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21 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Now that truly makes me sad. And I literally just defended Lou a couple times here over the past couple days...UGH

yeah i mean... not drafting a guy who's projected further than your drafting position is not really a mistake IMO. You can only make decisions based on what you know

Not giving up a 30th overall pick when it's the absolute best possible scenario you could wish for if you're in a position where you have to surrender a first round pick... that's a straight up mistake. And it's sure still biting us in the ass to this day.

 

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11 minutes ago, devlman said:

As much as Hynes deserves blame for this season, tonight I can’t blame the coaches. How about a big F U to the players with this lousy effort, pucks bouncing off sticks, little physicality, stupid turnovers...they can all gtfo.

Plenty of blame to go around. My fear is that Shero will give Hynes a pass on the entire season because of the Schneider/goaltending situation...

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10 hours ago, Neb00rs said:

Amazing. Amazing how few significant chances the Devils were able to generate down a goal against a poor Wild team that played last night. Again, the same story. Yeah, the Wild are good at preventing chances but this isn't new for the Devils. This team is so bad at 5v5 play and given the talent they have that's just inexcusable. There wasn't much to say after the Detroit game - they beat a terrible team - but you still hoped maybe the momentum could swing them a win against the Wild. Unfortunately the Devils are so dysfunctional not even that was to be.

This is 100% spot on and exactly how I feel as well.  We simply don't generate any offense - mainly, I think, because there's no flow to our game.  And that's a HUGE reason why I want Hynes gone.  There's more to it, but that's probably 90% of it.  Every now and then we manage to put up 25-35 shots per game which is a pretty good average and would seem to the naked eye like we're on the attack, but how many of those are actual quality shots, or result in scoring chances?  Like you, I was on record saying I didn't feel any better after beating Detroit - they're a trainwreck, just like us.  

At the end of the day, I think it's really just as simple as this - if the players are doing what they do in practice and not executing it in games, you fire the players.  If what the players are doing during practice isn't working in games, you fire the coach. 

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7 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Well that's easy to say in hindsight lol not a single scout had them in the top 2 of that draft.

This is pretty obvious. Having a first pic doesn’t mean you get the best guy. There are no guarantees in drafting, you are literally taking a chance on a guy. You can do your research, you can listen to pundits, you can do whatever you want to do, 90% of guys you will not know how they will be until they are in the league. Your McDavid’s and your Crosbys are in the 10%. 

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7 hours ago, devlman said:

As much as Hynes deserves blame for this season, tonight I can’t blame the coaches. How about a big F U to the players with this lousy effort, pucks bouncing off sticks, little physicality, stupid turnovers...they can all gtfo.

This is why I don’t get the hatred for Wood. If nothing else, he’s giving you 100%.He takes too many penalties, but he also drives penalties, he’s aggressive, he’s fast, he’s chaos on ice skates. Opportunities come from that sometimes.

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12 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Yea. Her Twitter account is cancerous. 

Yeah as soon as I saw your earlier post I immediately knew you meant Civian.  She is like if someone in a lab decided to combine the worst of Stein and Abbey on steroids.  She is probably the only beat writer I can think of where I am happy we have our current crop rather than her.

She tries to turn every post and conversation about her and throws out the victim card like candy.

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8 hours ago, Nicomo said:

To me a whiff is passing on players like Rantanen and Barzal for a guy who can’t even stay in the lineup on a terrible team, or crack 30 points in a season. 

Not taking a bonafide top 6 center who might compete for Selke trophies some day. 

Please dont bring up missing on Barzal. Every time I see him on the ice I want to punch Conte in the stomach. 

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Usually when the whole team sucks you can look at the system and coaches... but the fact that Hynes himself asked to be shadowed or wtv tells me that maybe it's the players not executing what he's asking? I don't know? 

At the same time sure we have a young team but we have guys like Zajac, Palms, Hall etc etc who we know should be more productive than they are. 

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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Usually when the whole team sucks you can look at the system and coaches... but the fact that Hynes himself asked to be shadowed or wtv tells me that maybe it's the players not executing what he's asking? I don't know? 

