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2 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of Hall apologizing for his comments.  If anything, I'd respect him more for doubling down and insisting that we not boo and have their back at all times, regardless of play.

Also, I don't think you can send Cory down to the AHL, right?  Without a two way contract, he's stuck up here - I think the only reason he was there last year was because he was hurt and we were able to ship him there as a conditioning stint before he was eventually brought back up, right?  I never know these things, so someone else can correct me if I'm wrong. 

If he doubles down---oh boyyyyyyyyyyy

You can send him to the minors, you'll just have to pay him. You can send anyone to the minors, just have to go through waivers.

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ya know the more I think about it the less I think an NJDevs meetup would be fun.

I'm thankful that I live in Florida where zero people give a flying fart about the sport and the team that I love so dearly, and I have a weird little online family I've known since I was a high schoo

I'm thankful that regardless of the results, and no matter how frustrating those results can be and often have been in recent years, that I have my daughter with me most of the time.  When she was bor

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1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

As if all these high picks and building a culture of losing have really helped us.

Fair - and I agree that teaching our kids how to win is important.

That's what this season was SUPPOSED to be - I expected us to be fighting for a Wildcard spot all season.

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39 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Cory...I just...can't anymore.  He's truly become the Devils' Sad Sack.  I just can't be patient with him anymore.  I can't wait until February or March of 2020 for him to get going, and then think "Well if he can just build off that and start off strong next season..."  I won't minimize his earlier body of work here...I still remember when he had nothing in front of him but was still finding a way to produce...his first three seasons here were really quite good.  He's put up an .885 save% in his last 43 NHL regular season games...yes, he had that groin issue that required surgery and he did have that good stretch to close out last season, but it just seems like he's never going to put together a consistent season here now that he's approaching his mid-30s.  I'm sure he's a good guy, but I can't keep watching postgame conferences with him saying that he knows he needs to be better.  He's just killing his team too often. 

Great post all around - going to grab this snippet to respond to:

I agree that we have to at least acknowledge that Cory was a brick wall behind some terrible teams for a couple years.  In fact, he was probably single handedly keeping us out of a lotto spot with his play early on.  I hesitate to even mention him here because I don't want this to devolve into another bashing thread but that Horvat-for-Cory trade is looking like another disaster for Lou with all things considered.  Horvat would be a fan-favorite here.. without a doubt.

I digress - I don't know if Cory is physically done but mentally this guy is no longer an NHL player.  He's about as mentally soft as I've ever seen - you just know that going into a game he'll find a way to lose.  Five shots last night in the 3rd period - FIVE.  And he allows three goals.  

If we stick with him through the rest of the season, I fully expect him to look average to above-average in February-March when the games do not matter.

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4 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

If he doubles down---oh boyyyyyyyyyyy

You can send him to the minors, you'll just have to pay him. You can send anyone to the minors, just have to go through waivers.

you can send anyone to the minors that doesn't have a NMC. Cory has NTC, but not no-move. i think he's got another month before they go that route though.

cory has been done for a while. last year's slight dead cat bounce gave a little hope but he has no reaction speed anymore. you've got goals going high on him all the time and he just can't get to them. he's down in butterfly way too early and he just gets destroyed top shelf.

this morning - its the hall comments that stick out the worst from last night. i'm almost numb to the blown leads. but jesus taylor - just say that its just as frustrating and you know that the fans were really pumped for the season just as all you guys were and its started out the worst possible way. i don't want to knee jerk it, but those comments, as far as i'm concerned, ended taylor hall's time in NJ. whether its in a month, or at the deadline, he's a dead man walking for this team.

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33 minutes ago, CommonDreads said:

Even after sleeping on it, last night just feels like the biggest gut punch I've ever taken as a fan. Just how does this team keep doing this to us? What did we do to deserve THIS?

I legitimately feel like I'm in a funk right now because of this team, they better fvcking win on Friday.

