MadDog2020 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: You did miss the point. The point was that a lot of people want to live and work in Manhattan for its perceived status, especially people not from this area. “I live in New York City” is not the same as “I live in Hoboken and I could be in Manhattan in 5 minutes”, if the status thing is what is important. I don’t think that the idea that nobody knows how close parts of New Jersey are to Manhattan has any validity. But even if it did, that kind of just proves my point. They don’t care, because Manhattan is the lure, not being close to Manhattan. In other news, people (including a lot of hockey players) are stupid. People who care about that sh!t aren’t people I want to be associated with. If you value a three mile difference that much, chances are you’re a vapid dipsh!t. Edited June 9, 2019 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: In other news, people (including a lot of hockey players) are stupid. People who care about that sh!t aren’t people I want to be associated with. If you value a three mile difference that much, chances are you’re a vapid dipsh!t. I think I mentioned that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I said living *and* working. It’s not even just limited to hockey, if you’re from this area you’ve undoubtedly run into people who think the fact that they live and work in Manhattan makes them better than those who don’t. I’m not saying it doesn’t make them pretentious douchebags, I’m just pointing out that these people exist. And especially people from outside this area, where Manhattan has a far greater allure than for those of us who have been there, done that. People work in Manhattan for the money, period. People live in Manhattan if they like city life, can afford it and/or want a better commute. I can’t speak to any of the Rangers, but the most of the Yankees with families in the area live in New Jersey. Mets players usually live on the Island. Since he’s been here for some time now, Hall knows the media dynamics of the area, and would have to know that hockey, even if it’s the Rangers, is barely on the media radar. So if ends up there it’ll have something to do with him thinking the team can win, not that he’s going to be some New York icon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I think I mentioned that as well. I believe you did lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, mfitz804 said: I said living *and* working. It’s not even just limited to hockey, if you’re from this area you’ve undoubtedly run into people who think the fact that they live and work in Manhattan makes them better than those who don’t. I’m not saying it doesn’t make them pretentious douchebags, I’m just pointing out that these people exist. And especially people from outside this area, where Manhattan has a far greater allure than for those of us who have been there, done that. Lmao, reading comprehension needs some work today. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 For this franchise to move forward, they need to buy out Andy Greene. Enough with this being loyal crap. It is bringing down this entire franchise and there is ZERO need to keep Greene around at this point of his career. I see this, you see this........... why doesn't Devils management see this? The Devils need to be the most aggressive franchise in the NHL this off season and it starts with getting Greene off this roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I don’t know if that needs to be the primary objective, but it’s time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, njbuff said: For this franchise to move forward, they need to buy out Andy Greene. Enough with this being loyal crap. It is bringing down this entire franchise and there is ZERO need to keep Greene around at this point of his career. I see this, you see this........... why doesn't Devils management see this? The Devils need to be the most aggressive franchise in the NHL this off season and it starts with getting Greene off this roster. Andy Greene is not the team’s problem, the same way Ben Lovejoy wasn’t the team’s problem last year. An offseason strategy built around getting rid of him is not particularly wise. Edited June 9, 2019 by Daniel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 It has been said ten thousand time already but yeah.. Greene is way too valuable for the team, he is respected everywhere in the Franchise. But yeah there is an obvious problem with him. I would say that no way we should buy him out, but we should have an offseason that reduce his ice time, reduce his ice responsability .. I'm sure he is not done once put in a more adapted role with this team ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 i dont think we need to buy out Greene. There's only one season left on his contract, we have the cap space and all. BUT we need to find a way to cut his minutes so that he's not relied upon that much. But thinking about it now it may be a bit more complicated... Our depth right now on the left side is Greene, Butcher and Smith... I feel Butcher is a perfect 2nd