At the same time sure we have a young team but we have guys like Zajac, Palms, Hall etc etc who we know should be more productive than they are. 

I know that is the line him and the team have said publicly, but I think they are full of it.

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

This is why I don’t get the hatred for Wood. If nothing else, he’s giving you 100%.He takes too many penalties, but he also drives penalties, he’s aggressive, he’s fast, he’s chaos on ice skates. Opportunities come from that sometimes.

So do countless turnovers and the inability to pass the puck with any precision. This was symptomatic of the entire team last night though and not just Wood. Really poor effort from everyone.

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24 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Usually when the whole team sucks you can look at the system and coaches... but the fact that Hynes himself asked to be shadowed or wtv tells me that maybe it's the players not executing what he's asking? I don't know? 

At the same time sure we have a young team but we have guys like Zajac, Palms, Hall etc etc who we know should be more productive than they are. 

Palms has 9 goals and 6 assists through 23 GP.   That's a 32 G/53 Point pace over 82 GP.  How much more productive is he supposed to be?  Palms is one of the few who's right about where he should be. 

Although I know Hall won't shoot 5% for the season, would be nice to see some positive regression from him already. 

Zajac's SOG are WAY down this year...over the past five seasons, he was very consistent with his SOG per game...for each season, starting with 2014-15:  1.51, 1.50, 1.58, 1.44, 1.50

This year, that number has fallen to 0.70.  That is definitely concerning, even with his ice time being considerably lower this season (about three minutes less per game than his average over the previous six seasons).  Not sure how much that will improve.

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You can argue chicken or egg here between Hynes and the team, but at this juncture the only option to try to turn things around is change the coach. You can't fire the players. While we may disagree on the level of skill, the skill is there. They are better than their record. Who knows, maybe it is on the players now, but you can't really blame them for being demoralized at this point.  

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12 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I just stumbled on the Twitter account of the beat reporter for the Hurricanes and now I think we might be spoiled by having Amanda. 

Correct.

The Canes' writer is like Amanda on her worst days, but consistently. I'm mostly cool with how Amanda has adjusted this season, and think she's doing a pretty good job.

Maybe we're getting old (I'm 32) and don't understand the point of social media anymore? I don't know when whiny, relentless, and smug petulance became a draw; like a bunch of young Mike Milburys running around being annoying everyday, but they all get hundreds of likes no matter what.

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48 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Palms has 9 goals and 6 assists through 23 GP.   That's a 32 G/53 Point pace over 82 GP.  How much more productive is he supposed to be?  Palms is one of the few who's right about where he should be. 

Although I know Hall won't shoot 5% for the season, would be nice to see some positive regression from him already. 

Zajac's SOG are WAY down this year...over the past five seasons, he was very consistent with his SOG per game...for each season, starting with 2014-15:  1.51, 1.50, 1.58, 1.44, 1.50

This year, that number has fallen to 0.70.  That is definitely concerning, even with his ice time being considerably lower this season (about three minutes less per game than his average over the previous six seasons).  Not sure how much that will improve.

I agree Palms is having a fine season - I think the problem lies in that he's on our top line, and a 53 point guy who's in your top 3 isn't likely going to get you to a Cup - it might not even get you into the playoffs, as we're seeing.  The only other consistent producer we have right now is Hall, and maybe Nico.  Outside of those three guys, we have a lot of other should-be-producing guys, or guys with potential - the Hughes', Bratt's, Coleman's, and Gusev's and Zacha's of the world, but they just aren't contributing enough. And when they do contribute, they don't all happen at the same time - it seems like we very rarely have guys that contribute simultaneously.  

We'll get a random goal from Zacha, or Simmonds, and then nothing else from our top line.  Or like last night, we'll get one from Palms, and then essentially nothing else from the bottom 6 guys.  That can't happen if you want to be playoff bound and have dreams of a Cup.

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

At the same time sure we have a young team but we have guys like Zajac, Palms, Hall etc etc who we know should be more productive than they are. 

