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3 hours ago, jagknife said:

In non-hockey news: Kobe Bryant was killed in a helicopter crash 

photos from outside scene Look like it was bad weather. Sadly I think it was pilot error, along the vein of “probably shouldn’t have taken off.”

Not trying to be purposely argumentative but there is really no way of knowing what happened yet. Always important to not jump to conclusions before the info is in. Pilot error gets tossed around a lot and some rain and fog aren't really reasons to ground a flight, that is where there are IFR ratings. 

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2 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Not trying to be purposely argumentative but there is really no way of knowing what happened yet. Always important to not jump to conclusions before the info is in. Pilot error gets tossed around a lot and some rain and fog aren't really reasons to ground a flight, that is where there are IFR ratings

I know... the 217/202v3 is pretty much half of my job. But I get what you’re saying. Shouldn’t speculate until something is founded.

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12 minutes ago, jagknife said:

I know... the 217/202v3 is pretty much half of my job. But I get what you’re saying. Shouldn’t speculate until something is founded.

Yea that's what I meant. I would be more inclined to entertain it if it were some weekend pilot taking his family for a spin or something. "Have to get there itus" is definitely a thing. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I thought we only had hockey nerds here, apparently aviation ones too!!

I am, but I'm only a keyboard pilot unfortunately(so far). 

 

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48 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I thought we only had hockey nerds here, apparently aviation ones too!!

 

44 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I am, but I'm only a keyboard pilot unfortunately(so far). 

 

Not a pilot, but I stop them from making stupid decisions and I get to do cooler things while they drive the bus 😉

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According to reports from this morning, it looks like the pilot simply slammed into the mountain.

This immediately brings me back to memories of Stevie Ray Vaughan.  He also died in a helicopter crash but after a concert at a resort.  IIRC it was foggy as well and his helicopter slammed into the side of an artificial hill.  Apparently, the topographical charts the helicopter pilot was using in that case was using an old chart that didn't show the artificial hill since the hill was just recently built by the resort.

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

According to reports from this morning, it looks like the pilot simply slammed into the mountain.

This immediately brings me back to memories of Stevie Ray Vaughan.  He also died in a helicopter crash but after a concert at a resort.  IIRC it was foggy as well and his helicopter slammed into the side of an artificial hill.  Apparently, the topographical charts the helicopter pilot was using in that case was using an old chart that didn't show the artificial hill since the hill was just recently built by the resort.

I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢

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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢

On the news this morning I saw someone mention that no pilot should allow their passenger into talking them into flying when they feel they shouldn't. But I have not heard anyone (other than rank speculation) say that occurred in this case. 

Has anyone heard that was actually at play here?

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2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

According to reports from this morning, it looks like the pilot simply slammed into the mountain.

This immediately brings me back to memories of Stevie Ray Vaughan.  He also died in a helicopter crash but after a concert at a resort.  IIRC it was foggy as well and his helicopter slammed into the side of an artificial hill.  Apparently, the topographical charts the helicopter pilot was using in that case was using an old chart that didn't show the artificial hill since the hill was just recently built by the resort.

 

1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

I was watching the Today show this morning and Tom Costello was reporting that the pilot may have become spatially disoriented due to the fog and low cloud ceiling.... the LAPD grounded all of their helicopters yesterday morning due to the low visibility and cloud conditions. It’s such a sad, sad story. It certainly sounds like that chopper should’ve never gone up. 😢

Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. 

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Also this:

Sounds like the flight was supposed to be VFR(visual flight) and they unexpectedly ended up in the fog. Pilot still reported VFR conditions to ATC right before the crash despite it being IMC. Many many aviation accidents result from VFR rated pilots ending up in IMC conditions unexpectedly. 

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On 1/21/2020 at 9:30 AM, DevsMan84 said:

Per an The Athletic article that came out the other day, 86% of NHL players polled said they don't pay attention to advanced stats.

It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi.

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3 minutes ago, Daniel said:

It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi.

I’d say Miles Wood does the same thing, but I’m not sure he’s smart enough...

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32 minutes ago, Daniel said:

It's been rumored that Beau Bennett would take a lot of low percentage shot attempts to intentionally boost his Corsi.

aka Todd Cordell's man-crush.

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1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. 

FWIW the SRV accident was about 30 years ago so not sure if even modern helicopters of that day were equipped with terrain radar. 

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21 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

FWIW the SRV accident was about 30 years ago so not sure if even modern helicopters of that day were equipped with terrain radar. 

Def not, but my point was it wasn't as if this pilot would have to be checking charts like back then. It would be a setting on his PFD (if the aircraft was equipped with it). Anyway, sounds like no one had planned for low visibility.

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4 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

Would be pretty crazy if that is the case. Pilot's have to spend extensive time training to get their IFR rating flying in low visibility conditions so they know how to avoid spacial disorientation-- same thing that killed the Kennedy who was flying to Martha's Vinyard but he lacked the training to fly in those conditions. Plenty of modern aircraft the caliber of what Kobe owned are also usually equipped with terrain radar and most pilot's brief themselves extensively on potential ground obstacles. Just a massive accident. 

Don't they have GPS?

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20 minutes ago, eaglejelly said:

Don't they have GPS?

While I am no aviation expert, I believe GPS can really only provide latitude and longitude readings.  Altitude, pitch, yaw, etc are not provided by GPS and the pilot must rely on instrument readings if they are rated for flying via instrument only.  If they are not rated for flying via instrument then they have to rely on visual flying (in essence by looking where they are by their eyes and identifying landmarks/terrain/etc). 

This is my guess.  Those who are more familiar with this can probably explain better.

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8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

While I am no aviation expert, I believe GPS can really only provide latitude and longitude readings.  Altitude, pitch, yaw, etc are not provided by GPS and the pilot must rely on instrument readings if they are rated for flying via instrument only.  If they are not rated for flying via instrument then they have to rely on visual flying (in essence by looking where they are by their eyes and identifying landmarks/terrain/etc). 

This is my guess.  Those who are more familiar with this can probably explain better.

I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems

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2 hours ago, eaglejelly said:

I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems

I’d expect them to have better than an app on your phone, actually.

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just gonna go ahead and leave this here. As if I didn’t foresee this bald headed idiot doing this the day Nashville made the season-killing mistake of thinking he was an upgrade.

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7 hours ago, eaglejelly said:

I obviously have no clue, but since my phone can track every little hill when I'm out running, I would expect planes and Helicopters to have similar systems

I can tell you that the plane I fly on has a GCAS (Ground collision avoidance system) that is literally only good for rapid terrain changes or will ping when the ground is closer than what you set it to; and a low power color radar that doesn’t actually show color and we rely on the flashlight effect to know if we’re going to clear terrain. 

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