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5 minutes ago, NQDevil said:

Seems to have turned it around a bit? What's he done? Devils have looked mostly good of late, maybe it just took only average goaltending to rescue the team.

Special mention to Miles Wood too, who's started to bring some of those unique qualities back to the game.

So if you listen to certain players, a lot say road trips bring the team closer together since they're around one another a lot more compared to being at home when everyone is with their families and doing their own thing. This could very well be the case with this team where a road trip could finally bring them together.

That being said, I'm not willing to turn down the heat on any of our coaches just yet, we had a 4 game winning streak to open last year and we faded away very fast. I'm hopeful as any fan would be that this is going to become the norm, but I'm very very cautious to say we're out of the woods with this squad.

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So if you listen to certain players, a lot say road trips bring the team closer together since they're around one another a lot more compared to being at home when everyone is with their families and doing their own thing. This could very well be the case with this team where a road trip could finally bring them together.
That being said, I'm not willing to turn down the heat on any of our coaches just yet, we had a 4 game winning streak to open last year and we faded away very fast. I'm hopeful as any fan would be that this is going to become the norm, but I'm very very cautious to say we're out of the woods with this squad.
Ah that's interesting.

One of the things that struck me when I read some Athletic season preview stuff was how much the other NHL coaches rate Hynes. It'd be a shame to never see what he can do with a really talented roster, hope they keep this run together.

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1 minute ago, NQDevil said:

Ah that's interesting.

One of the things that struck me when I read some Athletic season preview stuff was how much the other NHL coaches rate Hynes. It'd be a shame to never see what he can do with a really talented roster, hope they keep this run together.

I find Hynes has two big flaws:

1.) Blind freaking loyalty to a system. Be it loyalty to a guy who clearly cannot manage a defensive strategy in Nasraddine, to his own failure to adapt to the game at hand, Hynes is too loyal (maybe wrong word) and seems to not change his thinking well, if at all.

2.) His asset management is suspect. His lineup decisions sometimes pay way off, such as recently or during the heater early-mid season two years ago when we made the playoffs but others are terrible. It flows from my previous point but he doesn't handle matchups well at all and his "lets throw the lines in a blender" crap when things are going well is very frustrating to me.

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11 minutes ago, jagknife said:

I find Hynes has two big flaws:

1.) Blind freaking loyalty to a system. Be it loyalty to a guy who clearly cannot manage a defensive strategy in Nasraddine, to his own failure to adapt to the game at hand, Hynes is too loyal (maybe wrong word) and seems to not change his thinking well, if at all.

2.) His asset management is suspect. His lineup decisions sometimes pay way off, such as recently or during the heater early-mid season two years ago when we made the playoffs but others are terrible. It flows from my previous point but he doesn't handle matchups well at all and his "lets throw the lines in a blender" crap when things are going well is very frustrating to me.

He holds guys like Rooney with "compete" way too high. When Bratt comes back Rooney better find his way out of the lineup and shuffle things accordingly.

Something like this? I am not good at this sort of thing. Goose gets sheltered and Coleman's offense is a bit wasted on that line but it still carries the "energy" Hynes wants but with more skill and responsible players. AKA Not Rooney.

Hall/Hughes/Palms

Zacha/Nico/Bratt

Goose/Zajac/Boqvist

Wood/Coleman/Simmonds

 

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1 hour ago, NQDevil said:

Seems to have turned it around a bit? What's he done? Devils have looked mostly good of late, maybe it just took only average goaltending to rescue the team.

Special mention to Miles Wood too, who's started to bring some of those unique qualities back to the game.

Found the Hynes burner account.

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Found the Hynes burner account.
Yeah when it starts going really well I'm going to swap all the letters around for the wrong ones so it becomes totally unintelligible.
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12 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

He holds guys like Rooney with "compete" way too high. When Bratt comes back Rooney better find his way out of the lineup and shuffle things accordingly.

Something like this? I am not good at this sort of thing. Goose gets sheltered and Coleman's offense is a bit wasted on that line but it still carries the "energy" Hynes wants but with more skill and responsible players. AKA Not Rooney.

Hall/Hughes/Palms

Zacha/Nico/Bratt

Goose/Zajac/Boqvist

Wood/Coleman/Simmonds

 

I like those lines.

