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I guess I wish we had a captain that actually had the ability to make an impact out there - whether it be a top pair shutdown defenseman (Subban), elite scoring forward (Hall), or up-and-coming elite two way forward (Nico).  I'm just not crazy about your team's captain being basically a fringe NHLer - think it makes for an awkward dynamic.  But again what the hell do I know, I'm not in the room.

I know that it's not necessarily a requirement that every captain out there be an outspoken superstar player but.. it can't hurt can it?

19 hours ago, sundstrom said:

greene has always been a behind the scenes captain. you don't see him too often in the post game media scrums. those are almost always hall, palms and zajac along with whoever the goaltender was that night.

I'd prefer the Devils go with a captain that DOES handle the media well - but again, not necessarily a requirement obviously.

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2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Is it really going to make you feel better if Greene all of a sudden gets "real" in some postgame press conference?  How do you know he's not already taking himself and the rest of his team, but only the people who matter are the ones actually hearing it?

 

You're right in saying that we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. There's an element of interest for me in wondering who the leaders are behind the scenes and how the players really are. The "Hard Knocks" type series are really compelling in this way even if you have this sense that the cameras shouldn't be in there. The hockey versions of Hard Knocks have never been done well.

Braveheart-type speeches from the captain aren't going to do much to get a team on a winning track - but there's legitimate debate to be had about how much the right or wrong attitude pervading a locker room can affect play on the ice. But I think the whole locker room leadership dynamic thing works the other way around. When a team is winning, everyone is happy and pumped up, when the team is losing, everyone is pissed off and low-energy.  The Devils just need to find a way to win and everything else will fall into place.

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36 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

I'd prefer the Devils go with a captain that DOES handle the media well - but again, not necessarily a requirement obviously.

Not me, but I'm old school. Shut your fvcking mouth and play hockey. 

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8 hours ago, Neb00rs said:

When a team is winning, everyone is happy and pumped up, when the team is losing, everyone is pissed off and low-energy.  The Devils just need to find a way to win and everything else will fall into place.

Feel like people have been saying this* about the Oilers for about 10 years now..

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1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said:

I guess I wish we had a captain that actually had the ability to make an impact out there - whether it be a top pair shutdown defenseman (Subban), elite scoring forward (Hall), or up-and-coming elite two way forward (Nico).  I'm just not crazy about your team's captain being basically a fringe NHLer - think it makes for an awkward dynamic.  But again what the hell do I know, I'm not in the room.

I know that it's not necessarily a requirement that every captain out there be an outspoken superstar player but.. it can't hurt can it?

I'd prefer the Devils go with a captain that DOES handle the media well - but again, not necessarily a requirement obviously.

Those players can still make an impact without a "C" on their jersey. The rah-rah captain thing is vastly overrated anyway. Like you said, we aren't in the room but from what we've read, Greene, Zajac and to an extent Schneider are the respected long term "elders" and I don't see it as worth the damage it would do in the locker room to give it to someone else. 

My guess is its either Hall or Nico next year if Greene is gone. 

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1 hour ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Those players can still make an impact without a "C" on their jersey. The rah-rah captain thing is vastly overrated anyway. Like you said, we aren't in the room but from what we've read, Greene, Zajac and to an extent Schneider are the respected long term "elders" and I don't see it as worth the damage it would do in the locker room to give it to someone else. 

My guess is its either Hall or Nico next year if Greene is gone. 

We were beyond spoiled with Stevens as captain. He didnt have to talk to the media to lead, he'd just go out and hit the first body he saw and the momentum swung.

Crosby, even with all of his faults, goes out, makes a flashy play and boom, the team gets motivated. Hell he figuratively scoffed at the Coleman one hander last year and raised it a baseball swing, OT winner. Ovie is a Russian Psycho. Dustin Brown wasn't a flashy guy, nor a huge hitter, but he could shut the other team down as a checking forward, then Kopitar got the C and combined a little flash with some PK prowess, etc.

Just different dynamics for different teams. Do I think Greene is not the great captain? IDK, not in the room and thats really all we have to go off of based on his declining play. But as much as I despise the guy, he can't and shouldn't be stripped of the C this season. Just don't ask me what my take is on him for next year....

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3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Not me, but I'm old school. Shut your fvcking mouth and play hockey. 

Is that old school?  I feel like some of the best of the best have been doing it for a long time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think in a lot of cases the captaincy means more to the fans than it does to the players.  According to the NHL rule book, all the C means is that they are allowed to discuss things to the ref.  I know most, if not all, teams use it as a leadership role, but like others have said I don't think the team thinks that long and hard about it.

