2019 Offseason Thread

[Daniel 1,653]

1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Lol, go read the Wyshysnki interview with Shero that just got posted and tell me how he is not Alderson (or Hamlet for that matter).

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27006755/part-business-devils-gm-ray-shero-taylor-hall-no-1-pick-more

On Hughes: still claims they haven't made a decision.  There is literally no additional information you are going to get, so either he's telling the truth and is a moron or is lying and doing a bad job of it.

But this quote tells you everything you need to know:

Quote

ESPN: Do you feel you have to do significant things this summer to help convince him of the path for the franchise? Is picking first overall enough?

Shero: I don't know.

You guys can whistle past the graveyard if you want.  This offseason has utter disaster writen all over it and it's staring you in the face.

[mfitz804 11,715]

18 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Could be gas

That is an alternate possibility. 

[mfitz804 11,715]

7 minutes ago, Daniel said:

On Hughes: still claims they haven't made a decision.  There is literally no additional information you are going to get, so either he's telling the truth and is a moron or is lying and doing a bad job of it.

I’m sorry, but do people with the #1 OA pick usually announce days before the draft what they are doing?? I have to say, I’ve kind of just been enjoying your rants but this is just a ridiculous assertion. 

[Daniel 1,653]

5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m sorry, but do people with the #1 OA pick usually announce days before the draft what they are doing?? I have to say, I’ve kind of just been enjoying your rants but this is just a ridiculous assertion. 

They often do, actually.  The Avalanche did it when it was a much tougher decision between MacKinnon and Jones.  He doesn't even have to announce it.  Just say we've made our decision and are confident.  Instead what we're seeing is more evidence of is Ray's paralysis by analysis. 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Daniel

[CommonDreads 1,465]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27006755/part-business-devils-gm-ray-shero-taylor-hall-no-1-pick-more

Shero on the possibility of an offer sheet this summer:

"We all know what the CBA is. There is no gentleman's agreement. Fvck that sh!t. When people say that, it's a lazy narrative, I'll tell you that. Really? Your ownership's competitive, GMs are competitive, and it's the buddy-buddy system? What the fvck is that? It doesn't mean something will or won't happen, but that's been the narrative for years, and I don't know why."

[jagknife 3,604]

12 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Lol, go read the Wyshysnki interview with Shero that just got posted and tell me how he is not Alderson (or Hamlet for that matter).

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27006755/part-business-devils-gm-ray-shero-taylor-hall-no-1-pick-more

On Hughes: still claims they haven't made a decision.  There is literally no additional information you are going to get, so either he's telling the truth and is a moron or is lying and doing a bad job of it.

But this quote tells you everything you need to know:

You guys can whistle past the graveyard if you want.  This offseason has utter disaster writen all over it and it's staring you in the face.

Okay, I get you are easily the new Manta or BostonNala, but the entire damn article/interview Ray is absolutely vague. 

To anyone else who feels compelled to read to see for themselves, don’t. Ray isn’t going to tell agree Wyshinski his offseason plan or how he intends on proving to Hall it will get better, that’ll screw up ANY negotiations he’ll want to have. Then you’ll have even more to bitch about.

Seriously, fvck you for making me have to support ESPN/Wysh by clicking that link to confirm you’re quite literally seeing what you want

[slasher72 440]

13 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Lol, go read the Wyshysnki interview with Shero that just got posted and tell me how he is not Alderson (or Hamlet for that matter).

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27006755/part-business-devils-gm-ray-shero-taylor-hall-no-1-pick-more

On Hughes: still claims they haven't made a decision.  There is literally no additional information you are going to get, so either he's telling the truth and is a moron or is lying and doing a bad job of it.

But this quote tells you everything you need to know:

You guys can whistle past the graveyard if you want.  This offseason has utter disaster writen all over it and it's staring you in the face.

If no Hall activity, then absolutely. 

[Aitchmack 593]

2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m sorry, but do people with the #1 OA pick usually announce days before the draft what they are doing?? I have to say, I’ve kind of just been enjoying your rants but this is just a ridiculous assertion. 

For the amount of discussions it causes in the press, on tv, on the internet, etc, not to mention the anti-climax at the draft itself I'm sure the NHL must tell teams not to announce who they're going to pick. It's just bad for business.