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I don’t think there is a chance Zajac and goose would click.

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On 11/7/2019 at 12:58 PM, NJDevils1214 said:

He holds guys like Rooney with "compete" way too high. When Bratt comes back Rooney better find his way out of the lineup and shuffle things accordingly.

Something like this? I am not good at this sort of thing. Goose gets sheltered and Coleman's offense is a bit wasted on that line but it still carries the "energy" Hynes wants but with more skill and responsible players. AKA Not Rooney.

Hall/Hughes/Palms

Zacha/Nico/Bratt

Goose/Zajac/Boqvist

Wood/Coleman/Simmonds

 

you do realize Rooney is the only player in the league with over 100 minutes logged and hasn't given up a goal. Yeah he doesn't score but he's doing something else better than pretty much anyone else on the team

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True about Rooney - the only player with at least 100 minutes of TOI (usually that's about 9/10 games for a 4th line player) and not a single goal against at 5v5. 4th line players aren't on the ice enough to allow many goals - but it's been a good run nonetheless, and he stands alone with zero against. Rooney isn't the best 4th line player we've ever seen, but he's a solid one - and has enough speed to make things look okay next to Miles Wood.

The one criticism could be that Wood-Rooney-Hayden, as a trio, hasn't generated enough offensive chances relative to their opponents (a difficult criticism of a fourth line to be fair) but Wood-Rooney-Simmonds, with a small sample size of 22:16 TOI at 5v5 has a CF% of 56.82 or 25-19 shots attempts for vs. against. That combination seems to be a good fourth line- though, Simmonds isn't necessarily a fourth liner.

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Can we get someone in here who can establish a Dzone coverage? Good grief. 
 

A forecheck would be nice too but let’s take baby steps

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4 hours ago, CarterforPresident said:

you do realize Rooney is the only player in the league with over 100 minutes logged and hasn't given up a goal. Yeah he doesn't score but he's doing something else better than pretty much anyone else on the team

You're one of the guys from Devils Insiders, aren't you? or you just follow them?

Either way, I had no clue. I withdraw some of my Rooney bitching.

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The tanking  Dolphins play with more inspiration than this team.  

The season is over thanks to Shero’s stubborn attachment to this abortion of a coaching staff.  Fire Hynes or don’t.  Who cares, we’re the laughing stock of the league.

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Yeah, it's time to bring down the axe. It'd be one thing if it was just bad goaltending and we had a bunch of those 7-6 games. But we're terrible at scoring and generating offense - that's really not excusable. The not "gelling" thing was cute a few weeks ago - now, with little improvement to be seen, there's not any real way to defend Hynes. Losing the third period shot attempts battle tonight when you desperately need goals - just no good.

The thing is, when the guy is putting out lines like Zacha-Hughes-Gusev and Boqvist-Hughes-Bratt, it's almost like he's been told his job isn't under threat.

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3 hours ago, jagknife said:

You're one of the guys from Devils Insiders, aren't you? or you just follow them?

Either way, I had no clue. I withdraw some of my Rooney bitching.

Not saying he's our best player, he isn't, but he isn't close to the list of problems we have. We have probably 99 problems and he ain't one

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6 hours ago, CarterforPresident said:

Not saying he's our best player, he isn't, but he isn't close to the list of problems we have. We have probably 99 problems and he ain't one

Numbers don’t lie and the data your brought proves it, much to my dismay lol

what is a problem is our coach calling that effort last night “about even even though the score doesn’t show it.” They were dominated in nearly every aspect of the ice. Anyone have the advanced stats to prove the eye test? Either way, I want Hynes gone. He has no clue.

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This team has been shut out THREE times in 15 games.

And offense was supposed to be this teams strength?

That in itself is freaking PATHETIC.

I have flushed things down the toilet that have been more useful than this pathetic hockey team.

They need to shake things up. Either a big trade or firing Hynes. Maybe both.

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21 hours ago, Daniel said:

The tanking  Dolphins play with more inspiration than this team.  

The season is over thanks to Shero’s stubborn attachment to this abortion of a coaching staff.  Fire Hynes or don’t.  Who cares, we’re the laughing stock of the league.

