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Just now, NJDevils1214 said:

Wow I'm second line material? Flattered. Going to have to pull age rank on Bratter and move him to RW though. I like to have that forehand shot coming off the boards.

You roll at a 164 point pace, we gotta give you a shot in the top six. 🤣

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4 hours ago, MB3 said:

This is wishful but incorrect thinking. Vesey and Kreider will be traded. Namestnikov too. Most of their expensive defense has contracts expiring next year. Hank’s deal is up soon and they’ll have goalies on ELCs. 

Gorgiev, Kakko, Chytil, Andersson are all also on ELCs.

theyre fine. It sucks, but they’re fine

If they do what you just said, then Rangers will have an AHL top 12 with Panarin. BTW, the Dmen are all signed until 2021. They are far from fine. Also, just hearing a rumor that the Rangers will most likely sign Trouba for 7 years @ 7.5 to 8 million a year. That is awesome.

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21 minutes ago, pumpkin cutter said:

How much we offering hall? 

I know a lot of people will disagree, anything between 8.5m to 9 for 8 years is more than enough for him. I'd even say 7.5-8.5 million.
In 9 years, he's had 1 full season of game play and been a point per game player only 4 times. The other 5 times, he's been quite average. In another 2-3 years, he will start declining.

Maybe 10/10/10/9/8/7/6/5 which averages to around 8 million per year.

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39 minutes ago, Anhkheg said:

I know a lot of people will disagree, anything between 8.5m to 9 for 8 years is more than enough for him. I'd even say 7.5-8.5 million.
In 9 years, he's had 1 full season of game play and been a point per game player only 4 times. The other 5 times, he's been quite average. In another 2-3 years, he will start declining.

Maybe 10/10/10/9/8/7/6/5 which averages to around 8 million per year.

This is a good way to watch him go out the door. 

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10 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

This is a good way to watch him go out the door. 

Exactly what I was gonna say. Hall will get more than this on the open market. If we want to keep him we'll without a doubt have to give out around 9.5-10.5 per season for 8 years (76-84 mil / 8 years). And I'm totally fine with that. 

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31 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

This is a good way to watch him go out the door. 

Then expect us to get hamstrung. In five years all of us will be complaining about this contract. Hope Shero does not give him an NMC or NTC because we'll be in cap trouble in 3-4 years time. If Hall was 23-25, then absolutely, but he'll be 28 when he signs this and no where near his current price tag 5 years from signing. The better option is to trade him before the trade deadline and get some high picks and prospects. As a matter of fact, a potential trade could involve Marner whom we can definitely sign for 7y@10m.

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8 hours ago, Anhkheg said:

He'd be better off signing with Florida as he'd get more. I really hope he does, it will strap the Rangers from making any future moves.

not true they have big cap hits coming off the next few years as well. He's a big signing for whoever gets him.

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15 minutes ago, Anhkheg said:

Then expect us to get hamstrung. In five years all of us will be complaining about this contract. Hope Shero does not give him an NMC or NTC because we'll be in cap trouble in 3-4 years time. If Hall was 23-25, then absolutely, but he'll be 28 when he signs this and no where near his current price tag 5 years from signing. The better option is to trade him before the trade deadline and get some high picks and prospects. As a matter of fact, a potential trade could involve Marner whom we can definitely sign for 7y@10m.

Couldn’t disagree more with all of this. Enough compiling picks and prospects. It’s time to compete. You don’t trade for a guy like Subban if you’re not planning on making a push. 

Cap trouble is the last thing I’m worried about with this team right now. 

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6 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Couldn’t disagree more with all of this. Enough compiling picks and prospects. It’s time to compete. You don’t trade for a guy like Subban if you’re not planning on making a push. 

Cap trouble is the last thing I’m worried about with this team right now. 

+1 - I don't even understand his thought process for building a winning team without offering big contracts to top players. 

Could help but smh at the thought of not giving Hall a NTC.  I'm sure Hall would be just fine with that.

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1 hour ago, titans04 said:

not true they have big cap hits coming off the next few years as well. He's a big signing for whoever gets him.

To me this is no different than the Nash or Brad Richards signing. You don't build a Stanley Cup contender with a core you keep gutting. Yes Panarin will make them better, but the have to re-sign all their RFAs and some of their core UFAs (which they dont have).

1 hour ago, Nicomo said:

Couldn’t disagree more with all of this. Enough compiling picks and prospects. It’s time to compete. You don’t trade for a guy like Subban if you’re not planning on making a push. 

Cap trouble is the last thing I’m worried about with this team right now. 

We got lucky with our picks and the availability of all the RFAs and UFAs in this cap strapped era. I sure as hell want Jack Hughes to sign for 8y@10m or even 11m as his (expected) return will be high, but Taylor Hall is simply not worth the price tag. I will however, agree to sign him to a 5y @9 mill contract in this cap era or worst case 7@8.5 mill. Being lackadaisical with cap management will lead us to the same problem Pens, Leafs, Preds and Lightning are going through. Lightning being the perfect storm, they just let Trouba go and still cant do anything with Point. We have one stud D-Man, at some point Shero has to trade for another #1 D-Man unless Smith pans out. Personally, Taylor is a great asset to get us a top 2 dman but if Shero isnt careful about the cap, we may end up trading Taylor Hall and 1st rounder for a Jim Fahey, then the reaction of everyone will be priceless.

1 hour ago, pumpkin cutter said:

I would do 9. tell him good luck finding a contender willing to pay more. 

Good point, don't know which contender can currently sign Taylor Hall for 10 million, they're all up against the cap and if Taylor doesn't realize he wont be as effective in 5 years, then we will be struggling while we wait for his contract to expire before we can plan to contend for the cup again.

 

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4 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

If Pavelski hits the open market, is there any place for him here on a short term deal(he's 34)? He is a C, but hasn't he also played wing? 

Sure, if he would accept 3 years or less, but I think that's the sticking point in SJ, isn't it?  I don't think we want to go past that because that's hopefully that's when Jack Hughes and Ty Smith are due a big jump in salary.  Possibly Boqvist too.      

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1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

Sure, if he would accept 3 years or less, but I think that's the sticking point in SJ, isn't it?  I don't think we want to go past that because that's hopefully that's when Jack Hughes and Ty Smith are due a big jump in salary.  Possibly Boqvist too.      

I don’t have a solution, but if everything works out and everyone winds up being a great NHL player, in 3 years we will not be able to afford Hall, Nico, Butcher, Bratt, Smith, Boqvist, and Hughes if they all get huge raises. It just doesn’t work that way in a salary capped sport. 

 

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4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I don’t have a solution, but if everything works out and everyone winds up being a great NHL player, in 3 years we will not be able to afford Hall, Nico, Butcher, Bratt, Smith, Boqvist, and Hughes if they all get huge raises. It just doesn’t work that way in a salary capped sport. 

 

That's a fantastic problem to have and hopefully Ray will be forced to decide which member of a NJ cup team he's gotta dump salary with. 

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4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I don’t have a solution, but if everything works out and everyone winds up being a great NHL player, in 3 years we will not be able to afford Hall, Nico, Butcher, Bratt, Smith, Boqvist, and Hughes if they all get huge raises. It just doesn’t work that way in a salary capped sport. 

 

Now's the time where Ray has to make good assessments on what type of player guys like Bratt, Butcher and Zacha are eventually going to round into and possibly lock them up on long term bargain contracts.   How brilliant do some of those contracts Poile handed out to guys like Josi, Arvidsson and Ekholm right before they broke out look now?   

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