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2 hours ago, jagknife said:

(Space reserved for tonight’s limp you-know-what effort that even a fist full of viagra wouldn’t fix, that Hynes will undoubtedly blame on the lay-off and not him not having them prepared)

Post-game probably...

Hynes: Tough building.

Media: You were at home.

Hynes: Yea, tough building. 

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20 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

See, I'm just not seeing that.  I'll admit he doesn't always look like he might be in the best position when he doesn't have the puck perhaps, but I really don't see him committing turnovers, and he's certainly not taking penalties (only 1 in 9 games), so I just think him being labeled this giant liability is a bit overblown.  

Thought I was the only one, agree 100%, he's a convenient scapegoat. I know he's not great defensively, but you'd think teams are scoring everytime he's on the ice, given all the talk you see about him. But Hynes benches him in the 3rd to protect leads anyway, and we lose those leads anyway, so it's hard to not see this as a deficiency in the system, and a coach who doesn't know how to tailor things to get more out of a few offense-first players within that system. He feels safer with Rooney and Hayden, so he gives them more 5v5 time, and our record shows it.

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17 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Post-game probably...

Hynes: Tough building.

Media: You were at home.

Hynes: Yea, tough building. 

Hynes: "These guys had a tough start today. Took them a while to get their legs under them. We skated them hard during the break so it was understandable they weren't able to get their legs under them right away."

Good Media: "Maybe you shouldn't skate them so hard and focus on different parts of their game"

Devils' Media: "What is your favorite Halloween costume you've ever worn?"

Fans: "Are you sh!tting me?!"

Devils Media: "ArE yOu sh!tTiNg Me? God, some fans are so ungrateful and tone deaf. Go new Mets coach!"

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48 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Thought I was the only one, agree 100%, he's a convenient scapegoat. I know he's not great defensively, but you'd think teams are scoring everytime he's on the ice, given all the talk you see about him. But Hynes benches him in the 3rd to protect leads anyway, and we lose those leads anyway, so it's hard to not see this as a deficiency in the system, and a coach who doesn't know how to tailor things to get more out of a few offense-first players within that system. He feels safer with Rooney and Hayden, so he gives them more 5v5 time, and our record shows it.

You're absolutely right.  And of all the things that have been said and questioned about Hynes, this might be the most important one, and the most truthful too:  that he simply can't, or doesn't know how to leverage the assets he has and put them in situations to succeed.  This team has been starved for offensive talent for years, and the GM specifically brings in a guy from overseas who's a known and proven goal scorer, and by all accounts the guy has already started to show that he can do that here too, and instead of giving the guy more opportunities to continue to build upon that, the head coach instead looks to highlight his areas of weakness, rather than promote his strengths, and he benches him for a game so he can hopefully attain some kind of "come to Jesus" moment.  If I'm Shero, I'm pissed at Hynes and I see this as a potential case of mismanagement.  

If you had 100 bucks in the bank until next payday two weeks from now, then it's like, OK, we get it, you're poor, and it's hard to get out of poverty when you aren't making much money and don't have money to invest, etc.  But then one day you win the lottery (in our case, TWO lotteries), and now you have a bunch of money.  Smart people have the ability and know-how to utilize that good fortune and turn it into more good fortune.  Stupid people find a way, often times very quickly, to blow that money and then they're poor again, and once it's over, they come up with every excuse in the book as to why it didn't last and how it wasn't their fault that it's gone.  Hynes had a really bleak and bare roster for a while, but now has been gifted a talented squad in the form of two #1 overall picks, a former MVP, a foreign sniper from Russia, a proven veteran defenseman, a young upcoming netminder, etc etc, - I really hope we're not sitting here two or three years from now looking back on everything we had and having nothing to show for it, all because the guy in charge didn't know what to do with it.  

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Yeah exactly, and I just feel like you're not going to turn every player into a two-way dynamo like Nico is, or like Coleman (at a slightly lower level) are. Shero gave Hynes a few offense-first guys in Subban, Bratt, and Gusev. 

Figure it out.

Make it work.

Use their strengths. Don't try to dull the blade too much to try and make them a more well-rounded player. Don't waste another season trying to make offense-first players turn into two-way players, you don't need 4 lines of two-way players. We have a good balance of both types of players, but Hynes is trying to make them all do the same exact thing, which is why Wood-Rooney-Hayden is so near and dear to him, because it feels comfortable. But comfortable only gets you 0g-0a-0p, which is Rooney and Hayden's total right now, and that's with an average TOI of 12 minutes a game that he's given them so far.