This team is going to put me in therapy lol

Maybe we can get a group-rate discount if a bunch of us all go to a group session :lol: 

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19 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said:

Cory is not an NHL goalie anymore. Hasn't really been one in a couple of years. Why can't management see what is so obvious? 

An important question in my mind - why does Shero let Hughes live with Cory, of all people?  

Why stick your budding NHL star rookie with a washed up player?  Like.. fvcks sake it's just going to be awkward af now if they do end up waiving or trading him or something.

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Just now, Devilsfan118 said:

Great post all around - going to grab this snippet to respond to:

I agree that we have to at least acknowledge that Cory was a brick wall behind some terrible teams for a couple years.  In fact, he was probably single handedly keeping us out of a lotto spot with his play early on.  I hesitate to even mention him here because I don't want this to devolve into another bashing thread but that Horvat-for-Cory trade is looking like another disaster for Lou with all things considered.  Horvat would be a fan-favorite here.. without a doubt.

I digress - I don't know if Cory is physically done but mentally this guy is no longer an NHL player.  He's about as mentally soft as I've ever seen - you just know that going into a game he'll find a way to lose.  Five shots last night in the 3rd period - FIVE.  And he allows three goals.  

If we stick with him through the rest of the season, I fully expect him to look average to above-average in February-March when the games do not matter.

if the devils kept that pick, they were not picking horvat. they were most likely going to lazar or nachuskin if i remember the chatter at the time.

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7 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

You wouldn't be hurting the people who made the movie though, you would be hurting the person making minimum wage who now has to clean it up so yeah that's a pretty sh*tty(lol) analogy. 

I personally don't boo the team, and didn't do it last night.  However, they ABSOLUTELY deserved to be boo'd last night, after the cumulative blown leads and BS play that the fans have witnessed at home this season.  It's ridiculous.  Score 5 and are up by 2 with 12 minutes left in the game and need a goal with 7 seconds left in regulation just to salvage a point.  There is no excuse for it, regardless of who the opponent is.  I try to stay optimistic, especially early in the season, but between Cory whiffing on glove saves that my 8 year old son could make and Hall making blind passes at the offensive blueline that results in a turnover, odd man rush, and a goal against which would get a pee wee benched, its impossible to think that this season isn't an utter disaster at his point.  The fact is that Hall, PK, Cory, and the other top players on this team are generally underachieving and this team is not good enough to overcome it.  

I'm just frustrated and have had enough of watching the same thing happen over and over again.  Something needs to change.   

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10 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

And I just got suspended from HF lol some guy called me a fair weather fan because I want to sell some of my tickets.... That I've had for over 2 decades..... Because being a "real fan" means you must come back and eat garbage every single game, especially when one of the "leaders" on this team is talking about the fans booing this trash team instead of looking into the mirror. People are booing because this trash team has 2 wins and can't hold a lead if their lives depended on it. We are supposed to sit there like good little fans and go RAH RAH RAH IT'S OK TAYLOR AT LEAST YOU TRIED REAL HARD BUDDY. fvck outta here. 

I'm only selling if I can get my money back with which this team won't be many anyway lmfao

I'm not unrealistic. I don't expect to make the playoffs every year but this is going to be the 7th season in the past 8 years of no playoffs with the one year being us barely making it and only winning 1 game. That's almost a decade! 

But sure I'm the fair weather fan lols I'm still renewing but that's because I'm a sucker for supporting this team instead of going to the stubhub plan like the majority of the damn building.

And if that same douche bag poster from HF posts here and because HF kept deleting my posts, go fvck yourself. 

lol that board is weird.  They have an entire on-going thread dedicated to them literally whining about every single price and decision made by the Devils ticket office but you mention you want to get back some of your hard earned money to not see a team that insults it's fans and suddenly you are Judas lol.

