INJURED and had missed a boatload of games last season, the same likely would've held true in this past offseason, had Shero tried to move him then.   

You're not saying this exactly, but you're making it sound like Shero has already screwed this up because he didn't strictly adhere to the SD way. 

Dude to be honest i'm sorry but i barely read your post. Do you have an idea how exhausted I am to have long discussions with you about this specific subject? lol What's the point? We've been having this same conversation literally over a hundred times... for what? 10 years? We just don't see things the same way and we'll never agree on that subject. You think you're right and i think i am.

I've learn that it's a dead end and I don't quote you when you mention something about it here and i don't quite understand why you still try to engage with me about this every time lol

Plus nobody here want to read this either

Love you

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Who would you take off Colorado?

There seems to be a lot of depth , would love to have Landeskog, but I doubt that they are willing to give him up. 

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1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Colorado seems to just make too much sense.

Sakic is tough, though.  Not sure how much value you're going to get out of him.

I’ve been saying to family and friends since a trade seemed most likely that he’d definitely be going to Colorado.  To me it makes more sense than pretty much all other teams combined.  They started the season off on a tear and cooled down a bit but that team is loaded and with all the young talent you know they’ll somehow land hall and the devils will get $hit in return.  That will just be the icing on the cake or the cherry on top or whatever the fvck you want to call it.  It’s gonna be a reverse uno Adam Larsson card and the Devils will get screwed.

Then you just know Colorado will win the cup and that god damn mother fvcking piece of $hit hynes (lower-case h to show him absolutely zero respect) will still have his fvcking job, as will Ray $hito (at least I gave him capital letters)

Think I’m a bit sick of this $hit by now and pretty much what I’ve fvcking dealt with for over a decade?  Yeah, yeah the fvck I am.  If my anger doesn’t penetrate through the screen of this fvcking iPhone and onto the message board then nothing will.  Sorry, I’m just a tad bit angry, if you couldn’t tell.

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18 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

For the record i want Hynes gone too.

I just know that if nothing is done right that there must be a reason. Something is obviously brewing, there's no way Shero sees this and think things are fine, there's a reason Tom went behind the bench for awhile.

And everyone else's point is that if Shero hasn't made the move, it's either because he doesn't think Hynes should be fired or he has no viable options in place to replace him since all of the assistants aren't qualified.   Both reflect very poorly on him. 

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28 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Who would you take off Colorado?

There seems to be a lot of depth , would love to have Landeskog, but I doubt that they are willing to give him up. 

I'd be trying to get Bowen Byram out of them for a start.

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30 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Who would you take off Colorado?

There seems to be a lot of depth , would love to have Landeskog, but I doubt that they are willing to give him up. 

With Colorado, it would seem to be Byram or bust and I would be willing to do it one for one. Alex Newhook should not be what the team needs and Connor Timmins is a RHD where the team seems to be dead set on having 3 RHDs and 3 LHDs if at all possible.  And I do not want Martin Kaut and a slew of picks the team absolutely should not need if you have any faith at all in your scouting staff (not to mention that Kaut makes Pavel Zacha look like Jagr).  Every Colorado fan you talk to says they wouldn't trade Byram a million years, so the only way it happens is to get some kind of bidding war going.  However, Byram's point totals being down so far this year might change Colorado's perspective.

Unfortunately, Shero seems to value his loyalty to Hynes over maximizing the return for Hall since Hynes has been dragging down everyone on the team except for Blake Coleman.  But I'm sure playing Hall on the third line is some 4D chess move that none of us sees.

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2 hours ago, Aitchmack said:

I'd be trying to get Bowen Byram out of them for a start.

Not going to happen. 

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15 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Dude to be honest i'm sorry but i barely read your post. Do you have an idea how exhausted I am to have long discussions with you about this specific subject? lol What's the point? We've been having this same conversation literally over a hundred times... for what? 10 years? We just don't see things the same way and we'll never agree on that subject. You think you're right and i think i am.

I've learn that it's a dead end and I don't quote you when you mention something about it here and i don't quite understand why you still try to engage with me about this every time lol

Plus nobody here want to read this either

Love you

Read the full response...only the first two paragraphs address the above.