[Colorado Rockies 1976 6,866]

Daniel, you've been watching pro sports long enough to know that GMs don't often make for great interviews...they don't tend to spell out what they're going to do, and a lot of times fall back on vague GM speak.  I don't know why you'd take anything Ray is saying during one interview about his "plans" as total gospel.

And next time maybe post the whole snippet that came after "I don't know", instead of slicing and dicing just to forward your anti-Ray agenda...clearly he said a lot more than "I don't know":

 

Shero: I don't know. I think everything we're doing here is for the best for the organization. Let's be honest: Taylor was somewhere else for six years. He didn't make the playoffs. We weren't a part of that, obviously, but when he came here we made a run in 2017-18 and then last year wasn't good for him or the team due to his injury.

He's a significant part of our franchise. That's why we're not trying to rush. We'll explain to him what we're trying to do and why and the timing of things, and see if he understands that and the timing of things, and then go from there. Everything we do here is for our franchise and not one particular player. But with that said, he's a significant part of our franchise. It's not frustrating. It's not a rush. It's just what it is.

[ajsgolf 105]

Does Ray have the final say in any players brought to the team or does Harris and Blitzer have any say?  I’m guessing it’s Ray but I’m also concerned Ray is doing nothing this offseason to bring in that so called “talent” he’s previously referenced.  Hall has made it clear the team needs that as well and if he’s seeing what I believe most of us are as well, he’s prob not gonna re-sign.

Also, is it just me or do others also think that Harris and Blitzer are truly Flyers fan since they own the 76ers and Harris went to school in PA?  Anyone?

[Daniel 1,653]

4 minutes ago, jagknife said:

Okay, I get you are easily the new Manta or BostonNala, but the entire damn article/interview Ray is absolutely vague. 

To anyone else who feels compelled to read to see for themselves, don’t. Ray isn’t going to tell agree Wyshinski his offseason plan or how he intends on proving to Hall it will get better, that’ll screw up ANY negotiations he’ll want to have. Then you’ll have even more to bitch about.

Seriously, fvck you for making me have to support ESPN/Wysh by clicking that link to confirm you’re quite literally seeing what you want

I'm not looking for him to say, we are going to offersheet this player on this day at this much, propose this trade for this player and make this big free agent signing.  I am looking for some sign, any sign, that he appreciates what's happening around him and even something more fundamental like the object of the sport is to score more goals than the other team not to have more cap space than everyone else. 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Daniel

[jagknife 3,604]

1 minute ago, Daniel said:

I'm not looking for him to say, we are going to offersheet this player on this day at this much, propose this trade for this player and make this big free agent signing.  I am looking for some sign, any sign, that he appreciates what's happening around him and even something more fundamental like the object of the sport is to score more goals than the other team not to have more cap space than everyone else. 

So you want him to acknowledge the panic at the fan level instead of being the GM and handling what he can?

Kind of like when a sh!tty Canadian reporter throws out an unbacked claim to generate clicks for his sh!tty site, the GM comes out and says it’s not true followed closely by the agent?

Man, we definitely haven’t seen that before. I wish Ray would do something like that. Oh well...

[MadDog2020 8,983]

5 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Daniel, you've been watching pro sports long enough to know that GMs don't often make for great interviews...they don't tend to spell out what they're going to do, and a lot of times fall back on vague GM speak.  I don't know why you'd take anything Ray is saying during one interview about his "plans" as total gospel.

And next time maybe post the whole snippet that came after "I don't know", instead of slicing and dicing just to forward your anti-Ray agenda...clearly he said a lot more than "I don't know":

 

Shero: I don't know. I think everything we're doing here is for the best for the organization. Let's be honest: Taylor was somewhere else for six years. He didn't make the playoffs. We weren't a part of that, obviously, but when he came here we made a run in 2017-18 and then last year wasn't good for him or the team due to his injury.

He's a significant part of our franchise. That's why we're not trying to rush. We'll explain to him what we're trying to do and why and the timing of things, and see if he understands that and the timing of things, and then go from there. Everything we do here is for our franchise and not one particular player. But with that said, he's a significant part of our franchise. It's not frustrating. It's not a rush. It's just what it is.