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6 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

you can send anyone to the minors that doesn't have a NMC. Cory has NTC, but not no-move. i think he's got another month before they go that route though.

cory has been done for a while. last year's slight dead cat bounce gave a little hope but he has no reaction speed anymore. you've got goals going high on him all the time and he just can't get to them. he's down in butterfly way too early and he just gets destroyed top shelf.

this morning - its the hall comments that stick out the worst from last night. i'm almost numb to the blown leads. but jesus taylor - just say that its just as frustrating and you know that the fans were really pumped for the season just as all you guys were and its started out the worst possible way. i don't want to knee jerk it, but those comments, as far as i'm concerned, ended taylor hall's time in NJ. whether its in a month, or at the deadline, he's a dead man walking for this team.

I don't disagree on the Hall point - I wonder if we'd get more now or more in February. We've been terrible with him, we can be terrible without him. 

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24 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of Hall apologizing for his comments.  If anything, I'd respect him more for doubling down and insisting that we not boo and have their back at all times, regardless of play.

Also, I don't think you can send Cory down to the AHL, right?  Without a two way contract, he's stuck up here - I think the only reason he was there last year was because he was hurt and we were able to ship him there as a conditioning stint before he was eventually brought back up, right?  I never know these things, so someone else can correct me if I'm wrong. 

To the bolded: Hoooooooooooh boy, if the first words out of his mouth aren't an apology to the fans he's going to get booed out of the building on Friday.  If he doubles down it's going to get very uncomfortable around here.

To your second point - I could be wrong, but I think a one-way contract simply means he'll have to completely clear waives on his way down to the AHL.  And, my God if someone wants to claim him by all means go ahead.

9 minutes ago, sundstrom said:

if the devils kept that pick, they were not picking horvat. they were most likely going to lazar or nachuskin if i remember the chatter at the time.

Oof in that case.. yikes.

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I heard the devils are going trick or treating tonight.  Get this, they’re going as hockey players.  Is that the craziest sh!t you’ve ever heard or what?  Who the fvck in anyone’s crazy mind would believe they’re hockey players?  Hope they all get candy corn and a stick of gum, ya know, all the sh!t that no trick or treater ever wants.

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8 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

To the bolded: Hoooooooooooh boy, if the first words out of his mouth aren't an apology to the fans he's going to get booed out of the building on Friday.  If he doubles down it's going to get very uncomfortable around here.

To your second point - I could be wrong, but I think a one-way contract simply means he'll have to completely clear waives on his way down to the AHL.  And, my God if someone wants to claim him by all means go ahead.

Oof in that case.. yikes.

this is incorrect and mistake often made. one-way vs two-way simply has to do with how you're paid. if it's a one way contract, you get your NHL salary whether you are in the NHL or AHL. A two-way has a pay for NHL and a pay for AHL (much lower).

waivers has to do with age and service time.

1 minute ago, ajsgolf said:

I heard the devils are going trick or treating tonight.  Get this, they’re going as hockey players.  Is that the craziest sh!t you’ve ever heard or what?  Who the fvck in anyone’s crazy mind would believe they’re hockey players?  Hope they all get candy corn and a stick of gum, ya know, all the sh!t that no trick or treater ever wants.

i'm still taking my kids to the players that live in town and won't egg their houses so we'll see what kind of mood they're in.

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1 minute ago, sundstrom said:

this is incorrect and mistake often made. one-way vs two-way simply has to do with how you're paid. if it's a one way contract, you get your NHL salary whether you are in the NHL or AHL. A two-way has a pay for NHL and a pay for AHL (much lower).

waivers has to do with age and service time.

Ah okay - thanks for the correction.

I blame EA NHL ;) 

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Schneider didn't look done at the end of last season.  And buying him out would've stuck a lot of money on the Devils' cap for 6 years.  So I get that decision, and he still might recover, but they can't have stretches like this.  Granted I don't even think Cory was that bad last night - lot of tipped pucks that ended up top corner - but he just hasn't been good this season yet, at all.

Devils goalies have an even strength save percentage of .813 when the Devils have a lead.

And that's the problem with discussing this season.  The Devils skaters have had sh!tty games to start the year.  They've been bad against Philadelphia and Boston and Buffalo.  That Florida game sucked as well - the Devils came out with nothing in the 3rd period.  That cannot happen.  Last night was probably the first game where I thought 'Oh, right, this team has talent and is good and can put pressure on good teams and make them make mistakes'.   But the goaltending lets them down.