He let our offense-first guys run wild at our home opener and look how they ran up the score. I think that was a peek into the true DNA of what this club is. We're not going to be good at defense, not with this roster, and that could be fine, if Hynes wasn't jamming some faux-responsibility hockey nonsense down our throats despite being extremely irresponsible with a whole bunch of leads that we've lost.

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2 hours ago, jagknife said:

Hynes: "These guys had a tough start today. Took them a while to get their legs under them. We skated them hard during the break so it was understandable they weren't able to get their legs under them right away."

Good Media: "Maybe you shouldn't skate them so hard and focus on different parts of their game"

Devils' Media: "What is your favorite Halloween costume you've ever worn?"

Fans: "Are you sh!tting me?!"

Devils Media: "ArE yOu sh!tTiNg Me? God, some fans are so ungrateful and tone deaf. Go new Mets coach!"

You forgot the part where the Devils media say "You think YOU can do a better job?!?!" and "I am being attacked by mean people!!"

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25 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Yeah exactly, and I just feel like you're not going to turn every player into a two-way dynamo like Nico is, or like Coleman (at a slightly lower level) are. Shero gave Hynes a few offense-first guys in Subban, Bratt, and Gusev. 

Figure it out.

Make it work.

Use their strengths. Don't try to dull the blade too much to try and make them a more well-rounded player. Don't waste another season trying to make offense-first players turn into two-way players, you don't need 4 lines of two-way players. We have a good balance of both types of players, but Hynes is trying to make them all do the same exact thing, which is why Wood-Rooney-Hayden is so near and dear to him, because it feels comfortable. But comfortable only gets you 0g-0a-0p, which is Rooney and Hayden's total right now, and that's with an average TOI of 12 minutes a game that he's given them so far.

He let our offense-first guys run wild at our home opener and look how they ran up the score. I think that was a peek into the true DNA of what this club is. We're not going to be good at defense, not with this roster, and that could be fine, if Hynes wasn't jamming some faux-responsibility hockey nonsense down our throats despite being extremely irresponsible with a whole bunch of leads that we've lost.

This is where Hynes' AHL-mentality gets the best of him.  He wants to teach every player how to play all aspects of the game (which is AHL-level coaching mentality) rather than winning (which is what NHL-coaches should be focused on).

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4 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

You forgot the part where the Devils media say "You think YOU can do a better job?!?!" and "I am being attacked by mean people!!"

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

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4 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

I like how you are shoehorning that part in when I didn't mention their gender in my post.

Congrats.  I hope we beat Tampa with tons of expected goals today per Natural Stat Trick.

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10 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

Imagine being proud of harassing the female reporters of the team on Twitter. Embarrassing and yet you celebrate yourself for it so consistently.

I don't follow her because of stuff like this.... 

 

People complaining about someone's on ice play is perfectly acceptable. Nobody is saying he's a horrible human being. These guys are professional athletes and people spend a lot of time and money on this team. We are allowed to complain on Twitter and here about how guys play.

 

I also don't think Chris Ryan is any good either with nonsense like this. We have reporters of this team who don't even ask any remotely hard questions. There's no accountability whatsoever. Hell I'd rather Chico Resch be a reporter because at least he wouldn't be trying to argue with people on Twitter instead of asking some serious questions about this team. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I don't follow her because of stuff like this.... 

 

People complaining about someone's on ice play is perfectly acceptable. Nobody is saying he's a horrible human being. These guys are professional athletes and people spend a lot of time and money on this team. We are allowed to complain on Twitter and here about how guys play.

Last season she openly complained on twitter about a live game going into overtime because it meant she had to stay longer.

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5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Last season she openly complained on twitter about a live game going into overtime because it meant she had to stay longer.

No fvcking way.  Are you serious?  To me that's an immediately fireable offense.  Even a fry cook at McDonalds wouldn't leave you hanging in the middle of the drive through with half your order just because the clock struck 6:00pm and his shift was over.  Talk about being ungrateful for an opportunity and having little appreciation of a job and a paycheck.  

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I miss the days of TG because every so often, especially during the rough patches, he would ask the tough questions to a coach or player. Even Gross did it for the little time he was here.

I had high expectations of Ryan, maybe too high based on the people he was replacing, but I'm disappointed that our reporters are all seemingly trying to keep the peace with the team and not ruffle feathers. I followed Abbey as soon as she was brought on and unfollowed shortly thereafter when it became apparent that other sports were more important, oh well sh!t happens. But you're reporting for a newspaper for the fans to read, not throw a positive spin or protect everyone on the team at all costs. I expect bias in political journalism, not hockey coverage when it should be perfectly acceptable to ask about a decision or a rough night on the ice, that's the freaking point of the job. Then, when fans get escalatingly (not a real word, don't care) more annoyed that these types of questions aren't being heard, to meet certain ones with the pure disdain and sarcasm only fuels the fire.

