NJDevils1214 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nicomo said: We had Zacha, Maroon, Boyle, and Mueller last season and still weren’t even close. It was lack of talent. Not size. Okay I agree with you. My comment wasn't about New Jersey's overall performance last year though. EDIT: Also, Mueller was out a lot and isn't any good, Boyle never even uses his size he's too nice, Zacha also doesn't use his size, and Maroon did make a difference in his short time here. You can't really compare those guys to big dudes like Byfuglien or Bortuzzo in a physical sense and def not on a level like Colorado's top line(yes I know they are also really skilled too). Edited April 12, 2019 by NJDevils1214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 just from initial reaction its a tough choice olympic ice; finnish skaters are just superior + size; shot vs good hands and good hockey sense, smaller; nhl ice so no prediction but i want kakko but probably they pick hughes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, lazer said: just from initial reaction its a tough choice olympic ice; finnish skaters are just superior + size; shot vs good hands and good hockey sense, smaller; nhl ice so no prediction but i want kakko but probably they pick hughes. Kakko’s skating is not superior to Hughes. Watch some clips of Hughes skate. He’s ridiculously good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nicomo said: Kakko’s skating is not superior to Hughes. Watch some clips of Hughes skate. He’s ridiculously good. Yep, they're saying he's not as fast as McDavid but his skating might actually be better. Edited April 12, 2019 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadevils Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, DJ Eco said: Yep, they're saying he's not as fast as McDavid but his skating might actually be better. The way Hughes moves east-west on his edges and glides looks like he's playing a different sport in some clips. Like a figure skater out there (in a good way). Then you add in his hands and ability to make moves at full speed...makes defenders look silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: Okay I agree with you. My comment wasn't about New Jersey's overall performance last year though. EDIT: Also, Mueller was out a lot and isn't any good, Boyle never even uses his size he's too nice, Zacha also doesn't use his size, and Maroon did make a difference in his short time here. You can't really compare those guys to big dudes like Byfuglien or Bortuzzo in a physical sense and def not on a level like Colorado's top line(yes I know they are also really skilled too). I was going to back up your claim and say the same thing, but you already did - that the other three outside of Maroon never used their size effectively, if at all. They were big guys, but not physical guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I was going to back up your claim and say the same thing, but you already did - that the other three outside of Maroon never used their size effectively, if at all. They were big guys, but not physical guys. Disagree about Boyle. How many goals did he score because of being camped in front of the goal? That’s an effective use of his size. Arguably he also used it for faceoffs also, it’s not all stick work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: Okay I agree with you. My comment wasn't about New Jersey's overall performance last year though. EDIT: Also, Mueller was out a lot and isn't any good, Boyle never even uses his size he's too nice, Zacha also doesn't use his size, and Maroon did make a difference in his short time here. You can't really compare those guys to big dudes like Byfuglien or Bortuzzo in a physical sense and def not on a level like Colorado's top line(yes I know they are also really skilled too). Now you’re changing what you said, which was “NJ is hurting for large bodies.” And I pointed out we had them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Nicomo said: Kakko’s skating is not superior to Hughes. Watch some clips of Hughes skate. He’s ridiculously good. This. Pronman seems to know what he's talking about - he had this to say about Kakko's skating: For me his skating is about average, maybe a half-tick above, but it’s not what drives his value. He’s not spinning off checks with his edge work or blazing down the wing. He relies on his skill, power and sense to make plays. “It’s not going to hold him back, but it’s not a strength,” said one NHL scout about Kakko’s skating. ETA: And yes, Hughes skating is Elite. Again, from Pronman: Skating. This is the lengthiest section of Hughes’s scouting report because skating is what drives his value. In a modern game dictated by speed and pace, Jack Hughes can make an impact. His skating and pace define his game. “His pace is elite, he can do everything fast,” said one scout. His edge work is special. He spins off pressure and evades checks so well with his edges. Edited April 12, 2019 by LittleBallofHate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Should you draft large bodies? Yes, if they're as good at hockey as the smaller guys are. Big body is just a tiebreaker for me, no one gets bonus points because they're over 6'2" every time they step on the ice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Disagree about Boyle. How many goals did he score because of being camped in front of the goal? That’s