I wouldn't include Zajac on that list. He's a 3rd line defensive forward who is probably a year or two from retirement. 

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10 hours ago, devlman said:

As much as Hynes deserves blame for this season, tonight I can’t blame the coaches. How about a big F U to the players with this lousy effort, pucks bouncing off sticks, little physicality, stupid turnovers...they can all gtfo.

I'm not so sure about that. This coach (or even coaches) have lost the players. Many people have suggested that the coaches system or lack of is causing many players to regress. Last night it was evident that they could not get out of there own way. In the first period the Wild who played back to back seemed to have a game plan and were grinding and playing well, NJ looked stale almost like they were waiting for some direction on how to play. Many player Hall, Subban look as if they are they are trying to do it all on their own and Severson? What was that! Not sure where they go from here but if true and the coaches have lost the players its only going to get worse. LGD!!!!!

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32 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I wouldn't include Zajac on that list. He's a 3rd line defensive forward who is probably a year or two from retirement. 

what i mean is that he's an established guy and you know what you're getting from him. If he's not giving that, then you can see that there's a bigger problem

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3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

what i mean is that he's an established guy and you know what you're getting from him. If he's not giving that, then you can see that there's a bigger problem

He’s been really invisible most of this season. Andy freaking Greene has more shots than Zajac does...

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13 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

 

Yea, he looks just like Miles fvcking Wood. When the team is bad some of you guys go off the deep end and say the dumbest sh!t. 

I don't think he looks like Wood at all. But I think at this point he thrives on a pond hockey loose style of game where you go one on two/three too much and often end up empty loosing the puck eventually. Yes this time he got a shot off. But for everyone of these vids there's just as many proving what my eyes see (for now). And no I'm not going to search for Jack looses the puck vids to post. After all those great moves he threw a dart into the goalies chest.

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1 hour ago, DJ Eco said:

Correct.

The Canes' writer is like Amanda on her worst days, but consistently. I'm mostly cool with how Amanda has adjusted this season, and think she's doing a pretty good job.

Maybe we're getting old (I'm 32) and don't understand the point of social media anymore? I don't know when whiny, relentless, and smug petulance became a draw; like a bunch of young Mike Milburys running around being annoying everyday, but they all get hundreds of likes no matter what.

I don't mind Amanda's work for the team. It is watered down because she is a team employee, but she does a good job. The extracurricular stuff is why I only check her twitter stuff out on gamedays-- However that is her choice to use her platform for non-sports related stuff and, as I am only interested in her so-far as it relates to the team, it is also my choice to not follow her closely. 

Unlike Amanda, who has opinions I don't care about or don't agree with but does a good job covering the team, that Canes beat writer literally seems like the worst kind of person. 

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17 minutes ago, titans04 said:

I don't think he looks like Wood at all. But I think at this point he thrives on a pond hockey loose style of game where you go one on one too much and often end up empty loosing the puck eventually. Yes this time he got a shot off. But for everyone of these vids there's just as many proving what my eyes see (for now). And no I'm not going to search for Jack looses the puck vids to post. After all those great moves he threw a dart into the goalies chest.

He created a scoring chance out of nothing all on his own. Do you think other highly skilled players in the league don't take chances and sometimes make mistakes? He is 18, he's already doing that stuff, and he's only going to get better. Yea he will make take chances, sometimes he will make mistakes and sometimes he wont always score. You take the good with the bad because the good outweighs the bad or he wouldn't do it.

You just said it, he is making it look like he's playing pond hockey out there but it's the freaking NHL. That is basically the end of the discussion right there. 

 

EDIT: Also I want to add, and I am not trying to be malicious towards you specifically in this comment, that it really goes to show just how far into "depression mode" this board is when we have a grade A top tier talented player who is making plays coast-to-coast and skating circles around other NHL teams at 18 years old and people are finding a reason to be pessimistic/unhappy about it. We'd have to go back in time almost a decade to even come CLOSE to a player that good, that could do those kinds of things, wearing our team's jersey and people are still unhappy. Jack Hughes is literally one of less than a handful of things to be happy about right now and people are still not satisfied.

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