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47 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Now the funny part is... now you're trying to control what he says (his opinion) so you're literally doing what you're calling him out for.

His opinion is that we shouldn't talk about what we were talking about. My opinion is that his opinion is sh!t and we can all talk about whatever we want to talk about. I'm not telling him not to talk about anything, I'm telling him not to criticize me and others for talking about something he doesn't want to talk about. 

Pretty easy distinction to recognize. 

27 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

You’re required by law to hate Kovalchuk. 

It is known. 

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11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

His opinion is that we shouldn't talk about what we were talking about. My opinion is that his opinion is sh!t and we can all talk about whatever we want to talk about. I'm not telling him not to talk about anything, I'm telling him not to criticize me and others for talking about something he doesn't want to talk about. 

Pretty easy distinction to recognize. 

It is known. 

He only said he couldn't believe how there's nothing to talk about to the point we're talking about a player who's not here anymore and that we should get discussions going from an upcoming game so we can talk about something current. 

Nowhere in there he's saying we shouldn't be able to talk about Kinkaid. You 200% got ahead of yourself there and assumed what he was saying.. then when he explained... you back-peddled saying "he tried to control", which is also silly and missing his point. 

 

I'm curious though... how do you feel about the tagline "I can't believe it's not butter"

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12 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

His opinion is that we shouldn't talk about what we were talking about. 

I never said anything remotely close to that.  I think that's the issue you've had the whole time, and I'm not sure where it's coming from.  I know you're going to say I implied it, but I did not.  I just really don't understand why me saying "I can't believe we're still talking about KK" is such an objectionable statement to make. SD hit it on the head - it was merely an observation. In any event, I'm over it and moving on. 

36 minutes ago, Crisis said:

7pts in 8 games!

I check the out of town scoreboard quite frequently I and I noticed had had 6 points in 6 games the other day.  Was pretty surprised to see that, considering how bad of a season he had in his return to the NHL last year.  I know people hate him and think he sucks now or is overrated at least, but given the fact that the Kings are pretty much a mess, the fact that he's still a point per game player, especially at his age, is somewhat of an accomplishment. 

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26 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I never said anything remotely close to that.  I think that's the issue you've had the whole time, and I'm not sure where it's coming from.  I know you're going to say I implied it, but I did not.  I just really don't understand why me saying "I can't believe we're still talking about KK" is such an objectionable statement to make. SD hit it on the head - it was merely an observation. In any event, I'm over it and moving on. 

I check the out of town scoreboard quite frequently I and I noticed had had 6 points in 6 games the other day.  Was pretty surprised to see that, considering how bad of a season he had in his return to the NHL last year.  I know people hate him and think he sucks now or is overrated at least, but given the fact that the Kings are pretty much a mess, the fact that he's still a point per game player, especially at his age, is somewhat of an accomplishment

Last season Kovy had a 9-point burst over four games, and later had a 9-points-in-11-games run; of course, he wound up with just 34 points in 64 GP for the year...a guy like him can still provide offense here and there, but it looks like his days of being able to do it consistently in the NHL are very likely over.

Basically, I can't make anything out of a pretty good offensive start to this season...it's just too small of a sample size.  Hell, you could even pick apart his limited sample this year...only one point in his last four GP.  And he's now a -34 in 72 GP as a King. 

I actually don't hate him...I did like the fact that he was starting to become a more complete player here, but if anything I'm glad that he didn't stick around, if he was that unhappy to be a Devil (or in America).  His presence under those circumstances would've been toxic. 

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22 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Last season Kovy had a 9-point burst over four games, and later had a 9-points-in-11-games run; of course, he wound up with just 34 points in 64 GP for the year...a guy like him can still provide offense here and there, but it looks like his days of being able to do it consistently in the NHL are very likely over.

Basically, I can't make anything out of a pretty good offensive start to this season...it's just too small of a sample size.  Hell, you could even pick apart his limited sample this year...only one point in his last four GP.  And he's now a -34 in 72 GP as a King. 

I actually don't hate him...I did like the fact that he was starting to become a more complete player here, but if anything I'm glad that he didn't stick around, if he was that unhappy to be a Devil (or in America).  His presence under those circumstances would've been toxic. 

Yeah, definitely too early to make any sort of meaningful determination.  I was just surprised to see him having somewhat of a decent start to the season.  After last year, I thought he was totally washed up.

EDIT:  To your last point, I don't hate him either.  Certainly don't like him, but it's been long enough now that to me he's irrelevant.

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19 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

EDIT:  To your last point, I don't hate him either.  Certainly don't like him, but it's been long enough now that to me he's irrelevant.

I both hate him and think he's irrelevant. I don't know how to reconcile that, other than by saying I'm a fan and I am not required to be rational. 

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12 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I both hate him and think he's irrelevant. I don't know how to reconcile that, other than by saying I'm a fan and I am not required to be rational. 

Part of me thinks I should hate him, but I just don't see the point.  I think I care a little more now that he's back in the NHL, because when he was with the KHL we hardly heard sh!t about him and it made it so much easier to forget him.  Still, he's old(er) now, and in a few years will probably be done from the league for good, and I think it's all but a certainty that he retires without a Cup, so while I won't go as far as saying I pity him, the reasons for me to hate him are less and less with each passing season.

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22 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Part of me thinks I should hate him, but I just don't see the point.  I think I care a little more now that he's back in the NHL, because when he was with the KHL we hardly heard sh!t about him and it made it so much easier to forget him.  Still, he's old(er) now, and in a few years will probably be done from the league for good, and I think it's all but a certainty that he retires without a Cup, so while I won't go as far as saying I pity him, the reasons for me to hate him are less and less with each passing season.

You're lucky, I hold vendettas forever lol. 

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1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Yeah, definitely too early to make any sort of meaningful determination.  I was just surprised to see him having somewhat of a decent start to the season.  After last year, I thought he was totally washed up.

EDIT:  To your last point, I don't hate him either.  Certainly don't like him, but it's been long enough now that to me he's irrelevant.

I would've hated him a lot more if he had stuck around and been sulking and miserable.  The fact that we didn't have to deal with any of that AND the fact that he completely left the NHL made it easier to mostly forget about him (outside of occasional glances at his KHL numbers). 

Of course, there were fans who lamented his leaving and wondered "what if?", as far as how productive he might have been had he stayed...but I never saw the merit in that.  The Devils would not have had the Kovy of 2011-12 who seemed to be all-in...they would've had the guy who seemingly had to be dragged back here after the lockout ended, and was no longer sure that he really wanted to play for the Devils, in the NHL, and in North America. 

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I always saw getting Kovy off of our cap books so fast as a major win for Lou back then.  I really liked him in our cup run, but unfortunately that run was a last gasp and likely set the franchise back quite a bit.  It made Lou and others misevaluate what we had in the players on the team.

If we had a younger roster, like say the one we have now, then losing him would have hurt a lot more since the window of opportunity is just opening up.

 

 

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I never blamed Kovy for leaving really

The NHL went in another freagin lockout for months... owners wanted to take away even more money from players and it was a big drama. With his huge contract he was going to lose TONS of money.

While he was playing in his home country, being a star in front of HIS people and make even more money. Being happy. Hard to blame the guy for being like "okay screw the NHL i'm staying here"

So i always took it as a fvck the NHL and the owners, (which we were also alllll thinking and thinking about cancelling NHL subscriptions and season tickets etc etc)... so not the fvck the Devils really.

 

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Rangers just got outshot 21-4 in the first period of their game...only down 1, but damn.  

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