pairing guy... Greene would be a perfect 3nd pairing guy... Smith will likely be a 3rd pairing guy this season... in a perfect world he'd be THAT good and magically win a spot on the top pairing... Cause if we sign someone... then we have too many guys on the left side.. and we dont want to bench the youngsters... Greene wont be benched... so unless we trade of those guys... or move them on the other side... not sure what the plan is really 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Wasn't sure which thread but, potential good UFA's to consider (besides the glamorous ones Panarin/ Ducheune etc) that Could play up & down the line up. Be happy if we added. Connoly (Wash) Donskoi (SJ) B. Tanev (Winn) Colin Wilson (Col) Ferland (Canes) R. Panik (Yotes) I don't have a good feeling for : Eberle, Nyquist, Don't see any D men (UFA's) I'm overwhelmed with except love to see Ray go after Gardiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, MB3 said: (* we don’t care if you don’t like it, we don’t want our captain to be a 3rd pairing defenseman with a big egg head) Thank you, seriously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 hours ago, njbuff said: For this franchise to move forward, they need to buy out Andy Greene. Enough with this being loyal crap. It is bringing down this entire franchise and there is ZERO need to keep Greene around at this point of his career. I see this, you see this........... why doesn't Devils management see this? The Devils need to be the most aggressive franchise in the NHL this off season and it starts with getting Greene off this roster. No. He has one year left. There are more important things to do then pissing off the locker room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 to be fair to andy he blocks a LOT of shots and our goaltending has been pretty sh!tty so god knows how many of those shots could have been goals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I guess the biggest thing is to figure out where the holes in the roster is... where does the players we have would slot in a perfect world... see who pushed out of the roster out of that and then you have your trade baits. I guess in our top 6 getting a legit 2nd line LW and getting a legit 1st line RW would be ideal. We have players who can fill those roles but i'm not sure if that's their perfect spot. I feel Palms is a perfect 2nd line RW... Bratt would be a perfect 3rd line RW... Anderson a perfect 4th line RW Down the middle we obviously have Nico and Jack in the top 6, Hughes will likely be the #1 but maybe not this year. Then Zajac is a perfect 3rd line center then guys like Rooney can be on the 4th line no problem... Coleman is a perfect 3rd line LW in my opinion and then you have guys like Boqvist that may have potential in the top 6.. then Wood, Dagostino that could be on the 4th line but could also be good trade bait in a package. On the D what we need is a top pairing dman on the left... BUT we already have Greene, Smith and Butler... which if we don't trade one of them... will make one of them expendable. Obviously Greene has to go next season but it's still tricky. We can obviously move one of them on the other side but again.. trying to see who should be where first. In a perfect world Smith would win a spot on the top pairing and do the job but obviously thats asking a lot from a kid. Also if we could swap Vatanen with a younger guy like trouba it would be fantastic So not only we have many spots "locked" with pretty young guys... it makes draft picks a bit more expendable. Which with our 2 second round picks, a 3rd and guys like Wood, Zacha, McLeod. We could get a decent return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Why Shero should buyout best blockshoter of the league? Why he sholud buyout best pk-defenseman of the league? I do not see this. To start he may be a good trade material for contender in deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 hours ago, moustic said: It has been said ten thousand time already but yeah.. Greene is way too valuable for the team, he is respected everywhere in the Franchise. But yeah there is an obvious problem with him. I would say that no way we should buy him out, but we should have an offseason that reduce his ice time, reduce his ice responsability .. I'm sure he is not done once put in a more adapted role with this team ! 