You really shouldn't post certain things then, if people aren't allowed to expand on an idea you present, in an effort fill in your blanks.  You were the one who posted "logical explanation" without attempting to clarify what you meant by that.  So I presented a most logical explanation of my own.

You missed the point entirely...I presented a thorough case as to why this particular situation (Shero's handling of Hall) wasn't so cut-and-dried, and you didn't even bother to read it.  This wasn't about debating Lou's MO, which is the old "battleground" that we've stayed away from for quite some time...this discussion doesn't deserve to be lumped into those debates.  This was about how Shero was smart to keep his options open with Hall, even if that meant his UFA status was going to spill into the regular season...but as long as you're going to treat just about all UFA situations as the same no matter what else is going on and won't even allow someone to present a thought-out counterpoint, you are right, no one should really try to discuss these situations with you. 

BUT, I'll readily admit that Hall isn't even really the story of 2019-20 anymore at this point.  Barring some last minute miracle (brought about by a coaching change), Shero's going to move him...it's just a question of when.  We'll all debate the return at the appropriate time.  But the season is now about:

1) Shero getting Hynes & Co the fvck out of here.  Yes Ray, it's obvious to everyone that you really wanted this to work with Hynes.  It isn't.  It's over.  It's been over.  You've pretty much let a season of hope die on the vine...not that there's any guarantee that someone else would've turned the team around, but it DEFINITELY wasn't going to happen with Hynes, and despite a mountain's worth of evidence that it reiterated this fact over and over again, Ray chose not to address this in timely fashion...even now, after TWO more "rock bottom" losses in a season chock full of "rock bottoms".   This is definitely a black mark on Ray.

2) Finding out about Blackwood.  Give him #1 minutes for the rest of the season.  Schneider should have no future here, and Domingue is here simply because he's Not-Schneider...it only cost the Devils a 7th-rounder to bring him in as a warm body, and that's all he is...a warm body.  Want to roll with him as a backup for the remainder of this year, fine...does it really matter anymore?  But he probably shouldn't be here beyond this season.

3) Recovering from the Subban disaster.  Ray tried to make the big splash move, but unfortunately, you can make a plenty big splash in the pool by landing ass-first.  This one didn't work.  Maybe somehow this deal looks better as the season goes on, and I'll eat my crow raw if PK somehow bounces back from a lousy start...but I'm sure as hell not seeing it.  Devils are obviously stuck with his rotten cap hit...not a damned thing that they can do about it.  Since it's looking like this season is just about toast, now it's about hoping that his cap hit doesn't screw the Devils up too much in 2020-21 and 2021-22...though of course, now that they won't be paying Hall, and other big money will be coming off the cap...should be plenty of room that PK's money shouldn't hurt much.  We'll see how the new coach handles his playing time (and if there's anything left to tap into).

 

Re:  Hall himself...despite the risks that would have come with keeping him, I was on board with taking the plunge on signing him to a long-term deal...even though I said that his contract was likely to be a bad one (sometimes you just take that shot).  Now it will be someone else's problem.  Not saying that Hall won't have some good years for his new team, but anyone expecting another 2017-18 is likely going to be very disappointed.  Sure, he'll have some fine fine moments.  He'll also have those games where he inexplicably doesn't finish or has his fans endlessly debating his puck luck.  He'll miss his fair share of games.  And what he really needs is to go somewhere where he can be the ultimate complimentary player...yes, he won the MVP in 2018 but I don't think he's a guy who can consistently carry a team year and year out...he's a guy who had one awesome career year and I'm glad that I got to see it happen with the Devils, but I don't think that's the "real" Taylor.  The real Taylor is the one who will have his fans hoping for more than he's giving them...the one who will get (over)paid for that one huge MVP year.  The one who three years into his deal will have his fans saying "Man, we're paying a lot for this guy...not like he sucks, but doesn't seem like he's worth all this coin."  He probably won't get as much slack with his new team as he would've here, especially if that new team is yet another team that's struggling, despite having Hall on its roster.

Part of me will be sorry to see him go, because even if he didn't live up to his deal (either through performance or injury), I would've liked to have seen guys like him and Palms get through the dark days to see legit success later.  To see, say, Hall have a meh-ish regular season one year, but then tear it up in the playoffs, and cement himself as a guy who raised his game when his team needed it most.  Guess in the end, it just wasn't meant to be.  And I'm pretty much ready to see what's next. 