I think a leadership core is more important than who has the C.  When we were winning cups, we had a core of guys like Stevens, Brodeur, Nieds, Daneyko, McKay, Elias, Langs, MacLean, etc.  Some had letters on their jerseys while some didn't, but I don't think in the locker room it mattered much to those guys.

Our core right now is Greene, Hall, Palms, Zajac, Hischier, Subban and Schneider.  That is far better than what we have rolled out in the past.  This doesn't include players like Hughes who may join that group faster than we think.

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5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I think in a lot of cases the captaincy means more to the fans than it does to the players.  According to the NHL rule book, all the C means is that they are allowed to discuss things to the ref.  I know most, if not all, teams use it as a leadership role, but like others have said I don't think the team thinks that long and hard about it.

I think a leadership core is more important than who has the C.  When we were winning cups, we had a core of guys like Stevens, Brodeur, Nieds, Daneyko, McKay, Elias, Langs, MacLean, etc.  Some had letters on their jerseys while some didn't, but I don't think in the locker room it mattered much to those guys.

Our core right now is Greene, Hall, Palms, Zajac, Hischier, Subban and Schneider.  That is far better than what we have rolled out in the past.  This doesn't include players like Hughes who may join that group faster than we think.

Agreed.  Having multiple guys be and act as leaders is better than one or none.  In the absence of said core or group though, I think players will default to whoever is wearing that C, be it for inspiration, guidance, help, optimism, energy, etc.  

Obviously none of us here ever played in the NHL, and I'm sure there are a lot of guys here that never played the game themselves at all, but I have for a long time, and I know when I play(ed) I would try to be a source of all of those things I mentioned for my teammates - I tried to do this when I didn't have the 'C' on my jersey, but if I did, I tried 1,000 times more to make sure I did, and that I was good at it.  I guess you could say I felt the obligation to do so.  I know when I didn't have the C, I and we're facing adversity mid-game, I'd look down the bench and try to find the guy who did have the C, and see what he was doing or saying. Or after a loss in the locker room and not much is being said, you just got your ass beat and your skulls caved in, and it's pretty quiet.  No one wants to say anything or break the ice, people are just taking off their equipment and feeling like sh!t.  You look for the captain to say something.  People may think I'm making more of a spectacle out of it than it needs to be, and I get that, but this is just literally how I have felt actually in those types of situations, so I guess I just assume/expect NHLers with a lot more on the line to approach it in a similar or even stronger way.  

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well... i can't say that this isn't brilliant

edit: The Devils should do this but with jelly jars in memory of Lou

 

 

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James Neal with 4 goals last night, 6 for the season in 3 games.   Looks like the Oilers may have finally won a trade.   Good for them, it's a shame watching McDavid and Drai waste away up there on their own. 

I still don't understand that move from the Flames perspective.   James Neal had a bad year, Lucic looks done.      

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10 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

well... i can't say that this isn't brilliant

edit: The Devils should do this but with jelly jars in memory of Lou

 

 

Hopefully NJ gives them a reason to use it. 

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20 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

 

1 bad start in MTL and Kink will have to hire a social media team to handle the twitter blocks he will need to dish out.

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27 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

1 bad start in MTL and Kink will have to hire a social media team to handle the twitter blocks he will need to dish out.

Hopefully he doesn't know French or he'll have a real tough time

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13 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Hopefully he doesn't know French or he'll have a real tough time

What’s French for Chipotle sucking loser?

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20 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

What’s French for Chipotle sucking loser?

Tournevis océan armoire

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Tournevis océan armoire

I Google translated this to make sure it wasn’t about me. 

The result was a perfect description of KK. 

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3 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Tournevis océan armoire

According to google translate, this says "Cabinet ocean screwdriver"

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

According to google translate, this says "Cabinet ocean screwdriver"

If that’s not a description of KK, I don’t know what is. 

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2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

According to google translate, this says "Cabinet ocean screwdriver"

Sounds like me when I'm trying to figure out what the emojis in KK's tweets mean. "Cabinet...ocean...screwdriver...?"

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3 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Sounds like me when I'm trying to figure out what the emojis in KK's tweets mean. "Cabinet...ocean...screwdriver...?"

It’s sounds like me reading a @Guadana post. 

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53 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s sounds like me reading a @Guadana post. 

I’m not your buddy anymore. It’s so offensive and rude. My shracadabra has logic!

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