100% this. Greene has never played anywhere else in his career, and I believe he's closing in on some records in terms of games played for the team, both as a defenseman and a player in general. This team was built around honoring its players and their longevity and tenure, and although it's under different management and ownership now, the core values still ring true. The guy has one year left on his contract - the best approach is like you said, bring in another solid d-man in the offseason to be part of the top 4, and let the other guys currently in the organization get additional ice time and reduce his role so that he's a 3rd pairing contributor rather than putting him in situations against other team's top players where he can't keep up and is more of a liability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said: 100% this. Greene has never played anywhere else in his career, and I believe he's closing in on some records in terms of games played for the team, both as a defenseman and a player in general. This team was built around honoring its players and their longevity and tenure, and although it's under different management and ownership now, the core values still ring true. The guy has one year left on his contract - the best approach is like you said, bring in another solid d-man in the offseason to be part of the top 4, and let the other guys currently in the organization get additional ice time and reduce his role so that he's a 3rd pairing contributor rather than putting him in situations against other team's top players where he can't keep up and is more of a liability. I'm fine with that plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=99886 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=99886 I thought they were waiting to sign him so he could avoid being eligible to have be protected for the expansion draft....What changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=99886 This is awesome. We needed some news about a prospect who is performing as well or better than expected. If Boqvist indeed cracks the lineup on opening day, I would prefer to see a roster like this: Hall - Hischier - Palmieri Boqvist - Hughes - Bratt Coleman - Zajac - FA RW Wood - Zacha - Anderson I realize the 2nd line is young, but so what - call it the kids line and let them dangle. The 2nd line doesn't need to be physical, that's why you roll with a 3rd and 4th line. I hate putting Zacha on the bottom, but I don't think Zajac should get such low minutes, unless he's really getting a lot of PK (and maybe even PP, but I don't recommend it) time. Depending on if/who the RW is that we (should) land in free agency, maybe you slot Bratt down to the 3rd if the FA is more of an impact/veteran player, but I do like the idea of the young kids together. It's basically a nothing-to-lose line and you just let them go through the inevitable growing pains as a group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: I thought they were waiting to sign him so he could avoid being eligible to have be protected for the expansion draft....What changed? The rules for the 2021 draft are the same as the 2017 draft with Vegas, and Boqvist will be exempt: All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: This is awesome. We needed some news about a prospect who is performing as well or better than expected. If Boqvist indeed cracks the lineup on opening day, I would prefer to see a roster like this: Hall - Hischier - Palmieri Boqvist - Hughes - Bratt Coleman - Zajac - FA RW Wood - Zacha - Anderson I realize the 2nd line is young, but so what - call it the kids line and let them dangle. The 2nd line doesn't need to be physical, that's why you roll with a 3rd and 4th line. I hate putting Zacha on the bottom, but I don't think Zajac should get such low minutes, unless he's really getting a lot of PK (and maybe even PP, but I don't recommend it) time. Depending on if/who the RW is that we (should) land in free agency, maybe you slot Bratt down to the 3rd if the FA is more of an impact/veteran player, but I do like the idea of the young kids together. It's basically a nothing-to-lose line and you just let them go through the inevitable growing pains as a group. i'd put Palms on the 2nd line so that Hughes has a sniper and some experience on his line. Bratt already played quite well with Hischier and Hall so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: i'd put Palms on the 2nd line so that Hughes has a sniper and some experience on his line. Bratt already played quite well with Hischier and Hall so Yeah, I don't think you can go wrong either way, and it would seem like Palms on the 2nd is the "safer" and/or more balanced option, but I still would rather have him up front. I think he's used to the top line minutes opposed to Bratt who's still very young, and Palms and Nico (and Hall when he was healthy) all seemed to have good chemistry together as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: i'd put Palms on the 2nd line so that Hughes has a sniper and some experience on his line. Bratt already played quite well with Hischier and Hall so Agreed. 52 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I hate putting Zacha on the bottom, but I don't think Zajac should get such low minutes, unless he's really getting a lot of PK (and maybe even PP, but I don't recommend it) time. i can't see us going into this season with Pavel Zacha as a 4th line center. I have to believe he gets moved to wing (or another team) before that happens. Either way, we're in that situation where I look on paper and say "That's not a bad lineup". https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2dd262d3-d165-4d5c-8c6e-e37a9cfe9700 I can't get this to embed, click it, its still funny. Edited June 10, 2019 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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