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7 hours ago, Guadana said:

This is the price you are willing or not willing to pay for an over-the-top player. Tampa did not(all teams in the league do) regret with Kucherov, Carolina with Svechnikov, Phily with Provorov, and Chicago probably still regrets the trade of Panarin. But there is always a chance that the player will be Nichushkin, Burmistrov or Yakupov.

I mentioned players already playing in No. America. Svetchnikov played for Barrie and Muskegon, Provorov played in the Dub. That was the exception I was talking about.  We were lucky to get Maltzev to come over.  Russian players do not want to play in the AHL.  they rather play in KHL.   i'll bet if someone looked into it, how many Russian players Devils drafted over the the years & never showed. i don't have the energy.  we got to kiss someone behind to play here? 

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17 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

I mentioned players already playing in No. America. Svetchnikov played for Barrie and Muskegon, Provorov played in the Dub. That was the exception I was talking about.  We were lucky to get Maltzev to come over.  Russian players do not want to play in the AHL.  they rather play in KHL.   i'll bet if someone looked into it, how many Russian players Devils drafted over the the years & never showed. i don't have the energy.  we got to kiss someone behind to play here? 

We haven't drafted many, least in the last 10 years. Traded Rykov but he came over, Maltsev came over, Popaguev came over, Zaitsev too early to tell - but how often would a 7th rounder be signed/come over anyway?

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11 hours ago, Guadana said:

I`m ok with picking potential vezina winner, but now we have one. 

I reallllllllly think we need to lower our expectations with blackwood lol We've seen wayyyyyyyyyy too many goalies been good 1-2 years then fall off the face of earth

edit: also honestly what did i held back on my other post? lol

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7 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

I mentioned players already playing in No. America. Svetchnikov played for Barrie and Muskegon, Provorov played in the Dub. That was the exception I was talking about.  We were lucky to get Maltzev to come over.  Russian players do not want to play in the AHL.  they rather play in KHL.   i'll bet if someone looked into it, how many Russian players Devils drafted over the the years & never showed. i don't have the energy.  we got to kiss someone behind to play here? 

Kucherov, Tarasenko, dadonov, kuznetsov, Gusev spent some time in Russia after draft. Some Swedes played in Sweden. it's normal to grow up in more pleasant conditions in more competent League and still have better perspectives  for a good contract if Nhl trip will not successful.

I'd rather wait four years for Khusnutdinov, but I'll get an explosive all-round smart forward for 20th pick, but who's asking me.

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5 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

I reallllllllly think we need to lower our expectations with blackwood lol We've seen wayyyyyyyyyy too many goalies been good 1-2 years then fall off the face of earth

edit: also honestly what did i held back on my other post? lol

Blackwood has toooo maaaanyyyyy chances for vezina than Askarov because he showed good results in bad team in two seasons. Askarov spent 3-4? professional games. 
im ok with drafting him, just not by 7th pick. if our Duo was Corey and Kinkaid , then Askarov should have been drafted. There are ton of Russian talented goalies in later rounds.

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54 minutes ago, Guadana said:

Blackwood has toooo maaaanyyyyy chances for vezina than Askarov because he showed good results in bad team in two seasons. Askarov spent 3-4? professional games. 
im ok with drafting him, just not by 7th pick. if our Duo was Corey and Kinkaid , then Askarov should have been drafted. There are ton of Russian talented goalies in later rounds.

I'm not sure if that's a good point. I mean, Askarov is said to be the best goalie prospect since Carey Price, some say he's even better than Price was at the same age. Is there a chance that he doesn't pan out? sure. There's many examples of that. But is there a chance that Blackwood's play falls off a cliff? Too many people believe he's officially the real deal but we still don't know that.

Think back in 2016. It would have been a no brainer to say "I'd take Schneider over Carter Hart in a heartbeat. Corey has proven to be super solid in front of a bad team 2 years in a row. Hart didn't prove anything yet... he's projected to be a top goalie but who knows"

Of course that's cherrypicking to make a point, but the point is that it's happening often.