Thanks for the context. I’m still trying to figure out how one move (Trouba) has turned Daniel into a fvcking mental patient lol.

[jagknife 3,604]

4 minutes ago, ajsgolf said:

Does Ray have the final say in any players brought to the team or does Harris and Blitzer have any say?  I’m guessing it’s Ray but I’m also concerned Ray is doing nothing this offseason to bring in that so called “talent” he’s previously referenced.  Hall has made it clear the team needs that as well and if he’s seeing what I believe most of us are as well, he’s prob not gonna re-sign.

Also, is it just me or do others also think that Harris and Blitzer are truly Flyers fan since they own the 76ers and Harris went to school in PA?  Anyone?

I would like to think Ray approaches them, says we can get x player for y cost. They go, sure. End of discussion. 

Hell, if I had millions and millions and owned a team, i’d say build me a winner and who do I make the checks out to, with very little inputs if I wasn’t a fan of the sport. 

[Daniel 1,653]

1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Daniel, you've been watching pro sports long enough to know that GMs don't often make for great interviews...they don't tend to spell out what they're going to do, and a lot of times fall back on vague GM speak.  I don't know why you'd take anything Ray is saying during one interview about his "plans" as total gospel.

And next time maybe post the whole snippet that came after "I don't know", instead of slicing and dicing just to forward your anti-Ray agenda...clearly he said a lot more than "I don't know":

 

Shero: I don't know. I think everything we're doing here is for the best for the organization. Let's be honest: Taylor was somewhere else for six years. He didn't make the playoffs. We weren't a part of that, obviously, but when he came here we made a run in 2017-18 and then last year wasn't good for him or the team due to his injury.

He's a significant part of our franchise. That's why we're not trying to rush. We'll explain to him what we're trying to do and why and the timing of things, and see if he understands that and the timing of things, and then go from there. Everything we do here is for our franchise and not one particular player. But with that said, he's a significant part of our franchise. It's not frustrating. It's not a rush. It's just what it is.

Ok, again. There has never been an offseason like this where a Devils franchise is as well positioned to improve the team dramatically with the unusual number of impact players that are available. When asked if he needs to take advantage of that to convince the team's best player to stay he cannot say "I don't know" unless the words that follow it are, "sorry I misheard your question." 

[slasher72 440]

2 minutes ago, ajsgolf said:

Does Ray have the final say in any players brought to the team or does Harris and Blitzer have any say?  I’m guessing it’s Ray but I’m also concerned Ray is doing nothing this offseason to bring in that so called “talent” he’s previously referenced.  Hall has made it clear the team needs that as well and if he’s seeing what I believe most of us are as well, he’s prob not gonna re-sign.

Also, is it just me or do others also think that Harris and Blitzer are truly Flyers fan since they own the 76ers and Harris went to school in PA?  Anyone?

I'm more afraid of Harris / Blitzer sticking true to their private equity roots and looking to get the most bang (i.e. ticket sales, merch) for the lowest buck (i.e. plenty of money saved & high unused cap space). 

[MadDog2020 8,983]

Just now, Daniel said:

Ok, again. There has never been an offseason like this where a Devils franchise is as well positioned to improve the team dramatically with the unusual number of impact players that are available. When asked if he needs to take advantage of that to convince the team's best player to stay he cannot say "I don't know" unless the words that follow it are, "sorry I misheard your question." 

What impact players? Karlsson? Not available. Skinner? Not available. Panarin? Not coming here. 

[jagknife 3,604]

3 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Ok, again. There has never been an offseason like this where a Devils franchise is as well positioned to improve the team dramatically with the unusual number of impact players that are available. When asked if he needs to take advantage of that to convince the team's best player to stay he cannot say "I don't know" unless the words that follow it are, "sorry I misheard your question." 

Holy sh!t there was clearly more to the response than the “I don’t know”! Clearly “I don’t know” was used as a space filler as Ray responded. So you’re going to tell me you don’t say “uhhh” when answering a question or mid sentence during a conversation? Well if yo do, look out, Daniel thinks you’re making things up or you’re an incompetent moron. 

Edited June 19, 2019 by jagknife

[Daniel 1,653]

Just now, MadDog2020 said:

What impact players? Karlsson? Not available. Skinner? Not available. Panarin? Not coming here. 

