MadDog2020 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Jeez, that is unnatural 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, DevilMinder said: Jeez, that is unnatural McDavid does things that make me question whether or not he’s a cyborg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Coyotes have dropped the the last wild card spot in the west with 3 games at hand on Winnipeg who is just outside of the playoff picture and 3 points behind them. Looks like Hall might get us a good second pick in the first round as long as they don’t win one of the lottery’s for top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jerzey said: Coyotes have dropped the the last wild card spot in the west with 3 games at hand on Winnipeg who is just outside of the playoff picture and 3 points behind them. Looks like Hall might get us a good second pick in the first round as long as they don’t win one of the lottery’s for top 3. That is definitely going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Daniel said: That is definitely going to happen Yeah I’m almost positive if they’re a lottery team they’re going to win it with him on the team. Maybe they’ll be so far out by the deadline that they trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 4:57 PM, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Ouch... It's not even fair to put Vegas in that graphic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Plus these days were known for our seller defense anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 4:57 PM, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Ouch... Wait....we are seriously 4th on that list, and there's that big of a gap between us and 5th? No way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/19/2020 at 10:36 AM, Jerzey said: Yeah I’m almost positive if they’re a lottery team they’re going to win it with him on the team. Maybe they’ll be so far out by the deadline that they trade him. If that happens I will die laughing if Arizona gets a better return than what NJ got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Per an The Athletic article that came out the other day, 86% of NHL players polled said they don't pay attention to advanced stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: Per an The Athletic article that came out the other day, 86% of NHL players polled said they don't pay attention to advanced stats. Why would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Crisis said: Why would they? Just interesting perspective since some hold those very dearly. Some players had some less complimentary things to say about it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I’m not sure I fully understand advanced stats. To me, they’re irrelevant unless they lead to wins, and they won’t lead to wins unless they lead to actual stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) They are most useful for pro scouting only. For instance, look at the numbers of a guy like Jake Gardiner in the playoffs, and you can see why it's a good idea to stay far away from a player like that. So, imho, the negative stats are far more useful than the positive ones. A guy having great puck possession metrics doesn't mean he's going to help you win, but a guy like Gardiner who the opposition scores easily on in high stress times is a definite red flag to avoid. Edited January 21, 2020 by Rob_Ottawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: They are most useful for pro scouting only. For instance, look at the numbers of a guy like Jake Gardiner in the playoffs, and you can see why it's a good idea to stay far away from a player like that. So, imho, the negative stats are far more useful than the positive ones. A guy having great puck possession metrics doesn't mean he's going to help you win, but a guy like Gardiner who the opposition scores easily on in high stress times is a definite red flag to avoid. I understand, but for me, the basis is still in real stats...whether the other team scores. That sounds kind of like plus-minus but you have to actually be involved in the play rather than just being on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Ya I'm actually one of the few who does believe that +/- is a valid stat, especially for defensemen. Sure, you can get unlucky and step on the ice right before a goal is scored, but over the entire season those flukes will balance out. The fact that Damon Severson has such a huge -ve value over his career is no accident or fluke. Same with Scott Stevens having a career value of +395 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Ya I'm actually one of the few who does believe that +/- is a valid stat, especially for defensemen. Sure, you can get unlucky and step on the ice right before a goal is scored, but over the entire season those flukes will balance out. The fact that Damon Severson has such a huge -ve value over his career is no accident or fluke. Same with Scott Stevens having a career value of +395 It is what it is, its not a reflection of your own performance necessarily, its the team's performance while you are playing. But you're right, for the most part nobody is lucking into a high plus rating. That said, I bet if you go look at the defensemen who played with Gretzky on those Oilers teams, they probably benefitted greatly in the plus/minus department. But those situations are rare, arguably non existent in today's NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Exactly. Step on down defensive stalwart.. Mr. Paul Coffey! He had +/- over 50 in the early eighties with EDM, then never ever came close to that once he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Exactly. Step on down defensive stalwart.. Mr. Paul Coffey! He had +/- over 50 in the early eighties with EDM, then never ever came close to that once he left. Gretzky was a different animal. I mean, there's a lot of guys on those Edmonton teams with inflated stats. Part of that is just the era, part of that is The Great One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Exactly. Step on down defensive stalwart.. Mr. Paul Coffey! He had +/- over 50 in the early eighties with EDM, then never ever came close to that once he left. I agree with you in the sense that +/- is probably more of useful stat that most people give it credit for nowadays, but to your point above, while Coffey wasn't exactly a defensive stalwart and almost definitely benefitted in the +/- category from having Gretzky and Messier on his line boosting that stat for him, he himself was also really good at scoring goals, so I think he deserves some credit for his high +/- numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 not NHL but cool nonetheless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, titans04 said: not NHL but cool nonetheless With no one on his team backing him up, that kid did something bad to warrant that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, jagknife said: With no one on his team backing him up, that kid did something bad to warrant that either that or they're all just shocked and confused lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Well the kid that got punched took that extremely well lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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