mfitz804 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AEWHistory said: I am just tired on unprovoked personal attacks on this site. It is why I rarely post. This site is just awful sometimes.... If you view those two posts as “personal attacks” you must be incredibly sensitive, or just not used to people talking to you. Edited October 17, 2019 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Devs3cups Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Nicomo said: A horrible start after a hyped up summer will do that to a hockey message board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Wtf! You guys are real? I got the internet to avoid real people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, jagknife said: this is like you going to your boss and admitting you’re lost and don’t have any answers in fact, to me, this makes Hynes look even worse That's presuming you actually believe that lame ass cover story. I'm shocked anyone does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 hours ago, AEWHistory said: I am just tired on unprovoked personal attacks on this site. It is why I rarely post. This site is just awful sometimes.... So what Utopian site do you post on? There’s a huge difference between “personal attacks” and jostling especially when the team isn’t winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lundegaard Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 If they lose at home tonight to the Rangers, there's no doubt Hynes HAS to go. Worst PP AND PK in the league and 2nd worst in the league Goals For per game. We are dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Yeah I don't believe for one second that Hynes went and asked Shero for more help on the ice. This is a boss covering his favorite employee's ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said: That's presuming you actually believe that lame ass cover story. I'm shocked anyone does. Yeah, I didn't even feel like Ray made a full-hearted attempt to bullsh!t. The only way John Hynes going to Ray and asking Fitz to come coach makes sense is if it was in the form of, "Listen Ray, Nasreddine sucks, I need Fitz to fill his role." And I don't really see him throwing anyone under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Daniel said: I think the only thing the Fitz move guarantees is that Hynes gets at least two more games until the five game break. I don't think it should take him that long to figure out that Hynes is or is not beyond saving especially based on the results on Thursday and Saturday. I wish I was as optimistic as you are. But I dont think Shero will ever fire Hynes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs3cups Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I like that Fitz is going behind the bench. Maybe that will kick the guys in the ass to play better and make the coaches take better decisions. I understand being concerned with the coaches and the system and the decisions he takes cause I am concerned with Hynes and the staff. But the guys aren't playing well at all and are taking sh!t decisions constantly. They need to step up, they look real real bad and I refuse to think it's only because of coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger27 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Devs3cups said: I like that Fitz is going behind the bench. Maybe that will kick the guys in the ass to play better and make the coaches take better decisions. I understand being concerned with the coaches and the system and the decisions he takes cause I am concerned with Hynes and the staff. But the guys aren't playing well at all and are taking sh!t decisions constantly. They need to step up, they look real real bad and I refuse to think it's only because of coaching. Shero with the mafia move, Fitz will be analyzing every move Hynes makes. lol Edited October 17, 2019 by Gunslinger27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 the only way it makes sense to me is that Hynes asked because the players are simply not doing what he's asking them to do... so in some sort of... i'm doing things right.. it's on them. But even that doesn't make sense lol it's his job to make them it's pretty strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, slasher72 said: I wish I was as optimistic as you are. But I dont think Shero will ever fire Hynes. If it goes this bad all season, they might both be out the door together, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 i think the entire management team from Shero through Hynes and his staff is blaming this on the players. While they certainly shoulder blame, these guys clearly have skill and ability. Its for the coach to get the most out of it. say what you want - this team is wrapped in a culture of losing. For the true core of this team, that's really all they've known. Yes, Zajac and Greene had winning seasons earlier in their career but that was a lifetime ago in sports. the one playoff run year seems like the outlier and these guys are almost conditioned to losing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, sundstrom said: i think the entire management team from Shero through Hynes and his staff is blaming this on the players. While they certainly shoulder blame, these guys clearly have skill and ability. Its for the coach to get the most out of it. say what you want - this team is wrapped in a culture of losing. For the true core of this team, that's really all they've known. Yes, Zajac and Greene had winning seasons earlier in their career but that was a lifetime ago in sports. the one playoff run year seems like the outlier and these guys are almost conditioned to losing. You're wrong-- Just saying what I want. The wrapped in a losing culture thing couldn't be more wrong. There is a difference between losing and a losing culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Hayden in over Boqvist tonight. Just noting it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger27 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Big question , Is Hynes game plan the wrong game plan for this roster ? There is some good talent on this roster, but the lack of break downs, looks to me its the game plan, and the lack thereof, When opposing teams start to adjust to the flow of the game, Hynes has not. Ugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Devil Dan 56 said: If it goes this bad all season, they might both be out the door together, then. That's what happen in Pittsburg for Shero... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said: You're wrong-- Just saying what I want. The wrapped in a losing culture thing couldn't be more wrong. There is a difference between losing and a losing culture. Losing is accepted in this organization now. It’s sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said: Hayden in over Boqvist tonight. Just noting it All we can be biased. Boqvist is shiny toy, Hayden is a grit man. Must be a grit man in ideal world. But I opened fenwick and Corsi stats and don’t understand. Edited October 17, 2019 by Guadana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, moustic said: That's what happen in Pittsburg for Shero... this right here was Lemieux owner at the time? j/w Edited October 17, 2019 by lazer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, sundstrom said: i think the entire management team from Shero through Hynes and his staff is blaming this on the players. While they certainly shoulder blame, these guys clearly have skill and ability. Its for the coach to get the most out of it. say what you want - this team is wrapped in a culture of losing. For the true core of this team, that's really all they've known. Yes, Zajac and Greene had winning seasons earlier in their career but that was a lifetime ago in sports. the one playoff run year seems like the outlier and these guys are almost conditioned to losing. Harris and Blitzer seem to be OK with the status quo in Philly. The head coach there has been on the job for 7 years and has a winning pct under .400. My biggest fear is the owners just look at the team as an investment and nothing more. If they win or lose, it's immaterial to them in such a scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 its a mix of both i guess... i mean... i usually like Palms... but he's been sh!t so far. So many times we lost possession because he made a terrible pass, couldnt control the puck or made bad decisions which often resulted in a goal or a scoring opportunity.. stuff like that is not on Hynes and it will happen to every players through a season. But when ALL your players are strugling to achieve anything... then yeah.. thats often the coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: Losing is accepted in this organization now. It’s sad. It just really seems like really bad coaching to me. The bottom line there's enough talent on our defense: upper echelon like Subban, top 100 types like Severson and Vatanen, adequate like Greene, Butcher and not worse than replacement like Carrick. Talent-wise this is far far superior to the 2012 group or even many of the post-lockout teams that were all comfortable playoff teams. How can one not conclude it's the coaches? It's similar with the forwards. Have we had this talented a forward group since the lockout? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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