Ray should offer Panarin more money than the Rangers or Florida, but he won't pick up the phone because his analytics losers say he's not worth the money and he figures it's not worth trying to compete with the bright lights brah.

Jacob Trouba, man up and beat the ridiculously lowball offer the Rangers got away with.  Have confidence in what you're doing that you can convince him to sign a multi-year deal to be part of a contender.

Get on the phone to San Jose immediately after the Karlsson deal is inked and say, I notice that you're going to have a tough time giving Meier a contract (maybe the analytics people can do something useful for once in the history of people doing stuff) let's work something out before I offersheet him.

Call Don Sweeney about moving up to 30 overall for taking on Backes' contract, which is doable.

This can't happen though, still have interviews to give to sicophants and need to consult my astrologer about Hughes or Kakko. 

[MadDog2020 8,983]

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Ray should offer Panarin more money than the Rangers or Florida, but he won't pick up the phone because his analytics losers say he's not worth the money and he figures it's not worth trying to compete with the bright lights brah.

Jacob Trouba, man up and beat the ridiculously lowball offer the Rangers got away with.  Have confidence in what you're doing that you can convince him to sign a multi-year deal to be part of a contender.

Get on the phone to San Jose immediately after the Karlsson deal is inked and say, I notice that you're going to have a tough time giving Meier a contract (maybe the analytics people can do something useful for once in the history of people doing stuff) let's work something out before I offersheet him.

Call Don Sweeney about moving up to 30 overall for taking on Backes' contract, which is doable.

This can't happen though, still have interviews to give to sicophants and need to consult my astrologer about Hughes or Kakko. 

Obviously it’s as easy as you say. Maybe you should be the GM!

[Daniel 1,653]

1 minute ago, MadDog2020 said:

Obviously it’s as easy as you say. Maybe you should be the GM!

A bunch of monkeys operating a Speak n' Spell could do a better job than what we have right now.

[jagknife 3,604]

On one hand Daniel wants Ray to quite literally hold him, rock him slowly and tell him things are going to be okay while reading to him his detailed plan for this summer. On the other hand, Daniel is already preparing his tantrum for how the plan being read to him is not good enough.

[mfitz804 11,715]

4 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Ray should offer Panarin more money than the Rangers or Florida, but he won't pick up the phone because his analytics losers say he's not worth the money and he figures it's not worth trying to compete with the bright lights brah.

Jacob Trouba, man up and beat the ridiculously lowball offer the Rangers got away with.  Have confidence in what you're doing that you can convince him to sign a multi-year deal to be part of a contender.

Get on the phone to San Jose immediately after the Karlsson deal is inked and say, I notice that you're going to have a tough time giving Meier a contract (maybe the analytics people can do something useful for once in the history of people doing stuff) let's work something out before I offersheet him.

Call Don Sweeney about moving up to 30 overall for taking on Backes' contract, which is doable.

This can't happen though, still have interviews to give to sicophants and need to consult my astrologer about Hughes or Kakko. 

If he doesn’t want to come here, or if he’s looking to go to the Rangers, then offering him a couple more dollars to come here is not going to make any difference. It happens all the time, these guys offer discounts to teams they want to play on. 

It’s not just a matter of “Ray needs to offer him more money”. 

1 minute ago, Daniel said:

A bunch of monkeys operating a Speak n' Spell could do a better job than what we have right now.

I’m on board with this plan. 

[jagknife 3,604]

1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

If he doesn’t want to come here, or if he’s looking to go to the Rangers, then offering him a couple more dollars to come here is not going to make any difference. It happens all the time, these guys offer discounts to teams they want to play on. 

It’s not just a matter of “Ray needs to offer him more money”. 

Shhhhh, that’s logical, that doesn’t fit the narrative of the NHL is literally just like the video game where you can just spam the free agent list with contract offers and over 50% will sign.

[Daniel 1,653]

1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

If he doesn’t want to come here, or if he’s looking to go to the Rangers, then offering him a couple more dollars to come here is not going to make any difference. It happens all the time, these guys offer discounts to teams they want to play on. 

It’s not just a matter of “Ray needs to offer him more money”. 

There will not even be an attempt, because to the extent Ray has some plan it's making "efficient" and clever moves rather than bringing in talent that makes a difference where it counts.