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14 hours ago, Aitchmack said:

I'd be trying to get Bowen Byram out of them for a start.

That'd be a tough sell - Hall would have to be willing to immediately sign an extension for Colorado to even consider that.

He'd be a fool to NOT sign an extension with Colorado if he truly wants to win a cup within the next 5 years, imo, but who knows what Hall is thinking.

If he's hell-bent on going to UFA and screwing us on his way out.. then there's zero chance we're getting a player like Byram.

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23 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Read the full response...only the first two paragraphs address the above.

You really shouldn't post certain things then, if people aren't allowed to expand on an idea you present, in an effort fill in your blanks.  You were the one who posted "logical explanation" without attempting to clarify what you meant by that.  So I presented a most logical explanation of my own.

You missed the point entirely...I presented a thorough case as to why this particular situation (Shero's handling of Hall) wasn't so cut-and-dried, and you didn't even bother to read it.  This wasn't about debating Lou's MO, which is the old "battleground" that we've stayed away from for quite some time...this discussion doesn't deserve to be lumped into those debates.  This was about how Shero was smart to keep his options open with Hall, even if that meant his UFA status was going to spill into the regular season...but as long as you're going to treat just about all UFA situations as the same no matter what else is going on and won't even allow someone to present a thought-out counterpoint, you are right, no one should really try to discuss these situations with you. 

BUT, I'll readily admit that Hall isn't even really the story of 2019-20 anymore at this point.  Barring some last minute miracle (brought about by a coaching change), Shero's going to move him...it's just a question of when.  We'll all debate the return at the appropriate time.  But the season is now about:

1) Shero getting Hynes & Co the fvck out of here.  Yes Ray, it's obvious to everyone that you really wanted this to work with Hynes.  It isn't.  It's over.  It's been over.  You've pretty much let a season of hope die on the vine...not that there's any guarantee that someone else would've turned the team around, but it DEFINITELY wasn't going to happen with Hynes, and despite a mountain's worth of evidence that it reiterated this fact over and over again, Ray chose not to address this in timely fashion...even now, after TWO more "rock bottom" losses in a season chock full of "rock bottoms".   This is definitely a black mark on Ray.

2) Finding out about Blackwood.  Give him #1 minutes for the rest of the season.  Schneider should have no future here, and Domingue is here simply because he's Not-Schneider...it only cost the Devils a 7th-rounder to bring him in as a warm body, and that's all he is...a warm body.  Want to roll with him as a backup for the remainder of this year, fine...does it really matter anymore?  But he probably shouldn't be here beyond this season.

3) Recovering from the Subban disaster.  Ray tried to make the big splash move, but unfortunately, you can make a plenty big splash in the pool by landing ass-first.  This one didn't work.  Maybe somehow this deal looks better as the season goes on, and I'll eat my crow raw if PK somehow bounces back from a lousy start...but I'm sure as hell not seeing it.  Devils are obviously stuck with his rotten cap hit...not a damned thing that they can do about it.  Since it's looking like this season is just about toast, now it's about hoping that his cap hit doesn't screw the Devils up too much in 2020-21 and 2021-22...though of course, now that they won't be paying Hall, and other big money will be coming off the cap...should be plenty of room that PK's money shouldn't hurt much.  We'll see how the new coach handles his playing time (and if there's anything left to tap into).

 

Re:  Hall himself...despite the risks that would have come with keeping him, I was on board with taking the plunge on signing him to a long-term deal...even though I said that his contract was likely to be a bad one (sometimes you just take that shot).  Now it will be someone else's problem.  Not saying that Hall won't have some good years for his new team, but anyone expecting another 2017-18 is likely going to be very disappointed.  Sure, he'll have some fine fine moments.  He'll also have those games where he inexplicably doesn't finish or has his fans endlessly debating his puck luck.  He'll miss his fair share of games.  And what he really needs is to go somewhere where he can be the ultimate complimentary player...yes, he won the MVP in 2018 but I don't think he's a guy who can consistently carry a team year and year out...he's a guy who had one awesome career year and I'm glad that I got to see it happen with the Devils, but I don't think that's the "real" Taylor.  The real Taylor is the one who will have his fans hoping for more than he's giving them...the one who will get (over)paid for that one huge MVP year.  The one who three years into his deal will have his fans saying "Man, we're paying a lot for this guy...not like he sucks, but doesn't seem like he's worth all this coin."  He probably won't get as much slack with his new team as he would've here, especially if that new team is yet another team that's struggling, despite having Hall on its roster.