an effective use of his size. Arguably he also used it for faceoffs also, it’s not all stick work. True. I was referring more about defensive physicality, because I thought that's what 1214 meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Nicomo said: Now you’re changing what you said, which was “NJ is hurting for large bodies.” And I pointed out we had them. I haven't changed anything I said. Maybe I should have elaborate more to avoid being nitpicked and said NJ needs, or at least could use, effective big bodies. Kakko would be that. Did you not watch the Colorado game this year where NJ was getting pounded physically? None of the guys on this team in any of the last two years could return that to the other team. I feel like I've woken up in the twilight zone and I've imagined eveyone complaining about how soft this team is, especially around our own net, the last few years. I retract a bit about what I said about Boyle, but he was never a physical presence without the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils01 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 his stats are just ridonculous .. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/305432/jack-hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Nicomo said: Kakko’s skating is not superior to Hughes. Watch some clips of Hughes skate. He’s ridiculously good. oh yeah maybe, i was making general reference that the Finns are some of the best skaters in the world still a tough choice but hughes would be the easy choice if that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Devils01 said: his stats are just ridonculous .. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/305432/jack-hughes Did you see this article from February inside your post? Another good read https://www.eprinkside.com/2019/2/8/cohen-hughes-will-go-first-and-heres-why 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I read an article from Jan/Feb & the writer said they media would start pumping up Kakko as it got closer to the draft so people pay attention/tune in. It's the Jack Hughes draft. I've read over & over how special he is, how he makes the players around him better, how he's a Franchise player. He's exactly the type of player the Devils have been trying to get on the team since Ray & co have gotten here. Having said that, I trust Ray & Castron (et al) to make the correct choice (whomever that is), as they did with Nico. @WGR550 Button - Jack Hughes is the superior player to everyone in the draft. He's electrifying. Why not take the superior player? I think it's a more closer gap between Kakko and Podkolzin. #NHLDraft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, LittleBallofHate said: I read an article from Jan/Feb & the writer said they media would start pumping up Kakko as it got closer to the draft so people pay attention/tune in. It's the Jack Hughes draft. I've read over & over how special he is, how he makes the players around him better, how he's a Franchise player. He's exactly the type of player the Devils have been trying to get on the team since Ray & co have gotten here. Having said that, I trust Ray & Castron (et al) to make the correct choice (whomever that is), as they did with Nico. @WGR550 Button - Jack Hughes is the superior player to everyone in the draft. He's electrifying. Why not take the superior player? I think it's a more closer gap between Kakko and Podkolzin. #NHLDraft Let's let this rumor blow up so the Rangers take Podkolzin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Hughes will be our Johnny Gudreau/Patrick Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, slasher72 said: Hughes will be our Johnny Gudreau/Patrick Kane. a less rapey Patty Kane all day lets go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Teams like the Flames, Capitals and Lightning have been sh!tting on us for a while. It'll be nice once things start evening out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said: a less rapey Patty Kane all day lets go! Well, he couldn’t be more!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, slasher72 said: Teams like the Flames, Capitals and Lightning have been sh!tting on us for a while. It'll be nice once things start evening out. hall, Nico, palms, Hughes and bratt are on their way to change that... lets use some of those picks to make a move to improve the D and hope that smith will be ready to make an impact next season. All of a sudden we can feel that we have a lot to look forward to very soon and more importantly for years to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) On 4/11/2019 at 9:38 AM, Nicomo said: Yes, but who’s going against the better competition? Most of the men in the Finnish league are playing there for a reason right? Whereas Hughes is going up against more actual NHL caliber prospects. Liiga is a professional league. It's not filled with players who aren't good enough to become *professionals*. It's not filled with teenagers who won't have a professional career. Kakko plays significantly tougher competition in Liiga. Edited April 13, 2019 by Marshall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclc79 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Still, Hughes is only just turning 18. He has plenty of time to grow. Hasn't Nico the last two years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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