The only person I'll really give a pass to is Amanda because she is 100% an employee of the team and her job, for the most par,t is to produce content to draw positive attention to the team. I'm not expecting her to be the mouthpiece for the fan base, she's there to draw the casual fan into the happenings off the ice of the team and then build some drama during the games, and also write really neatly.

 

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13 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I don't follow her because of stuff like this.... 

 

People complaining about someone's on ice play is perfectly acceptable. Nobody is saying he's a horrible human being. These guys are professional athletes and people spend a lot of time and money on this team. We are allowed to complain on Twitter and here about how guys play.

 

I also don't think Chris Ryan is any good either with nonsense like this. We have reporters of this team who don't even ask any remotely hard questions. There's no accountability whatsoever. Hell I'd rather Chico Resch be a reporter because at least he wouldn't be trying to argue with people on Twitter instead of asking some serious questions about this team. 

 

She's not very good in terms of her Twitter and write ups. I think her locker room questions are fine, good even. In any case I'm not opposed to criticism of her. But clearly there are posters here relentlessly attacking her on Twitter - often unfairly from what I've seen personally - and that is quite pathetic. 

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13 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Last season she openly complained on twitter about a live game going into overtime because it meant she had to stay longer.

 

I miss Tom Gulitti, I think this current group is an absolute waste of time to even read so I don't bother with any of them at the moment. 

We don't have to be Montreal or Toronto where the media is absolutely over the top but we are going to miss the playoffs for the 6th time in 7 seasons with only 1 playoff win in a year we barely made the playoffs. The coaching staff has been given enough leeway and time and with every loss we are moving one step closer towards Hall leaving at the end of the year or being traded.

But there's no accountability here. Nobody asks any serious questions, which is their job to do. Nobody even seems to really care. It's quite sad to me. I don't care about past success. That stuff is almost a decade ago now. This fan base has ever right to be pissed off.

I don't want to read how "so and so is a nice guy please don't say he's not good at hockey because you're hurting his feelings." fvck outta here.

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1 minute ago, Neb00rs said:

She's not very good in terms of her Twitter and write ups. I think her locker room questions are fine, good even. In any case I'm not opposed to criticism of her. But clearly there are posters here relentlessly attacking her on Twitter - often unfairly from what I've seen personally - and that is quite pathetic. 

Which posters here are "relentlessly attacking" her on twitter?

Is it me?  All I did was question Abbey on why her first post in 40 minutes during a Devils game was about MLB baseball and I was blocked by her.

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

Which posters here are "relentlessly attacking" her on twitter?

Is it me?  All I did was question Abbey on why her first post in 40 minutes during a Devils game was about MLB baseball and I was blocked by her.

I also have never tweeted at her, I've read stuff other people have posted on twitter (specifically towards her), and to be fair, most of their stuff was benign, and her over the top responses were unnecessary.

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2 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

 

I miss Tom Gulitti, I think this current group is an absolute waste of time to even read so I don't bother with any of them at the moment. 

We don't have to be Montreal or Toronto where the media is absolutely over the top but we are going to miss the playoffs for the 6th time in 7 seasons with only 1 playoff win in a year we barely made the playoffs. The coaching staff has been given enough leeway and time and with every loss we are moving one step closer towards Hall leaving at the end of the year or being traded.

But there's no accountability here. Nobody asks any serious questions, which is their job to do. Nobody even seems to really care. It's quite sad to me. I don't care about past succes. That stuff is almost a decade ago now. This fan base has ever right to be pissed off.

I don't want to read how "so and so is a nice guy please don't say he's not good at hockey because you're hurting his feelings." fvck outta here.

Someone once described Abbey as a glorified news ticker and that's the perfect description of her.  No insight, no analysis, no tough questions, nothing.  Essentially, she thinks asking Hynes "what are your thoughts on the game tonight" after every game is a job well done.  Sorry, but might as well place an intern with a recorder in the locker room for a fraction of the price with that level of content.

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4 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

 

I miss Tom Gulitti, I think this current group is an absolute waste of time to even read so I don't bother with any of them at the moment. 

We don't have to be Montreal or Toronto where the media is absolutely over the top but we are going to miss the playoffs for the 6th time in 7 seasons with only 1 playoff win in a year we barely made the playoffs. The coaching staff has been given enough leeway and time and with every loss we are moving one step closer towards Hall leaving at the end of the year or being traded.

