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3 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Yeah this idea that you need to be garbage for a decade with no signs of improvement until the team is "ready" is just plain silly. We can still build and maybe look competitive once in a while. Maybe after 5 years, having a season that isn't over in October isn't that much to ask

Nah, as long as we accumulate picks and prospects year after year we should be good.  Screw the results in the NHL.  It's all about the perpetual acquisition of "assets" and having our prospect pool look good on paper.

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8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

We still had Palmieri and I guess Wood.  The former would have brought back a good haul.  I guess 55 points is too much to lose for this team.

See above with Palmieri

Not really sure what you mean... 55 points is too much to lose for this team.  And that's not even what the Rangers did anyway.  Sure they may have turned over a fair amount of their roster and accelerated their rebuild, but there's definitely a chunk of guys still there, and have been there for a while.   Buchnevich is in his 4th season...Fast is in his 7th season...Krieder is in his 8th season...Marc Staal is in his 13th season... Brendan Smith is in his 4th season...

So, yeah, we barely have guys who have been on the team 2-3 years, and they have a handful that have been at least 4, and others, as I pointed out, that have been there much longer.  So it's not really fair or accurate to say that they rebooted their entire roster and we didn't.  

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On the Thursday episode of Chiclets, they were talking about the CHL-NHL agreement which is expiring and no extension is in the works yet. The big thing that could become an issue is the removal of the rule that prevents CHL guys from “graduating” to the AHL before they age out of the CHL. They were in favor of it, especially since it doesn’t help development of guys to just dominate juniors or struggle in the NHL, they should have some intermediary option.

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16 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Not really sure what you mean... 55 points is too much to lose for this team.  And that's not even what the Rangers did anyway.  Sure they may have turned over a fair amount of their roster and accelerated their rebuild, but there's definitely a chunk of guys still there, and have been there for a while.   Buchnevich is in his 4th season...Fast is in his 7th season...Krieder is in his 8th season...Marc Staal is in his 13th season... Brendan Smith is in his 4th season...

So, yeah, we barely have guys who have been on the team 2-3 years, and they have a handful that have been at least 4, and others, as I pointed out, that have been there much longer.  So it's not really fair or accurate to say that they rebooted their entire roster and we didn't.  

Four of their top 5 guys points-wise on their team were not a Ranger before 2016-17 season.  If you want to go further then 8 of their top 10 scoring guys were not on the Rangers prior to 2016-17 season.

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

I am constantly being told that 5 years is unrealistic and then I look at the Rangers and see otherwise.  I know they aren't winning the cup, but they seem to be way ahead of us in much shorter time.

Well the big difference is Panarin. There is really nothing the Devils can do about top FA’s not wanting to sign there. 

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

Well the big difference is Panarin. There is really nothing the Devils can do about top FA’s not wanting to sign there. 

He is the only UFA signing from the their top 5 scorers (who all have more points than Palms).

Out of the other 4, three are from trades and 1 was drafted by the Rangers.

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Just now, DevsMan84 said:

He is the only UFA signing from the their top 5 scorers (who all have more points than Palms).

Out of the other 4, three are from trades and 1 was drafted by the Rangers.

The Rags don’t even sniff a playoff spot without Panarin. Period. We might be a bubble team too if we had a 90 point player right now. 

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2 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Well the big difference is Panarin. There is really nothing the Devils can do about top FA’s not wanting to sign there. 

The thing that irks me a little, yeah we didn’t want to overspend for guys two summers ago, but I remember Ray openly saying he didn’t even call certain UFAs. Again, some could have been overpayments, especially based on their performances with their new teams, but to not even reach out was stupid. 

Ray was solid for trades, but it definitely seems as though he couldn’t sell the team to UFAs. Sure we’ll be in the Rags’ shadow, but other than the team being bad, the GM needs to be able to entice free agents. Here’s to hoping Fitz, or his replacement, can.

5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

He is the only UFA signing from the their top 5 scorers (who all have more points than Palms).

Out of the other 4, three are from trades and 1 was drafted by the Rangers.

Our coaches have a sh!t system, too, it’s no secret.

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The Rangers have completed their rebuild despite the fact that Chtyil is their only draft pick from the past three years that's really making anything close to an impact.  They're only going to get better as Kakko laps the invisible boy Hughes and K'Andre Miller turns out to be the superior defenseman to Ty Smith. 

Everything the Devils have been doing is wrong, and it's not a coincidence that it started when analytics dopes took over the franchise.  Maybe we get new owners who proceed to toss Dellow and Cain out of the building Victor Maitland style.   Sadly that's not going to happen, and Mike Yeo is going to be our next coach and a useless non-entity in Mike Gillis is going to be the GM.