Shero will stick with Hynes until the bitter end. His stupid Pittsburgh loyalty at play here. 

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I was away for a week but I caught yesterday's game. It was nice to see a win, and Blackwood played especially inspired. However, the defense and offense are equally frustrating. I was like a lot of fans who thought that the offseason moves would help possession, play driving and ultimately scoring. If you go even further back (read: years ago) I am guilty of saying that statistics, including advanced stats, were not necessarily a substitute for watching a hockey play in the game and seeing what they bring to the team. That's due to a decade of coaching. With that being said, having the puck is the simplest and most important part of the game, even for children. The Devils do not have the puck enough - only 6 players on the team have positive corsi%'s and that's not going to cut it in the long run. 

Of course, the goaltending could be better and even small injuries on the blueline mean Tennyson and Mueller are on the ice, but the F's (even with all the added talent) are not immune from the blame.

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10 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

I was away for a week but I caught yesterday's game. It was nice to see a win, and Blackwood played especially inspired. However, the defense and offense are equally frustrating. I was like a lot of fans who thought that the offseason moves would help possession, play driving and ultimately scoring. If you go even further back (read: years ago) I am guilty of saying that statistics, including advanced stats, were not necessarily a substitute for watching a hockey play in the game and seeing what they bring to the team. That's due to a decade of coaching. With that being said, having the puck is the simplest and most important part of the game, even for children. The Devils do not have the puck enough - only 6 players on the team have positive corsi%'s and that's not going to cut it in the long run. 

Of course, the goaltending could be better and even small injuries on the blueline mean Tennyson and Mueller are on the ice, but the F's (even with all the added talent) are not immune from the blame.

The two biggest issues in terms of play driving have been pretty straightforward -

1:  Gusev has been a disaster.  He tanks any line he's on - he was just not capable of making the right play in the defensive or neutral zone.  And he's played with just about everyone at one point or another, so he's tanked all of their numbers for at least a brief period.  The good news is that he's shown signs of improvement the last two games.

2:  Taylor Hall was not himself.  Hall is normally a high-event player who generates lots of shots for and against, but definitely more for.  Even with yesterday's dominant performance, the Devils are only getting 28 shots/60 with him on the ice 5 on 5 - he's averaged around 33 as a Devil.  

These things are showing signs of working themselves out.  

 

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3 hours ago, Triumph said:

2:  Taylor Hall was not himself.  Hall is normally a high-event player who generates lots of shots for and against, but definitely more for.  Even with yesterday's dominant performance, the Devils are only getting 28 shots/60 with him on the ice 5 on 5 - he's averaged around 33 as a Devil.

He had an assist, a play called back that many think was a goal, and he was one shy of his career high for shots on goal in a game. 

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Sad that here most folks think there's so much talent here,  that there's no excuse.  I think, this team is far from ready yet.  Wow, we got #86, we got the Goose, Boquist is next (Peter Forsberg) & PK, start the parade floats.  Get a grip, Joel Quenville couldn't take this group & make them powerful? 

Any suggestions who would be a good replacement for Hynes?

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49 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

Sad that here most folks think there's so much talent here,  that there's no excuse.  I think, this team is far from ready yet.  Wow, we got #86, we got the Goose, Boquist is next (Peter Forsberg) & PK, start the parade floats.  Get a grip, Joel Quenville couldn't take this group & make them powerful? 

Any suggestions who would be a good replacement for Hynes?

This group isn't extremely good, but they shouldn't be this bad.

They've blown MULTIPLE multi-goal leads late, which is unacceptable regardless of the « talent level ». This team shouldn't be blowing 2-3-4 goal leads, and we'd be in a hell of a better position if they didn't do that to start the year. That's just one reason why people are upset with the team.

As I said, this lineup is not perfect, and I'm not expecting incredible things from them, but they should definitely be in a better spot. The guys aren't playing their best hockey AT ALL since the start of the season.

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8 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

He had an assist, a play called back that many think was a goal, and he was one shy of his career high for shots on goal in a game. 

Gotta try reading the whole post - I praised Hall's performance in Sunday's game.  I said even with that, and his line was really the only one doing much offensively, his line is still getting 5 fewer shots per 60 minutes than he did in his Devils career.

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