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20 minutes ago, Daniel said:

I am willing to listen to what people think Shero might plausibly do in the next couple weeks to improve the team outside of drafting Jack Hughes.  

All I see happening is the old second and a third for whatever.

What he can plausibly do is very limited and completely out of his hands in some cases. But you don't understand that. 

Still here's a few moves he could do. Not saying i'd agree with all of these but these are the only plausible options with what we have.

1) Try to get a top 6 forward, a top 4 dman or move up in the first round with a package of our 2 second rounds picks and 3rd + extra players like Zacha..McLeod, etc

2) Try to get a good player from a team that is fvcked by the cap at good value by taking a bad contract off their hands.

3) Bite the bullet and trade something we really don't want like Bratt or Severson at position where we actually need them

4) Our biggest asset is our cap space. But there's literally nobody worth signing outside of Panarin so its just not a good timing. He's legit the only free agent that i feel would be a good move. Anything else would be a panic move and i'd rather give a shot to Boqvist than overpay for a 30 years old.

5) Trade for Panarin's rights in order to be able to offer him an 8th year on his contract. That's a huge risk and we could be sacrificing an asset for nothing if he still decide to test the market and sign somewhere else. Not sure i'd do it even if i really want Panarin

 

and realize that "All I see happening is the old second and a third for whatever." That's because of Lou for stripping the team of all its assets and future. It's certainly not shero's fault. It takes time to rebuild a prospect pool and gather assets when you have absolutely nothing. Takes more than 4 years for sure

 

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So for the hell of it what was Hayes worth? Of course because he didn't land here the numbers thrown out here now will be pretty low but just try and keep it realistic. I'm assuming we could squeeze in a guy like him somewhere in this lineup and by squeezing him in he would of made them better. 

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

What he can plausibly do is very limited and completely out of his hands in some cases. But you don't understand that. 

Still here's a few moves he could do. Not saying i'd agree with all of these but these are the only plausible options with what we have.

1) Try to get a top 6 forward, a top 4 dman or move up in the first round with a package of our 2 second rounds picks and 3rd + extra players like Zacha..McLeod, etc

2) Try to get a good player from a team that is fvcked by the cap at good value by taking a bad contract off their hands.

3) Bite the bullet and trade something we really don't want like Bratt or Severson at position where we actually need them

4) Our biggest asset is our cap space. But there's literally nobody worth signing outside of Panarin so its just not a good timing. He's legit the only free agent that i feel would be a good move. Anything else would be a panic move and i'd rather give a shot to Boqvist than overpay for a 30 years old.

5) Trade for Panarin's rights in order to be able to offer him an 8th year on his contract. That's a huge risk and we could be sacrificing an asset for nothing if he still decide to test the market and sign somewhere else. Not sure i'd do it even if i really want Panarin

 

 

Five can’t happen, and otherwise you’re talking in the same generalities your GM uses when he’s got bubkis. 

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1 minute ago, Daniel said:

Five can’t happen, and otherwise you’re talking in the same generalities your GM uses when he’s got bubkis. 

Done. im done with you.

moments after i said it was useless to even attempt to have a legit discussion with you, i still give you another chance cause i thought maybe there was hope and you fvck it up.

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7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Done. im done with you.

moments after i said it was useless to even attempt to have a legit discussion with you, i still give you another chance cause i thought maybe there was hope and you fvck it up.

You proposed something that is literally impossible, trading for Panarin’s rights to give him an eighth year.  

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25 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Sign Panarin. :P

Panarin is signing with the Rangers. Mark my words. 

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NHL Salary cap may go below 82 million, may be even 81.5 million. I am quite confident we land someone. Rangers will have at most 10 million in cap space after they sign Trouba so doubtful they sign Panarin. If Panarin hits free agency, we still have to contend with the following teams: Sens, Jackets, Canucks, Canes, Jets, Isles and maybe a couple more. So again, dont expect Panarin to simply pack up and come over here.