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5 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Schneider didn't look done at the end of last season.  And buying him out would've stuck a lot of money on the Devils' cap for 6 years.  So I get that decision, and he still might recover, but they can't have stretches like this.  Granted I don't even think Cory was that bad last night - lot of tipped pucks that ended up top corner - but he just hasn't been good this season yet, at all.

Devils goalies have an even strength save percentage of .813 when the Devils have a lead.

And that's the problem with discussing this season.  The Devils skaters have had sh!tty games to start the year.  They've been bad against Philadelphia and Boston and Buffalo.  That Florida game sucked as well - the Devils came out with nothing in the 3rd period.  That cannot happen.  Last night was probably the first game where I thought 'Oh, right, this team has talent and is good and can put pressure on good teams and make them make mistakes'.   But the goaltending lets them down.

This. Yeah with Cory - they likely aren't going to buy him out ever. More likely we see him go on LTIR and he's done. I don't see a way though we can keep trotting him out there with hope.

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2 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

This. Yeah with Cory - they likely aren't going to buy him out ever. More likely we see him go on LTIR and he's done. I don't see a way though we can keep trotting him out there with hope.

Permanent LTIR only works if the player is ready to retire.  I don't think Cory Schneider is ready to do that.

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2 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Are you suggesting that the devils are going to be a bubble team and end up on the outside looking in?

Because that kind of sounds like a worst-case scenario for rebuilding team.

No, at this point it's much more important that the Devils be good than that they get a high draft pick.  It doesn't even have anything to do with Taylor Hall, either.  

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5 minutes ago, Triumph said:

Permanent LTIR only works if the player is ready to retire.  I don't think Cory Schneider is ready to do that.

Or they can just minor him. Force him to play back up in the AHL, quit, and they can terminate. They aren't going to take that cap hit and they shouldn't.

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Where to start?

Like I've been saying, it's hard to justify benching guys like Bratt and Gusev when, whether they're in the game or not, we're blowing multi-goal leads for fun anyway it seems. Bratt's and Gusev's poor defense isn't losing us games, the system and lack of balance and depth on D are. We're not going to win any more games trying to teach a player or two defensive/two-way play, our problems are more structural and systematic than a few players not chipping in defensively. We need a new system.

Might as well just get the extra goal support instead of our 4th line in its current state, that escaped a 7-6 game with 0g-0a-0p somehow, with 2 of those players 0g-0a-0p on the season combined through 10 games. They're a known quantity (nothing much) at this point, might as well just get a 4th skill line going with some combination of Boqvist and Gusev that are deployed on offensive zone faceoffs or opposing team icings, etc., what do you have to lose? That way, you can still give them safe 5v5 minutes (10 or so), but put Gusev on the power play; I think that'd be a net positive effect for our team.

As for Hall's comments, I didn't want to get mad about them, but can't help it. This fanbase has given this team such a long leash; most other fanbases would've been booing the team weeks ago already, especially Edmonton. It's surprised me how good some of the crowds have been so far considering not just our record, but how we're losing these games (we've lost 3 2-goal leads at home). Hall should've had the presence of mind as a leader on the team to understand that, and what this fanbase has been through, and he just turned heel pretty quickly unless he shuts everyone up with an explosive November. 

I don't know where I stand on his UFA situation. He's not playing well enough to justify the $10+ million he's probably asking for right now, and if that makes us say "okay, let's trade him," well that's a problem too, because his trade value is going down too. I feel like Shero did everything right this offseason, and I honestly don't envy his position right now. He was so active and gave Hynes so much to work with, and all he was thanked for is a situation where we're calling for "more changes!!! (D or goalie)" and a star winger playing his way out of a big contract or lucrative trade. I don't even know what I'd do if I were Shero.