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1 minute ago, Daniel said:

The Rangers have completed their rebuild despite the fact that Chtyil is their only draft pick from the past three years that's really making anything close to an impact.  They're only going to get better as Kakko laps the invisible boy Hughes and K'Andre Miller turns out to be the superior defenseman to Ty Smith. 

Everything the Devils have been doing is wrong, and it's not a coincidence that it started when analytics dopes took over the franchise.  Maybe we get new owners who proceed to toss Dellow and Cain out of the building Victor Maitland style.   Sadly that's not going to happen, and Mike Yeo is going to be our next coach and a useless non-entity in Mike Gillis is going to be the GM.

This is hysterical. Mr “played against men” is tied in points (on a way better team with 5 more games played) with our guy who everyone in the hockey world said would need some time to reach his true potential. Kakko has been a far bigger disappointment based on expectations. Idc who went 1st and who went 2nd. 

You guys are too much. 

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Just now, Nicomo said:

This is hysterical. Mr “played against men” is tied in points (on a way better team with 5 more games played) with our guy who everyone in the hockey world said would need some time to reach his true potential. Kakko has been a far bigger disappointment based on expectations. Idc who went 1st and who went 2nd. 

You guys are too much. 

Kakko has not been given the opportunities that Hughes have precisely because Kakko has better forwards he's competing for ice time with. 

Hughes is the next Yakupov.  Kakko will be the next Draisatl.

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41 minutes ago, jagknife said:

The thing that irks me a little, yeah we didn’t want to overspend for guys two summers ago, but I remember Ray openly saying he didn’t even call certain UFAs. Again, some could have been overpayments, especially based on their performances with their new teams, but to not even reach out was stupid. 

Ray was solid for trades, but it definitely seems as though he couldn’t sell the team to UFAs. Sure we’ll be in the Rags’ shadow, but other than the team being bad, the GM needs to be able to entice free agents. Here’s to hoping Fitz, or his replacement, can.

Our coaches have a sh!t system, too, it’s no secret.

I don't think Scotty Bowman can turn Palmieri into a 60+ point guy consistently.

At some point you got to lay the blame at the feet of the players.

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14 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Kakko has not been given the opportunities that Hughes have precisely because Kakko has better forwards he's competing for ice time with. 

Hughes is the next Yakupov.  Kakko will be the next Draisatl.

LMAO

Kakko is averaging 14:24 minutes a game (Hughes 16:00), and has been on the PP all season. He’s hardly being held back. 

He was supposed to have an IMMEDIATE impact coming into the league. To suggest he hasn’t been more disappointing than Hughes is disingenuous, and typical doom and gloom grass is always greener bullsh!t. 

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

I don't think Scotty Bowman can turn Palmieri into a 60+ point guy consistently.

At some point you got to lay the blame at the feet of the players.

Well tbf it’s probably more a case of Palms being asked to do too much. He’d be a perfect 2nd line RW. 

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33 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Kakko has not been given the opportunities that Hughes have precisely because Kakko has better forwards he's competing for ice time with. 

Hughes is the next Yakupov.  Kakko will be the next Draisatl.

You're absolutely reversing the words that pretty much every professional hockey analyst had going into this season. 

It was well known that Hughes was going to take more time to develop but probably had a higher ceiling, but that Kaako would hit his slightly lower ceiling sooner because he's pLaYeD wItH mEn more. 

I'm a little disappointed in Hughes so far. I wanted to see a little more. But to decide not only that he's a total bust, but also that Kaako is going to be one of the best in the league based on what we've seen is doom and gloom nonsense. No one is happy with the team right now other than a few Shero apologists, but this is going off the deep end level stuff 

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Speaking of...

https://www.nhl.com/news/devils-jack-hughes-looking-for-improvement/c-315916930

Parts I find particularly relevant:

 "I'm not a great player in this League yet ... not even close. But I'm 18 years old and have a lot of room to grow."

Nice to see him own up to it. I have no doubt he’ll do what it takes to improve. 

The forward entered the League to much publicity after becoming the first player from the USA Hockey National Team Development Program Under-18 team to go directly from the draft to playing in the NHL. (The program's first season was 1997-98.)

This really cannot be overstated. Call it an excuse if you want, but it’s a huge deal, and is exactly why he was projected to need some time to flourish. 

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Speaking of Zibanejad, the Rangers got him by trading Brassard and a 7th rounder for him.  Meanwhile, Palmieri couldn't seem to get anything remotely close to that sort of offer from the responses that Fitz made and Palmieri is fairly comparable (well at the time).

