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yeah i mean... most GM come with some sort of supporting group they worked with and know work well together... just like on the ice of behind the bench... you need a good chemistry to have something special.

I'm just not sure who someone like Marty has and what kind of supporting group he could bring in

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Looks like Shero sent Fitzgerald down to the bench to diagnose the problems with team and he came back to the owners and told them the problem is Ray Shero.

I’d believe that 100% to be honest

I'm so sick of hearing about 2015. The end of the 2019-2020 season is a couple of months away. I don't care about 2015. We know it wasn't much, but like I said earlier, I'm focused on 2018. That team

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Everyone is just assuming Marty will be a bad GM. I'm not sure that's the case. Maybe having a guy who's been a player, and a successfully player and a winner, is not a bad idea. 

That said, it could be an awful idea, we'll never know until we try. 

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

Everyone is just assuming Marty will be a bad GM. I'm not sure that's the case. Maybe having a guy who's been a player, and a successfully player and a winner, is not a bad idea. 

That said, it could be an awful idea, we'll never know until we try. 

I’m afraid of having to one day fire Martin Brodeur. That’s why I’d prefer he not be GM.

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2 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

Look at Steve starting to drop some hot takes on twitter.

He'd best be careful or he might be next :lol: 

Based on Dano's behavior I thought all members of the broadcast team were required to be glorified cheerleaders and company men/people.

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46 minutes ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

And can the next GM immediately extend Gusev.

That dude will be outta here the second he can

I’d like to see both him and Coleman extended ASAP. 

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3 hours ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

I haven't been on and cannot read this entire thread. But CR76 says it all right here ^^^^

Did we all hear Harris yesterday?   This guy knows less about hockey than I do for God's sake.

Who we gonna get now?  The Oilers GM we got Hall from?  And Marty making personnel decisions?   lol, what a way to spoil your legacy.

I trusted Shero. Mistakes happen. FA's do not want to come here. Retaining good players will be hard.

Bad decision, IMO

I think it's quite unfair to judge Marty without giving him a chance.  He was in St. Louis for a few years and I'm sure learned quite a bit, and he's been here for a couple.  I'm not going to say he's going to be great, but he should at least be given a shot before you say he won't do a good job.

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31 minutes ago, Toasterleavins said:

Only one of those approaches the level of hero worship this fanbase has for Marty imo and thats Sakic, who's team is finally having a good season. 

I wont be hugely upset if its Marty, and Ill obviously be rooting for the teams success. The Devils have now been bad so long im just tired of it, and would be in favor of not having a first time gm at the helm.

 

Well an experienced Cup winning GM didn’t work out either...

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

You could also talk about how that same group has sucked a bag of d!cks for the rest of the season, though...

100%.  Not to mention that that same group has seemingly started to play better once, and only, after their head coach was canned.

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12 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

There’s “selection biases to make a point” and then there’s “most successful twenty seven hours of the season”. I lol’ed.

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34 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah i mean... most GM come with some sort of supporting group they worked with and know work well together... just like on the ice of behind the bench... you need a good chemistry to have something special.

I'm just not sure who someone like Marty has and what kind of supporting group he could bring in

Marty has been around the NHL longer than Shero. I’m sure he’s made a contact or two...

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24 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Everyone is just assuming Marty will be a bad GM. I'm not sure that's the case. Maybe having a guy who's been a player, and a successfully player and a winner, is not a bad idea. 

That said, it could be an awful idea, we'll never know until we try. 

Exactly. 

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23 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I’m afraid of having to one day fire Martin Brodeur. That’s why I’d prefer he not be GM.

Again, would it really be any worse than this...

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22 minutes ago, devlman said:

The owner gave a generic quote about winning. That’s it. Didn’t mean Shero didn’t want to. They all could have been on board with winning with the offseason moves and with it exploding in our faces Shero is realizing we aren’t going to win right now so let’s continue adding to our Nico/Bratt/Jack core with players that age. To me, it’s stupid to not get a first round pick back for Sami vatanen. Sami is a good player but he’s not quite on the timeline. Id trust Ray Shero than Josh Harris over that hockey decision.

Never said Shero didn't want to win.  Just that it's possible that his (revised) timeline didn't line up with what the owners had in mind...especially when a number of his moves post-Palms and Hall didn't work out as hoped.  

Sami's not bringing back a first-rounder...I could see a second + something else though.  

1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

im praying to god the owners are not pushing for a full win-now approach.

First of all in the situation we're in how to you even do that? Signing players in the offseason to bad contracts is usually the way to go but there's no guarantee that anyone we'd "really" want be available or want to come here.

fvck sakes, we had a GM with the right mentality to at least make the "right steps" and they fired him. It's never guaranteeing results but at least it's not hurting you too much long-term

The good news is if the next GM decides to be aggressive in trying to accelerate this (and is able to not just throw obscene amounts of money around), Shero couldn't have left him with more flexibility to do it, as far as the cap goes.  And of course there's some good young pieces here...lots of teams would kill for Hischier and Hughes (even with Hughes clearly needing seasoning).  

It gets a little more dicey when it comes to draft picks, though not too much...no second-rounders the next two seasons, and no third-rounder this year.  Of course, the Devils should pick twice in the first round this year.  