On the flipside, we can now seriously fleece the Leafs, Knights, Pens, Lightning and whole bunch of teams. Patience guys, patience. Something will happen but negotiation is striking the hammer at the right time, too early or too late and you lose. Shero has shown that astuteness. Its actually what Lou lost in his final days here which caused massive headaches for us, the panic trades and overpaying worn out players.

Lets agree not to get on each others case moving forward.

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I'll say this much, if Hall doesnt sign before the season starts I could see a nightmare scenario where he refuses to negotiate during the year and the Rags or Isles give him a mammoth offer next year once he becomes an UFA and he accepts. Seeing Gorton in action, I think he'd beat Lou to the punch and sign Hall. 

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1 minute ago, Daniel said:

You proposed something that is literally impossible, trading for Panarin’s rights to give him an eighth year.  

Im referring to you being absolutely disconnected with reality and your unrealistic expectations. It's unbearable. 

Maybe 5 is not possible, i thought it was, if so that's just my mistake. 

Anytime there's a trade or a signing you assume Shero could have done better and just choose to do nothing. While you know NOTHING about the situation, you just make assumptions based on your narrative of hating Shero. As fvcking IF that Shero wouldnt want to get Trouba and didn't at least try. It didn't work or if he didn't maybe it's because he's working on something bigger. There's only so much he can possibly do. And when sh!t don't pan out well other opportunities are gone. It's really not hard to understand but you just can't

Like do you REALLY think he's just sitting there not trying? Are you that insane? Why can't you understand that things need to go right for a deal to happen. It's not just walking around buying stuff. You're competing with other teams and after awhile the bidding was has to end cause it doesn't make sense anymore.

You refer to the last 4 years as if he didn't try anything. Tavares was signing with the leafs or Islanders. Who else would have been worth it? You wanted to pay Neal 5 years for 28million or some sh!t like that?

What would YOU do if you were Shero? let me guess... sign Panarin, trade Vatanen for Doughty... Flip McLeod + 2nd for Crosby and use a time machine to go get a Brodeur in his prime? 

6 minutes ago, slasher72 said:

Panarin is signing with the Rangers. Mark my words. 

i know he is and it's already pissing me off

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5 minutes ago, Anhkheg said:

NHL Salary cap may go below 82 million, may be even 81.5 million. I am quite confident we land someone. Rangers will have at most 10 million in cap space after they sign Trouba so doubtful they sign Panarin. If Panarin hits free agency, we still have to contend with the following teams: Sens, Jackets, Canucks, Canes, Jets, Isles and maybe a couple more. So again, dont expect Panarin to simply pack up and come over here.

On the flipside, we can now seriously fleece the Leafs, Knights, Pens, Lightning and whole bunch of teams. Patience guys, patience. Something will happen but negotiation is striking the hammer at the right time, too early or too late and you lose. Shero has shown that astuteness. Its actually what Lou lost in his final days here which caused massive headaches for us, the panic trades and overpaying worn out players.

Lets agree not to get on each others case moving forward.

I tend to think the rags are still the odds on favorite to land Panarin. Hopefully I'm wrong. But we can always say be wasn't a good fit here when he lands elsewhere. 🤣

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Ray can offer Panarin a lot more money than the Rangers or Florida.  Ray won’t though.  If it comes up, he’ll give the same excuse that he just didn’t want to come here, and we’ll all believe it because we’re suckers.

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20 minutes ago, slasher72 said:

I'll say this much, if Hall doesnt sign before the season starts I could see a nightmare scenario where he refuses to negotiate during the year and the Rags or Isles give him a mammoth offer next year once he becomes an UFA and he accepts. Seeing Gorton in action, I think he'd beat Lou to the punch and sign Hall. 

A Devils fan imagining a nightmare scenario?! How fvcking novel. After Hall signs with the Rags, will he and Gorton team up to try and burn the Rock down too, just for good measure? And if so, will it be before or after the introductory press conference? 