My question is, why does the Rangers seem to get actual NHL players in their trades with other teams while the Devils are stuck with prospects and even more picks?  Is that on the level of talent on us or that our GM's don't know what they are doing?

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I see the Zibanejed fiver has driven the usual suspects from the deep end to the padded room....

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11 hours ago, MB3 said:

The culmination of being a fan of one of the most pathetic franchises in sports this past decade is saying “yay, our two biggest rivals are gonna make the playoffs. now they won’t have an early draft pick!” 

my friend is a rangers fan, one of the few good ones. over beers last night he was saying how happy he was, because it had felt so helpless cheering for those “hideously bad” rangers teams the past few years.

there is nothing “good for us!!!!!!” about their rebuild taking 10% of the time as ours while they celebrate their second best player (who would be our best by a goddamned country mile) score five goals in a single game as they’re galloping towards a playoff spot. 

i’m so goddamned sick of cheering for such a pitiful group of losers. 

i get it.

But not all rebuild are the same either. It sucks to give them credits but they do deserve some credits along a lot of luck.

First, few years ago they realized they were not going to get better keeping things the way they were and that they were trending down so they made a long-term decision and announced to the fans they were rebuilding. And they traded some big players that still had value then and got good value out of them and they drafted well in the last decade. They didn't wait til their team was way too old and deprived of assets like we did. They had a way way bette headstart to their rebuild than we did. 

Then they had the luxury of having one of the best player in the NHL signing there and only there. VS us having one of the best player in the NHL wanting to leave. And of course they fvcking land 2 great young goalies when they already had one. And then other teams trading with them where they get an amazing deal. fvck off honestly. Their fans probably don't even understand how lucky they are. 

But yeah, again. It sucks to admit but on top of the incredible luck they got, they also managed their rebuild really well

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10 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i get it.

But not all rebuild are the same either. It sucks to give them credits but they do deserve some credits along a lot of luck.

First, few years ago they realized they were not going to get better keeping things the way they were and that they were trending down so they made a long-term decision and announced to the fans they were rebuilding. And they traded some big players that still had value then and got good value out of them and they drafted well in the last decade. They didn't wait til their team was way too old and deprived of assets like we did. They had a way way bette headstart to their rebuild than we did. 

Then they had the luxury of having one of the best player in the NHL signing there and only there. VS us having one of the best player in the NHL wanting to leave. And of course they fvcking land 2 great young goalies when they already had one. And then other teams trading with them where they get an amazing deal. fvck off honestly. Their fans probably don't even understand how lucky they are. 

But yeah, again. It sucks to admit but on top of the incredible luck they got, they also managed their rebuild really well

Realizing that having good players and good coaching is how you win and not having a preposterous notion that there is a theoretical value that is attached to someone's cap hit has nothing to do with luck.  Unfortunately, Messrs. Dellow and Cain, who now run the Devils, believe the latter is true.   It's why both of them were failures before they got here and will continue to be so.

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Also while nobody has mentioned it, there's an inevitable, indisputable truth that remains looming with regard to all of the above:

Fvck the Rangers. 

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33 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Realizing that having good players and good coaching is how you win and not having a preposterous notion that there is a theoretical value that is attached to someone's cap hit has nothing to do with luck.  Unfortunately, Messrs. Dellow and Cain, who now run the Devils, believe the latter is true.   It's why both of them were failures before they got here and will continue to be so.

Yeah the whole analytics team having more power than it should and the owners buying it is really worrying me. 

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39 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Also while nobody has mentioned it, there's an inevitable, indisputable truth that remains looming with regard to all of the above:

Fvck the Rangers. 

 

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

i get it.

But not all rebuild are the same either. It sucks to give them credits but they do deserve some credits along a lot of luck.

First, few years ago they realized they were not going to get better keeping things the way they were and that they were trending down so they made a long-term decision and announced to the fans they were rebuilding. And they traded some big players that still had value then and got good value out of them and they drafted well in the last decade. They didn't wait til their team was way too old and deprived of assets like we did. They had a way way bette headstart to their rebuild than we did. 

Then they had the luxury of having one of the best player in the NHL signing there and only there. VS us having one of the best player in the NHL wanting to leave. And of course they fvcking land 2 great young goalies when they already had one. And then other teams trading with them where they get an amazing deal. fvck off honestly. Their fans probably don't even understand how lucky they are. 

But yeah, again. It sucks to admit but on top of the incredible luck they got, they also managed their rebuild really well

They made that announcement to fans in February of 2018.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/a-message-from-glen-sather-and-jeff-gorton-about-our-team/c-295742648

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

And of course they fvcking land 2 great young goalies when they already had one.

I think I threw up in my mouth a little. I can take a lot, but not compliments to King Nothing. 

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