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6 hours ago, CarterforPresident said:

Not saying he's our best player, he isn't, but he isn't close to the list of problems we have. We have probably 99 problems and he ain't one

Numbers don’t lie and the data your brought proves it, much to my dismay lol

what is a problem is our coach calling that effort last night “about even even though the score doesn’t show it.” They were dominated in nearly every aspect of the ice. Anyone have the advanced stats to prove the eye test? Either way, I want Hynes gone. He has no clue.

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This team has been shut out THREE times in 15 games.

And offense was supposed to be this teams strength?

That in itself is freaking PATHETIC.

I have flushed things down the toilet that have been more useful than this pathetic hockey team.

They need to shake things up. Either a big trade or firing Hynes. Maybe both.

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21 hours ago, Daniel said:

The tanking  Dolphins play with more inspiration than this team.  

The season is over thanks to Shero’s stubborn attachment to this abortion of a coaching staff.  Fire Hynes or don’t.  Who cares, we’re the laughing stock of the league.

Shero will stick with Hynes until the bitter end. His stupid Pittsburgh loyalty at play here. 

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I was away for a week but I caught yesterday's game. It was nice to see a win, and Blackwood played especially inspired. However, the defense and offense are equally frustrating. I was like a lot of fans who thought that the offseason moves would help possession, play driving and ultimately scoring. If you go even further back (read: years ago) I am guilty of saying that statistics, including advanced stats, were not necessarily a substitute for watching a hockey play in the game and seeing what they bring to the team. That's due to a decade of coaching. With that being said, having the puck is the simplest and most important part of the game, even for children. The Devils do not have the puck enough - only 6 players on the team have positive corsi%'s and that's not going to cut it in the long run. 

Of course, the goaltending could be better and even small injuries on the blueline mean Tennyson and Mueller are on the ice, but the F's (even with all the added talent) are not immune from the blame.

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10 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

I was away for a week but I caught yesterday's game. It was nice to see a win, and Blackwood played especially inspired. However, the defense and offense are equally frustrating. I was like a lot of fans who thought that the offseason moves would help possession, play driving and ultimately scoring. If you go even further back (read: years ago) I am guilty of saying that statistics, including advanced stats, were not necessarily a substitute for watching a hockey play in the game and seeing what they bring to the team. That's due to a decade of coaching. With that being said, having the puck is the simplest and most important part of the game, even for children. The Devils do not have the puck enough - only 6 players on the team have positive corsi%'s and that's not going to cut it in the long run. 

Of course, the goaltending could be better and even small injuries on the blueline mean Tennyson and Mueller are on the ice, but the F's (even with all the added talent) are not immune from the blame.

The two biggest issues in terms of play driving have been pretty straightforward -

1:  Gusev has been a disaster.  He tanks any line he's on - he was just not capable of making the right play in the defensive or neutral zone.  And he's played with just about everyone at one point or another, so he's tanked all of their numbers for at least a brief period.  The good news is that he's shown signs of improvement the last two games.

2:  Taylor Hall was not himself.  Hall is normally a high-event player who generates lots of shots for and against, but definitely more for.  Even with yesterday's dominant performance, the Devils are only getting 28 shots/60 with him on the ice 5 on 5 - he's averaged around 33 as a Devil.  

These things are showing signs of working themselves out.  

 

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3 hours ago, Triumph said:

2:  Taylor Hall was not himself.  Hall is normally a high-event player who generates lots of shots for and against, but definitely more for.  Even with yesterday's dominant performance, the Devils are only getting 28 shots/60 with him on the ice 5 on 5 - he's averaged around 33 as a Devil.

He had an assist, a play called back that many think was a goal, and he was one shy of his career high for shots on goal in a game. 

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Sad that here most folks think there's so much talent here,  that there's no excuse.  I think, this team is far from ready yet.  Wow, we got #86, we got the Goose, Boquist is next (Peter Forsberg) & PK, start the parade floats.  Get a grip, Joel Quenville couldn't take this group & make them powerful? 

Any suggestions who would be a good replacement for Hynes?

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49 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

Sad that here most folks think there's so much talent here,  that there's no excuse.  I think, this team is far from ready yet.  Wow, we got #86, we got the Goose, Boquist is next (Peter Forsberg) & PK, start the parade floats.  Get a grip, Joel Quenville couldn't take this group & make them powerful? 

Any suggestions who would be a good replacement for Hynes?

This group isn't extremely good, but they shouldn't be this bad.

They've blown MULTIPLE multi-goal leads late, which is unacceptable regardless of the « talent level ». This team shouldn't be blowing 2-3-4 goal leads, and we'd be in a hell of a better position if they didn't do that to start the year. That's just one reason why people are upset with the team.