So i really wouldnt necessarily say that Blackwood has more chances at a Vezina than Askarov. But if you look at where they were at the same age. Askarov is years beyond what Blackwood was.

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7 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

I'm not sure if that's a good point. I mean, Askarov is said to be the best goalie prospect since Carey Price, some say he's even better than Price was at the same age. Is there a chance that he doesn't pan out? sure. There's many examples of that. But is there a chance that Blackwood's play falls off a cliff? Too many people believe he's officially the real deal but we still don't know that.

Think back in 2016. It would have been a no brainer to say "I'd take Schneider over Carter Hart in a heartbeat. Corey has proven to be super solid in front of a bad team 2 years in a row. Hart didn't prove anything yet... he's projected to be a top goalie but who knows"

Of course that's cherrypicking to make a point, but the point is that it's happening often.

So i really wouldnt necessarily say that Blackwood has more chances at a Vezina than Askarov. But if you look at where they were at the same age. Askarov is years beyond what Blackwood was.

Our "new Corey" is 10 years younger like in good old days. And devils have a lot of problems. And we still have a bunch in later rounds. Vasilevskiy is a great goalie. One of the best. Better than Khudobin, but the difference doesn't affect the game as much. And i`m not against Askarov, just not by 7th. I think Askarov is a better option for 5th of Ottawa than for 7th of devs.

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8 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

I'm not sure if that's a good point. I mean, Askarov is said to be the best goalie prospect since Carey Price, some say he's even better than Price was at the same age. Is there a chance that he doesn't pan out? sure. There's many examples of that. But is there a chance that Blackwood's play falls off a cliff? Too many people believe he's officially the real deal but we still don't know that.

Think back in 2016. It would have been a no brainer to say "I'd take Schneider over Carter Hart in a heartbeat. Corey has proven to be super solid in front of a bad team 2 years in a row. Hart didn't prove anything yet... he's projected to be a top goalie but who knows"

Of course that's cherrypicking to make a point, but the point is that it's happening often.

So i really wouldnt necessarily say that Blackwood has more chances at a Vezina than Askarov. But if you look at where they were at the same age. Askarov is years beyond what Blackwood was.

Funny you mention Carter Hart...are you just as uncertain whether or not he’s a legit starter at the NHL level? Because him and Blackwood have almost identical numbers:


Mac - 70 GP 32 W 24 L 8 OT 2.77 GAA .916 SV%

Hart - 74 GP 40 W 26 L 4 OT 2.59 GAA .915 SV%

 

All I hear is what a stud Hart is, and how Philly has finally found their goaltender. And he doesn’t play behind a defense that’s total dog sh!t...

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8 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Funny you mention Carter Hart...are you just as uncertain whether or not he’s a legit starter at the NHL level? Because him and Blackwood have almost identical numbers:


Mac - 70 GP 32 W 24 L 8 OT 2.77 GAA .916 SV%

Hart - 74 GP 40 W 26 L 4 OT 2.59 GAA .915 SV%

 

All I hear is what a stud Hart is, and how Philly has finally found their goaltender. And he doesn’t play behind a defense that’s total dog sh!t...

I don't know but he may also fall off the face of earth suddenly like many other good goalies, that's just my point. I just used him as an example cause he was fitting in the time frame i was using. Anyone would pick him right now vs Schneider. But when he was drafted Schneider was in his prime.

Many top goalies playing in front of the same team suddenly started sucking, we've seen it so often. Some came back, some didn't. That's why Marty has always been impressive. He may not have been the best goalie every season, but you knew what you were getting with him.

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Puck daddy, (Greg Wyshynski ESPN big Devils fan for years) really wants us to pick Askarov at 7.  Him & Boomer had a discussion on this subject,  & made very good sense/points. I know many Devs fans would go berserk, but I'd be fine with this if it happened.

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19 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

Puck daddy, (Greg Wyshynski ESPN big Devils fan for years) really wants us to pick Askarov at 7.  Him & Boomer had a discussion on this subject,  & made very good sense/points. I know many Devs fans would go berserk, but I'd be fine with this if it happened.