But there's no accountability here. Nobody asks any serious questions, which is their job to do. Nobody even seems to really care. It's quite sad to me. I don't care about past succes. That stuff is almost a decade ago now. This fan base has ever right to be pissed off.

I don't want to read how "so and so is a nice guy please don't say he's not good at hockey because you're hurting his feelings." fvck outta here.

Exactly, I don't think it would be unreasonable after another blown-lead loss for a reporter to ask:

"Coach, your team's blown their 6th multi-goal lead of the season, why do you think they can't seem to drop the hammer in the 3rd?"

"Coach, your fourth line is playing close to, if not equal, minutes to your top line in the third, why is that?"

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11 minutes ago, jagknife said:

I miss the days of TG because every so often, especially during the rough patches, he would ask the tough questions to a coach or player. Even Gross did it for the little time he was here.

I had high expectations of Ryan, maybe too high based on the people he was replacing, but I'm disappointed that our reporters are all seemingly trying to keep the peace with the team and not ruffle feathers. I followed Abbey as soon as she was brought on and unfollowed shortly thereafter when it became apparent that other sports were more important, oh well sh!t happens. But you're reporting for a newspaper for the fans to read, not throw a positive spin or protect everyone on the team at all costs. I expect bias in political journalism, not hockey coverage when it should be perfectly acceptable to ask about a decision or a rough night on the ice, that's the freaking point of the job. Then, when fans get escalatingly (not a real word, don't care) more annoyed that these types of questions aren't being heard, to meet certain ones with the pure disdain and sarcasm only fuels the fire.

The only person I'll really give a pass to is Amanda because she is 100% an employee of the team and her job, for the most par,t is to produce content to draw positive attention to the team. I'm not expecting her to be the mouthpiece for the fan base, she's there to draw the casual fan into the happenings off the ice of the team and then build some drama during the games, and also write really neatly.

 

Absolutely agree with everything. I know she gets some flack but I think Amanda does a great job for what she does, which is basically PR for the team and like you said works directly for them so I don't expect her to ask anything serious. 

Hell even Bryce Salvador openly complains and critiques players more on the TV broadcast and takes everything more seriously than our beat reporters. 

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1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said:

Someone once described Abbey as a glorified news ticker and that's the perfect description of her.  No insight, no analysis, no tough questions, nothing.  Essentially, she thinks asking Hynes "what are your thoughts on the game tonight" after every game is a job well done.  Sorry, but might as well place an intern with a recorder in the locker room for a fraction of the price with that level of content.

What ever happened to Dan Rice and Chris Wassel (sp?), I know both of them were credentialed but independent writers, but I feel like I don't even see their stuff come across twitter at any rate anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

Absolutely agree with everything. I knlw she gets some flack but I think Amanda does a great job but she's basically PR for the team and like you said works directly for them so I don't expect her to ask anything serious. 

Hell even Bryce Salvador openly complains and critiques players more on the TV broadcast and takes everything more seriously than our beat reporters. 

One of the most underrated acquisitions and additions to Devils coverage, hands down. I absolutely love having Bryce do the Devils' stuff and most everyone knows I wish he'd do the PBP just because of how well he works to explain the game and criticizes when necessary. I also find his voice to be easier on the ears and more likeable as an overall person (last part is 100% my take).

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Just now, jagknife said:

What ever happened to Dan Rice and Chris Wassel (sp?), I know both of them were credentialed but independent writers, but I feel like I don't even see their stuff come across twitter at any rate anymore.

I never particularly cared for Dan either.  He often seemed like he wanted to be liked more than anything else.  Frankly, I haven't seen much of his stuff lately too even though I do follow them.

Chris I never really followed.

Corey from the Athletic is my favorite followed my Morreale.

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In the imaginary world if this team had 0 coaches and players themselves ran the lineup and game plan decisions they would put together better lineup and better game plan, like “hey Goose you’re pretty offensive minded guy let’s get you in with Trav and Boqvist” type of lineup

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30 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

Absolutely agree with everything. I know she gets some flack but I think Amanda does a great job for what she does, which is basically PR for the team and like you said works directly for them so I don't expect her to ask anything serious. 

Hell even Bryce Salvador openly complains and critiques players more on the TV broadcast and takes everything more seriously than our beat reporters. 

At least part of this is because the beat writer types prob feel like they can't be entirely honest because they are "friends" with the players and don't want to burn bridges by being too honest.

Say what you will about Brooks, cause he is a sh!t, but he has always kept it real(as he saw it). Even with Tortz.

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