As I said, this lineup is not perfect, and I'm not expecting incredible things from them, but they should definitely be in a better spot. The guys aren't playing their best hockey AT ALL since the start of the season.

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8 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

He had an assist, a play called back that many think was a goal, and he was one shy of his career high for shots on goal in a game. 

Gotta try reading the whole post - I praised Hall's performance in Sunday's game.  I said even with that, and his line was really the only one doing much offensively, his line is still getting 5 fewer shots per 60 minutes than he did in his Devils career.

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On 11/7/2019 at 12:42 PM, jagknife said:

I find Hynes has two big flaws:

1.) Blind freaking loyalty to a system. Be it loyalty to a guy who clearly cannot manage a defensive strategy in Nasraddine, to his own failure to adapt to the game at hand, Hynes is too loyal (maybe wrong word) and seems to not change his thinking well, if at all.

2.) His asset management is suspect. His lineup decisions sometimes pay way off, such as recently or during the heater early-mid season two years ago when we made the playoffs but others are terrible. It flows from my previous point but he doesn't handle matchups well at all and his "lets throw the lines in a blender" crap when things are going well is very frustrating to me.

This is one of those posts where I read it and I get very confused.  Hynes has changed things so many times here.

In 2015-16, he ran a very boring system, quite conservative.  The Devils were last in the league by far in shot attempts but were reasonably stingy.  In 2016-17, they get Taylor Hall and some other offensive players, and he opens things up a bit.  The Devils start out hot, then they go on that 10 game losing streak.  He changes things back to the 2015-16 system.  Next season, he opens things up again, things stay reasonably open.  Last season, when the Devils got all those injuries, the Devils went back to the 2015-16 style of play for the forwards.

They've tried different tactics in the defensive zone - they switched to the idea of the D taking the puck carrier, almost regardless of where that guy went - that is gone.  They tried that last season and it didn't work and it's not here anymore.

I'm also waiting for the coach who gets praised when his team loses.  'Well, they lost, but the coach made the right moves.'

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9 hours ago, Triumph said:

This is one of those posts where I read it and I get very confused.  Hynes has changed things so many times here.

In 2015-16, he ran a very boring system, quite conservative.  The Devils were last in the league by far in shot attempts but were reasonably stingy.  In 2016-17, they get Taylor Hall and some other offensive players, and he opens things up a bit.  The Devils start out hot, then they go on that 10 game losing streak.  He changes things back to the 2015-16 system.  Next season, he opens things up again, things stay reasonably open.  Last season, when the Devils got all those injuries, the Devils went back to the 2015-16 style of play for the forwards.

They've tried different tactics in the defensive zone - they switched to the idea of the D taking the puck carrier, almost regardless of where that guy went - that is gone.  They tried that last season and it didn't work and it's not here anymore.

I'm also waiting for the coach who gets praised when his team loses.  'Well, they lost, but the coach made the right moves.'

In game a management and adjustments, not season to season. We’ll watch the same zone entry over and over again. Same passive defensive system where teams cycle the puck all over us as if it’s a power play, etc. It’ll happen the same way for 60 minutes with barely a “hey let’s try something different.” The adjustments Hynes makes is screwing with the lines, regardless of success or failures.

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I feel the Devils will come in under .500 but not to the degree that is eye opening,  and Hynes' job will be safe yet again. And so will Nasreddine's by default. I feel like Ray really doesnt want to fire Hynes due to their Pens connection, and will only do so if his hand is forced by ownership. 

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3 minutes ago, slasher72 said:

I feel like Ray really doesnt want to fire Hynes due to their Pens connection, and will only do so if his hand is forced by ownership. 

Which would mean he learned absolutely nothing from his time in Pittsburgh, because his downfall there was that he waited waaaay too long to fire Bylsma. 

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24 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Which would mean he learned absolutely nothing from his time in Pittsburgh, because his downfall there was that he waited waaaay too long to fire Bylsma. 

They won two Cups in short order after that firing, so its pretty clear you’re right. 

If firing Hynes in 2019 meant we win the Cup in 2021 and 2022, I’d be ok with that. 

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1 hour ago, slasher72 said:

I feel the Devils will come in under .500 but not to the degree that is eye opening,  and Hynes' job will be safe yet again. And so will Nasreddine's by default. I feel like Ray really doesnt want to fire Hynes due to their Pens connection, and will only do so if his hand is forced by ownership. 

I don't think Ray will fire Hynes, he'll go himself.(resigning or getting fired) If Hynes is part of long term strategy, he can't change that. 

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