Shero's drafts with the Devils are also looking pretty iffy at this point, though it's too early to fully evaluate that part of his tenure here.

I do think you're biased enough when it comes to Shero that the Devils could have been in a similar spot 2-3 seasons from now and you probably wouldn't have gotten on him for too much.  Though I was definitely on board with Shero getting some more time and would have given it to him, I can also see why some (including ownership) would start to wonder about him continuing to be the GM here.  I said when he first got here that his legacy might very well be built here, and in ways it has...for now, he's the guy who inherited a boatload in Pittsburgh and was able to win with it...here not so much, even with #1OA picks to work with (and another in his lineup due to a shrewd deal).  To be clear, I think he'll land on his feet and if I'm a team in search of a GM, I would definitely give him a call...I do recognize that the situation he came into here was brutal (not helped one bit by Cory falling apart), and I think he did some good things (I thought he showed tremendous creativity with some of his moves)...enough that yeah, I was willing to give him about another year.  But I think until he lands his next job and has success and does it without having Crosby and Malkin as part of the mix, in many circles he'll be perceived as the guy who had enough to start with that several GMs could've won in Pitt, and who couldn't turn a team around without those luxuries despite 4.5 seasons on the job in his next gig.  When he inevitably does get hired to be another team's GM (I can't see him not getting another chance unless he doesn't want it), I'll definitely be paying attention.  

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18 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

You could also talk about how that same group has sucked a bag of d!cks for the rest of the season, though...

Yep. You sure could. 

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I went back through the drafts from Ray, and yes too early too tell - but one thing that strikes me is how few defemsemen he's picked with the higher picks he had. Taking out Nico/Jack where he had no choice, but his first three drafts he didn't really pick a lot of D, and most were later later picks which are more crapshoots. We're picking Ray apart now, but that's the gimmick when one gets fired.

I still think this game is won by D 1st - and we didn't invest enough in it.

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15 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I’m afraid of having to one day fire Martin Brodeur. That’s why I’d prefer he not be GM.

This is also what I'm a little afraid of, but if Brodeur really wants the job, then I think they just have to be up front with him and he needs to be aware that one day the conversation could be "Marty, unfortunately this just isn't working out - we're going to go in another direction".  It doesn't have to affect his legacy as a player.  Hopefully if he does get the nod he is a fantastic GM and we have tons of success, but even if that's not the case, if the latter example is how it can be managed, I think it will be fine.

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35 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I’m afraid of having to one day fire Martin Brodeur. That’s why I’d prefer he not be GM.

I'm not so much afraid to fire him, you do what you gotta do, but what I am afraid of is what it does to what he has meant to this franchise. It is almost like you have to but a BUT in there describing him after if it goes south. Marty means a lot to this franchise yadda yadda reasons, BUT it's a shame he didn't work out as GM and the fans toppled his statue in championship plaza like Iraqi citizens following the removal of Saddam. 

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9 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Again, would it really be any worse than this...

 

I like you, but I want you banned for a day now.  Or just edit your post.  That image should not be allowed - so much so, that I removed it from the quote lol.

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9 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

I went back through the drafts from Ray, and yes too early too tell - but one thing that strikes me is how few defemsemen he's picked with the higher picks he had. Taking out Nico/Jack where he had no choice, but his first three drafts he didn't really pick a lot of D, and most were later later picks which are more crapshoots. We're picking Ray apart now, but that's the gimmick when one gets fired.

I still think this game is won by D 1st - and we didn't invest enough in it.

The two knocks (via some writers) that I'm seeing most about Ray after the fact are his not addressing the D enough (especially through the draft), and not having contingency plans when things went wrong....especially in the case of goaltending.  

As far as the goalies go, short of buying Cory out and accepting dead money for a number of years, I'm not sure exactly what Shero was supposed to do in that case.  I'm guessing that if Ray had stayed, Cory would've gotten bought out after this year.  But doing it before then would've been tough...and he did play well at the end of last year.  Maybe it was overly optimistic, but there were reasons to think Cory might not spit the bit yet again in 2019-20.  

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Of course we didn't draft a lot of good defensemen, that is the Pittsburgh draft model. Sink all money into top end forward talent, then go out and get a bunch of scrubs and castoffs for defense and a goaltender to hopefully stand on his head and win cups.

Seriously, look at the defense corps for Pitt on their last 2 cups and show me how those teams won the cup?

However, as much as I dislike the Pittsburgh model, Gary Bettman and friends love it and have been adding in new rules to help those teams as much as possible for years.  So, from that standpoint in makes sense to draft that way now.

Sinking high picks and money into defense and goaltending doesn't usually work anymore.  St. Louis has a great and expensive defense, but their goalie is on a rookie deal.  Compare that with the albatross of Carey Price in Montreal, which makes our Cory deal look pretty good.

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1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I think it's quite unfair to judge Marty without giving him a chance.  He was in St. Louis for a few years and I'm sure learned quite a bit, and he's been here for a couple.  I'm not going to say he's going to be great, but he should at least be given a shot before you say he won't do a good job.

Fair enough.  I wasn't diminishing his not yet made personnel decisions (though I can see how that reads)

Merely being involved as a GM or Asst. GM in an organization you ruled as a player is fraught with disaster

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