Part of me will be sorry to see him go, because even if he didn't live up to his deal (either through performance or injury), I would've liked to have seen guys like him and Palms get through the dark days to see legit success later.  To see, say, Hall have a meh-ish regular season one year, but then tear it up in the playoffs, and cement himself as a guy who raised his game when his team needed it most.  Guess in the end, it just wasn't meant to be.  And I'm pretty much ready to see what's next. 

No cause we already talked about how Shero handled this one a few days ago dude, we talked about how you think the injury thing is important and i said how i didn't see it as a big thing remember? i knew it was not as cut and dry. And maybe we'll get a great return for him, who knows. But i already know what you thought about it.

And no i don't see it as cut and dry as you think and not all UFAs should be treated like that. I wish you'd remember that based on all the discussions we had. But depending on the player and the situation of the team, some you gotta play hard ball. The Hall situation the way I see it, he shouldn't have taken the risk based on the state of the team, we need all the assets in the world to rebuild, losing Hall for less than what he's worth is a big step back in our rebuild. Then based on Hall's injury history, you shouldn't gamble him getting injured so you can't trade him at the deadline and then you lose him for nothing in the summer. The way i see it we're just not in a situation to gamble that much. I always say, you can gamble your car if you're well off, have another car for your family, have your house paid and make ridiculous  money so you know you can buy another one if you want. But you shouldnt buy your car if you're between jobs, with debts and really need your car to get by. 

I probably sound really black and white with that approach cause it's been almost a decade where the team just can't gamble "gambling their car away". 

As for Hynes yes he needs to go obviously, not sure what Shero has to see to make that happen at this point. There has to be a reason or something being worked out in the background. Shero is not alone either, Tom is with him and there's no they are all happy about it

As for PK, he was never a great dman. He should have never won a norris and that's not the hater in me talking. If you look at that season, he did nothing to deserve a nomination. And the 2nd time he was nominated, he wasn't even the best dman on his team, makes no sense. But the media and voters loves him cause he's flashy. He was a good offensive dman with a huge shot but everyone has figured out his game by now so they can take away his space i guess. Also he's way slower than he was and he never was a smart player, he always relied on his physically and skilled, which is not what it was, so obviously he's struggling now. Thats why smart players last longer even if they are slow, they make good decisions with the puck and are always well positioned, PK is really struggling with that

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Am I the only one skipping all of these giant book-like responses? Not that they’re bad, they are clearly well thought out, it’s just I’m so annoyed by our situation this year I can’t be bothered getting into that much detail. 

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2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Am I the only one skipping all of these giant book-like responses? Not that they’re bad, they are clearly well thought out, it’s just I’m so annoyed by our situation this year I can’t be bothered getting into that much detail. 

I find writing them to be therapeutic in some odd way (and I enjoy writing, period), but I can understand people being so pissed off at this point about the Devils that the last thing that they want to do is read anything in-depth about them.  No offense taken.

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Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I find writing them to be therapeutic in some odd way (and I enjoy writing, period), but I can understand people being so pissed off at this point about the Devils that the last thing that they want to do is read anything in-depth about them.  No offense taken.

None intended, obviously. I’m sure I’ll read them in time, but I am too frustrated right now. I think watching the games right now is the most effort I can muster. 

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55 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

None intended, obviously. I’m sure I’ll read them in time, but I am too frustrated right now. I think watching the games right now is the most effort I can muster. 

Was watching Dumb and Dumber with my wife and daughter (no, not Hynes and Nasreddine behind the bench, the actual MOVIE, with the game on record, to watch after D&D wrapped up)...I checked the score on my phone during the second period, and that was the easiest delete of my life. 

I am not watching tonight.  Sure, I might miss a win, but I need a break.  I was there on Saturday, and between that, last night, this general mess of a season, and the fact that fvcking Hynes is STILL here with Ray having apparently gone into full radio silence, I need to not acknowledge them...even if it's only for one game. 

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