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1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I agree it's a long season and the optimist in me thinks there's still a chance and time for them to turn this around - hell, we're only 12% of the way through the season, but as the season progresses and we as fans have to sit through each game and watch them go through the ups and downs, the players can't complain if we boo.  Effort or not, we're paying money to see a competent product on the ice, and so far it hasn't looked like that.  If they want us to keep coming, either play better, or expect to be booed.  It's better than just simply not showing up, which is the alternative, and a very real possibility.  

Boo all you want, you have the right. My argument against would be one thing this team lacks now it's confidence (judging by the continuous blowing of leads) and average goaltending. Booing helps neither and will only contribute more towards the former.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Triumph said:

No, at this point it's much more important that the Devils be good than that they get a high draft pick.  It doesn't even have anything to do with Taylor Hall, either.  

This I think is important, in the past I've been on the "If you're gonna miss the playoffs, do it all the way" train, but we already have our foundational pieces in Nico and Hughes with guys like Zacha and Bratt looking like they could be good surrounding pieces. It's time for these guys to learn how to win.

It also doesn't hurt that this year's draft is remarkably deep. I think you'll be able to get a real impact piece all the way down at 15th Overall.

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4 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

Or they can just minor him. Force him to play back up in the AHL, quit, and they can terminate. They aren't going to take that cap hit and they shouldn't.

Not how it works.  Terminating a contract like this is very difficult.  If Cory still wants to play, he'll have to be bought out.  Having him in the minors means paying 5/6th of his cap hit, so that's not a long-term solution.

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5 minutes ago, DJ Eco said:

Where to start?

Like I've been saying, it's hard to justify benching guys like Bratt and Gusev when, whether they're in the game or not, we're blowing multi-goal leads for fun anyway it seems. Bratt's and Gusev's poor defense isn't losing us games, the system and lack of balance and depth on D are. We're not going to win any more games trying to teach a player or two defensive/two-way play, our problems are more structural and systematic than a few players not chipping in defensively. We need a new system.

Might as well just get the extra goal support instead of our 4th line in its current state, that escaped a 7-6 game with 0g-0a-0p somehow, with 2 of those players 0g-0a-0p on the season combined through 10 games. They're a known quantity (nothing much) at this point, might as well just get a 4th skill line going with some combination of Boqvist and Gusev that are deployed on offensive zone faceoffs or opposing team icings, etc., what do you have to lose? That way, you can still give them safe 5v5 minutes (10 or so), but put Gusev on the power play; I think that'd be a net positive effect for our team.

As for Hall's comments, I didn't want to get mad about them, but can't help it. This fanbase has given this team such a long leash; most other fanbases would've been booing the team weeks ago already, especially Edmonton. It's surprised me how good some of the crowds have been so far considering not just our record, but how we're losing these games (we've lost 3 2-goal leads at home). Hall should've had the presence of mind as a leader on the team to understand that, and what this fanbase has been through, and he just turned heel pretty quickly unless he shuts everyone up with an explosive November. 

I don't know where I stand on his UFA situation. He's not playing well enough to justify the $10+ million he's probably asking for right now, and if that makes us say "okay, let's trade him," well that's a problem too, because his trade value is going down too. I feel like Shero did everything right this offseason, and I honestly don't envy his position right now. He was so active and gave Hynes so much to work with, and all he was thanked for is a situation where we're calling for "more changes!!! (D or goalie)" and a star winger playing his way out of a big contract or lucrative trade. I don't even know what I'd do if I were Shero.

I want to be very clear on this booing - if you think Edmonton fans boo in the situation New Jersey fans did last night, you don't watch Edmonton games.  And Taylor would know that because he spent years in Edmonton playing for a sh!tty team.  Canadian fans don't boo.  Okay, Montreal does.  Everyone else?  Nah, not really, and most of them have been sh!tty for a very long time in recent memory.  You guys have way overestimated how kind Devils crowds are.   What Devils fans don't do is boo individual players in the way that happens in other places.  They didn't boo Rolston and they barely even booed Kovalchuk when he was at the height of his being awful.  But man, Milan Lucic wasn't getting booed last year.  

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