To use a top 10 pick on a goalie that won’t be here for years when we have huge needs all up and down the roster would be criminal. I’d want Fitz gone the next day. 

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3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

THN mock has us taking Sanderson at 7 (over Drysdale and Rossi), Rodion Amirov at 18, and Hendrix Lapierre at 20. It has Asksrov going 5th to Ottawa. https://www.si.com/hockey/news/2020-first-round-mock-draft?fbclid=IwAR0ulLmYtOGmIKZO-QXTiCIcDKGk3V26NgWB2RjVfjRFQjY_yh8aWPGwI9Y

Oof. I’m really high on Sanderson, but over those two? Idk about that. The amount of second guessing for the foreseeable future would be unbearable. 

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3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

THN mock has us taking Sanderson at 7 (over Drysdale and Rossi), Rodion Amirov at 18, and Hendrix Lapierre at 20. It has Asksrov going 5th to Ottawa. https://www.si.com/hockey/news/2020-first-round-mock-draft?fbclid=IwAR0ulLmYtOGmIKZO-QXTiCIcDKGk3V26NgWB2RjVfjRFQjY_yh8aWPGwI9Y

I would take Sanderson but maybe not over Rossi. It's so sh!t that those picks from Arizona and Vancouver slid back so much. At one point we could have had 7th , 9th and 12th. 

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Sanderson has really grown on me since I started watching more videos on him. He's advertised as a stay at home guy, but his offensive upside is so underrated. Not only is he a great skater, but his passing and vision are quite impressive. You see him joining the rush quite often, and making really nifty plays to set up some goals. He initially seemed like a Larsson type of pick to me, but he's got a lot more to his game than Larsson ever did. He has got that nice combination of skating/size/work ethic/physicality too. I would be happy with Sanderson for sure.

Also, if Gunler is available at 20, he's got to be the guy. Tons of talent, and he doesn't seem that far from putting it together.

 

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If the goalie goes before us, that means a dynamic forward will be available at 7.

If we take Sanderson over said forward... man I'll be pretty pissed. But what do I know?

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11 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

If the goalie goes before us, that means a dynamic forward will be available at 7.

If we take Sanderson over said forward... man I'll be pretty pissed. But what do I know?

It all depends on what the Devils’ board looks like. Fitz said they’ll take the BPA regardless of position.

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There are far too many dynamic forwards to go with Sanderson or Drysdale - guys who aren’t projected to be true number 1 defensemen. I’m hoping for Rossi or Holtz, and if we can trade one of the 18 or 20 picks to move up and grab Askarov then that would be a tremendous haul.

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14 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Guys get fired for doing that in the workplace these days.

Depends on which side of the fence you're standing on though.

We've seen left-wing celebrities or politician getting away with murder while the mob is going full force on someone else doing the same exact thing. Gotta love the hypocrisy and double standards we're seeing these days haha

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If Sanderson is available, there is not even a discussion for me. One good defender - 1/6 of all questions about defense. The devils couldn't get out of their zone last season. We couldn't meet the opponent on the blue line. If the devils want to build a winning team, they should take Sanderson. His floor with his shot down ability and his skating - second pair and 18-20 min per game, PK. His ceiling is a Hedman without the same piercing shot. But the chance that Detroit or Anaheim will pass seems doubtful.

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36 minutes ago, Guadana said:

If Sanderson is available, there is not even a discussion for me. One good defender - 1/6 of all questions about defense. The devils couldn't get out of their zone last season. We couldn't meet the opponent on the blue line. If the devils want to build a winning team, they should take Sanderson. His floor with his shot down ability and his skating - second pair and 18-20 min per game, PK. His ceiling is a Hedman without the same piercing shot. But the chance that Detroit or Anaheim will pass seems doubtful.

Where have you seen that his ceiling is that of a Hedman? Everything I’ve read has him as a top 4 defenseman with a ceiling to of a 1b kind of guy if everything goes right for him.

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