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6 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

A Devils fan imagining a nightmare scenario?! How fvcking novel. After Hall signs with the Rags, will he and Gorton team up to try and burn the Rock down too, just for good measure? And if so, will it be before or after the introductory press conference? 

Don’t be silly, Gorton can’t burn the Rock down.  The building is lined with cap space which is not flammable.  Didn’t they teach you this in middle school science class?

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22 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

A Devils fan imagining a nightmare scenario?! How fvcking novel. After Hall signs with the Rags, will he and Gorton team up to try and burn the Rock down too, just for good measure? And if so, will it be before or after the introductory press conference? 

Definitely before, so Gorton can show video of Hall doing a moonwalk across the ashes. 

 

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looking at Tampa's roster and it's absolutely insane... They are a team we should target trying to get a deal cause they won't be able to retain everyone

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I mean... their 4th line.... Gourde who scored 22 goals last season and 48 pts....  J.T Miller 47 pts... Killorn 40 pts. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Don’t be silly, Gorton can’t burn the Rock down.  The building is lined with cap space which is not flammable.  Didn’t they teach you this in middle school science class?

 

15 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Ray can offer Panarin a lot more money than the Rangers or Florida.  Ray won’t though.  If it comes up, he’ll give the same excuse that he just didn’t want to come here, and we’ll all believe it because we’re suckers.

Great you keep posting but ignore my post/question putting you in a corner. Come on. What would YOU do if you were Shero? 

Tell me exactly what you'd do and that you know would work 100%. Stuff like "signing Panarin" doesnt work cause it's not a guarantee. Tell me something you can guarantee you would do if you were him. 

Come on smart ass

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

looking at Tampa's roster and it's absolutely insane... They are a team we should target trying to get a deal cause they won't be able to retain everyone

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I mean... their 4th line.... Gourde who scored 22 goals last season and 48 pts....  J.T Miller 47 pts... Killorn 40 pts. 

 

With the exception of maybe Miller, acquiring anyone that Tampa is willing to give you is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

And anyone that brings up Tyler fvcking Johnson, I’d like to remind you that it isn’t 2014 anymore.  

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And just so I’m clear, what I believe this team needs, and what should be obvious to everyone what the team needs, is impact players.  

Tampa’s third and fourth liners are not impact players.  Panarin and Duchene are impact players.  Timo Meier is an impact player on a cap fvcked team.  

Alex Killorn is the same old sh!t that will result in exactly zero more wins.  

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24 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

looking at Tampa's roster and it's absolutely insane... They are a team we should target trying to get a deal cause they won't be able to retain everyone

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I mean... their 4th line.... Gourde who scored 22 goals last season and 48 pts....  J.T Miller 47 pts... Killorn 40 pts. 

 

I still can’t figure out how this roster got fvcking swept in the first round.

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59 minutes ago, Daniel said:

And just so I’m clear, what I believe this team needs, and what should be obvious to everyone what the team needs, is impact players.  

Tampa’s third and fourth liners are not impact players.  Panarin and Duchene are impact players.  Timo Meier is an impact player on a cap fvcked team.  

Alex Killorn is the same old sh!t that will result in exactly zero more wins.  

ok well how would you get these impact players. Again, i need you to give me a guarantee. Cause that's how fair you are with Shero if things don't pan out. So tell me what YOU could guarantee. 

How would you get an impact player? Who would you trade? how would you convince them to take OUR money? 

Cause obviously it's easy to say that what this team need is Crosby and McDavid. But how do you get them realistically?

