MadDog2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said: According to reports from this morning, it looks like the pilot simply slammed into the mountain. This immediately brings me back to memories of Stevie Ray Vaughan. He also died in a helicopter crash but after a concert at a resort. IIRC it was foggy as well and his helicopter slammed into the side of an artificial hill. Apparently, the topographical charts the helicopter pilot was using in that case was using an old chart that didn't show the artificial hill since the hill was just recently built by the resort. I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mfitz804 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said: I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢 On the news this morning I saw someone mention that no pilot should allow their passenger into talking them into flying when they feel they shouldn't. But I have not heard anyone (other than rank speculation) say that occurred in this case. Has anyone heard that was actually at play here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said: According to reports from this morning, it looks like the pilot simply slammed into the mountain. This immediately brings me back to memories of Stevie Ray Vaughan. He also died in a helicopter crash but after a concert at a resort. IIRC it was foggy as well and his helicopter slammed into the side of an artificial hill. Apparently, the topographical charts the helicopter pilot was using in that case was using an old chart that didn't show the artificial hill since the hill was just recently built by the resort. 1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said: I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢 Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Also this: Sounds like the flight was supposed to be VFR(visual flight) and they unexpectedly ended up in the fog. Pilot still reported VFR conditions to ATC right before the crash despite it being IMC. Many many aviation accidents result from VFR rated pilots ending up in IMC conditions unexpectedly. Edited January 27, 2020 by NJDevils1214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 9:30 AM, DevsMan84 said: Per an The Athletic article that came out the other day, 86% of NHL players polled said they don't pay attention to advanced stats. It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Daniel said: It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi. I’d say Miles Wood does the same thing, but I’m not sure he’s smart enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, Daniel said: It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi. aka Todd Cordell's man-crush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said: Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. FWIW the SRV accident was about 30 years ago so not sure if even modern helicopters of that day were equipped with terrain radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: FWIW the SRV accident was about 30 years ago so not sure if even modern helicopters of that day were equipped with terrain radar. Def not, but my point was it wasn't as if this pilot would have to be checking charts like back then. It would be a setting on his PFD (if the aircraft was equipped with it). Anyway, sounds like no one had planned for low visibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. Don't they have GPS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, eaglejelly said: Don't they have GPS? While I am no aviation expert, I believe GPS can really only provide latitude and longitude readings. Altitude, pitch, yaw, etc are not provided by GPS and the pilot must rely on instrument readings if they are rated for flying via instrument only. If they are not rated for flying via instrument then they have to rely on visual flying (in essence by looking where they are by their eyes and identifying landmarks/terrain/etc). This is my guess. Those who are more familiar with this can probably explain better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: While I am no aviation expert, I believe GPS can really only provide latitude and longitude readings. Altitude, pitch, yaw, etc are not provided by GPS and the pilot must rely on instrument readings if they are rated for flying via instrument only. If they are not rated for flying via instrument then they have to rely on visual flying (in essence by looking where they are by their eyes and identifying landmarks/terrain/etc). This is my guess. Those who are more familiar with this can probably explain better. I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, eaglejelly said: I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems I’d expect them to have better than an app on your phone, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 just gonna go ahead and leave this here. As if I didn’t foresee this bald headed idiot doing this the day Nashville made the season-killing mistake of thinking he was an upgrade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, eaglejelly said: I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems I can tell you that the plane I fly on has a GCAS (Ground collision avoidance system) that is literally only good for rapid terrain changes or will ping when the ground is closer than what you set it to; and a low power color radar that doesn’t actually show color and we rely on the flashlight effect to know if we’re going to clear terrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Looks like Eddie B had a fun weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Looks like Eddie B had a fun weekend The mug shot 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: The mug shot 🤣 That's the kind of shot that paints this kind of picture: "Uhhh, Eddie...hey Eddie, wake up man, cmon...there ya go..." "Damn, my head, what the hell...where the fvck am I?! Is this a fvcking PRISON?!" "Um, Ed, how much of last night do you remember exactly?" "Well, I, yeah...oh noooo…" And I'm really dating myself here (photo below is from the Incredible Hulk TV show, from the late 70s-early 80s...I actually remember this episode), but that photo kind leads me to believe he was one more Jagr shot from a full "Hulk Out": Edited January 28, 2020 by Colorado Rockies 1976 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Looks like Eddie B had a fun weekend Maybe he dove into the wrong cough syrup again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 https://movieweb.com/mighty-ducks-tv-show-emilio-estevez-disney-plus/ Well even with all the coaches available now Gordon Bombay still got the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Dirty as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 @MadDog2020 you definitely drew this right? LOL 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Dirty as hell. Not a single soul in the hockey world care and would still grab him if they could lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Not a single soul in the hockey world care and would still grab him if they could lol Well no sh!t. Still a bad look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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