Sorry but you sound like those extreme left snowflakes preaching unrealistic non-sense like everyone should be making at least $20/hrs, that every 80+ genders should have a separate bathroom in any establishment ever, that people shouldnt pay taxes, babies from minority groups should be handed a laptop at birth, that every kid in america should be able to go to Harvart for free, that no one should ever get shot again, that every job ever should be represented equallyy 50/50 per gender, that we should find a cure for cancer tomorrow, that we should end poverty, that everyone in America should have a job and anyone coming in should be handed a blank cheque and a job, etc etc etc Cause yeah... how awesome would that be right? Let's just do it.

But you offer no actual solution on how to get there and you don't understand how unrealistic you sound. Then you just blame wtv president is in office at that time for all those things not being perfect.

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8 hours ago, Daniel said:

"It's been reported"  LOLOLOL.  Whatever that "report" was Dreger walked it back, because the fact of the matter is that Trouba is an RFA without a no trade clause and arbitration rights.  Number 34 overall and Vatanen half-retained is better than what the Rangers offered.  A GM that was building a winner could convince Trouba to sign a long term extension instead of playing literally five miles away.  But Ray is not building a winner, and he knows it.

There is no way Vatanen 50% retained and 34 is better for Winnipeg than Pionk and pick 20. Pionk is a promising young defenseman who the they will control the rights of for several years, Vatanen is a UFA after 1 year that won't want to sign in Winnipeg either. Pick 20 is worth quite a bit more than pick 34, if you wanted to trade up from 34 to 20 you'd probably have to add a pick in the 27-30 range.

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53 minutes ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

There is no way Vatanen 50% retained and 34 is better for Winnipeg than Pionk and pick 20. Pionk is a promising young defenseman who the they will control the rights of for several years, Vatanen is a UFA after 1 year that won't want to sign in Winnipeg either. Pick 20 is worth quite a bit more than pick 34, if you wanted to trade up from 34 to 20 you'd probably have to add a pick in the 27-30 range.

Plus Daniel wants an impact player. With the assets we have... I don't really think we can trade for an impact player. It took 4 years to assemble a young NHL roster that's still growing and pretty average... we don't have much assets to trade without taking a step back at some position. Our most valuable asset is Zacha because our top 3 center position are filled so he's expendable. And you wouldn't get an impact player for Zacha straight up... even with a few picks i'm not sure. 

Then we can't trade a dman without getting a better d-man out of it cause we need all the help we can get down there.

i wish Carolina would be willing to trade for Zacha + picks for one of Pesce, Hamilton or Faulk. I guess Ehlers might have been offered though... so if you have a choice of adding elhers or zacha... you obviously go for elhers.

then there's not many players i'd be willing to trade our 2020's first round pick for...

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12 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Meh, Nico went #1 in a draft where the original "clear" possible #1s (Nico or Nolan) weren't projected for true greatness.  Wasn't like Nico was supposed to be a generational or even elite player...in a lot of other drafts, he doesn't go #1 overall.  But not like he's going to be a disappointment...just the fact that he's been plenty solid as an 18 and 19-year-old is a good sign.  He should have a plenty good career.  I'm happy with him. 

100%, it's a pretty pointless article in reality , it's clear that the writer hasn't really taken into consideration who Nico has had to play with especially over the last season. It says his number are poor but really given the year the team had last year they were decent. 

4 hours ago, Nicomo said:

This really just speaks to how good a run of #1OA picks there was for about a decade. Not so much a knock against Nico. And as much as I love him, I don’t really disagree with their ranking tbh. I might put him ahead of Ekblad, but other than that it looks about right. It’s still obviously very early to really judge him against some of those veterans though. 

Also, Kane is not generational. Only Crosby, Ovi, and McDavid, are. 

Agreed on Kane, you can't have 4 generational players in a generation. Crosbys time will soon be coming to an end and McDavid will pick up the torch (if he hasn't already) as the league's best player. Ovi is a generational scorer of goals for sure. 

Kane is incredible , but at the end of the day is he that much better than Stamkos and Tavares? Not really. 

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F**k you Shero for not overpaying Hayes by 1.5 million per year, and 2 years!!!!

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