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19 hours ago, MB3 said:

He was the assistant GM of the st Luis blues, you dingus.

He was jettisoned from that role because he was absolutely useless. We had to take him back in something of a sympathy comeback because no other franchise was interested in Brodeur working in any sort of personnel or operations category. He should be nowhere near a job other than team ambassador or something. 

The team you openly root for on these boards, the Rangers, when they rebuffed Messier trying to muscle his way to the head coaching gig there. These on ice legends are not always great execs. Brodeur right now absolutely has got to be stopped from digging his claws into the ownership group and having any say over personnel decisions

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Looks like Shero sent Fitzgerald down to the bench to diagnose the problems with team and he came back to the owners and told them the problem is Ray Shero.

I’d believe that 100% to be honest

I'm so sick of hearing about 2015. The end of the 2019-2020 season is a couple of months away. I don't care about 2015. We know it wasn't much, but like I said earlier, I'm focused on 2018. That team

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3 minutes ago, '7' said:

He was jettisoned from that role because he was absolutely useless. We had to take him back in something of a sympathy comeback because no other franchise was interested in Brodeur working in any sort of personnel or operations category. He should be nowhere near a job other than team ambassador or something. 

Would be interesting if he joined the alumni group with Driver, Marshall, Dowd and White.  He would stick out like a sore thumb and would be great for his ego signing free autographs in the corner at a viewing party at Calandra's.

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2 minutes ago, '7' said:

He was jettisoned from that role because he was absolutely useless. We had to take him back in something of a sympathy comeback because no other franchise was interested in Brodeur working in any sort of personnel or operations category. He should be nowhere near a job other than team ambassador or something. 

Do you have a source for this? Because he finished out his entire contract with them. 

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50 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

I went back through the drafts from Ray, and yes too early too tell - but one thing that strikes me is how few defemsemen he's picked with the higher picks he had. Taking out Nico/Jack where he had no choice, but his first three drafts he didn't really pick a lot of D, and most were later later picks which are more crapshoots. We're picking Ray apart now, but that's the gimmick when one gets fired.

I still think this game is won by D 1st - and we didn't invest enough in it.

When he got here, everyone figured the D was going to be set to the point that in 2015 it was pretty much assumed that he shouldn't pick a defenseman in the first round under any circumstances.  After that, having Chycrun or McAvoy might help a little bit, but neither of them are the stalwarts they're made out to be.

The Devils very obviously had a plan for the defense, which was to  move away from smaller guys, to bigger players who may not be offensive dynamos, but who can handle themselves in their own end, are not be grenade throwers and who won't get pushed around.  It's why I thought that Vatanen was a goner. We'll see if that was a Shero plan that's now going out the window, or a Fitzgerald idea that will continue. 

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5 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Do you have a source for this? Because he finished out his entire contract with them. 

Going from an assistant GM to a front office "marketing" type role seems like a step back to me. Maybe there was no interest around the league, but I find it hard to believe that no one would offer him a job if he was so good at it we are now considering him as a replacement to Shero.

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11 minutes ago, '7' said:

He was jettisoned from that role because he was absolutely useless. We had to take him back in something of a sympathy comeback because no other franchise was interested in Brodeur working in any sort of personnel or operations category. He should be nowhere near a job other than team ambassador or something. 

The team you openly root for on these boards, the Rangers, when they rebuffed Messier trying to muscle his way to the head coaching gig there. These on ice legends are not always great execs. Brodeur right now absolutely has got to be stopped from digging his claws into the ownership group and having any say over personnel decisions

I seem to recall that he generally got positive reviews in St. Louis. 

In any event, the word is that he doesn't want to be GM, but wants to have the President's role, kind of like Shanahan.  I couldn't tell you whether he would do a good job there, I just fear that if it turns out he can't, it's hard to cut ties. 

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i don't quite understand why some are saying that our drafting has been bad. It's so early. And at worst we're on par or better than the decade before Shero took over if you go through our draft history. If we break it down by slices of 5 years. We already all know how bad the drafting was with Conte but it's like we don't hold shero to the same standard for wtv reasons... some blame him for his drafting even if many many players are still developing... Obviously having top picks will make the job way way way easier on you. 

2015-2019 (Shero)

NHLers: Hischier / Bratt / Hughes / Blackwood / Zacha

Jury is still on out: Boqvist / McLeod  / Anderson / Smith

and there’s probably more... let's remember Coleman took a long time to make the NHL and he's now one of our best player. Was drafted in 2011 and played his first full season in 2017. So it took him 6 years !

2010-2014

NHLers: Wood / Severson / Kerfoot / Larsson / Coleman / Merrill

Mehhh: Quenneville / Santini / Boucher

2005-2009

NHLers: Zajac / Henrique

mehh: Josefson / Gelinas / Tedenby / Bergfors / Fayne

 

Again... context. 

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11 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Do you have a source for this? Because he finished out his entire contract with them. 

They had no interest in retaining him. No interest in using him within the organization anywhere regarding any matters of hockey operations. Apparently no other team did either. He came here to do "business development" whatever that even means. He doesn't seem like anybody who is in any kind of demand league wide for his expertise of hockey operations. 

Indeed those would be very tough ties to sever. I just hope he's not granted too much power in terms over overseeing what's going on on the ice

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1 minute ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Going from an assistant GM to a front office "marketing" type role seems like a step back to me. Maybe there was no interest around the league, but I find it hard to believe that no one would offer him a job if he was so good at it we are now considering him as a replacement to Shero.

I'm not sure why Marty is being brought up as a potential replacement GM...Fitz is the actual interim GM and who knows if he gets the job (though he sounds like a legit candidate for it).  Dust has to settle on this one.  

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i don't quite understand why some are saying that our drafting has been bad. It's so early. And at worst we're on par or better than the decade before Shero took over if you go through our draft history. If we break it down by slices of 5 years. We already all know how bad the drafting was with Conte but it's like we don't hold shero to the same standard for wtv reasons... some blame him for his drafting even if many many players are still developing... Obviously having top picks will make the job way way way easier on you. 

2015-2019 (Shero)

NHLers: Hischier / Bratt / Hughes / Blackwood / Zacha

Jury is still on out: Boqvist / McLeod  / Anderson / Smith

and there’s probably more... let's remember Coleman took a long time to make the NHL and he's now one of our best player. Was drafted in 2011 and played his first full season in 2017. So it took him 6 years !

2010-2014

NHLers: Wood / Severson / Kerfoot / Larsson / Coleman / Merrill

Mehhh: Quenneville / Santini / Boucher

2005-2009

NHLers: Zajac / Henrique

mehh: Josefson / Gelinas / Tedenby / Bergfors / Fayne

 

Again... context. 

If only Lou had 2 #1OA's to pad his resume....

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3 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

If only Lou had 2 #1OA's to pad his resume....

We won the lottery 3 times. Even without winning we were likely getting an NHL players in all those cases so it's kind of irrelevant to point out. 

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I don’t really understand the fear that Marty would be hard to replace if it goes south. Again, these owners have no loyalty to him. He never played for them. They’re not fans. They probably wouldn’t even think twice about firing him if they had to. 

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4 minutes ago, aylbert said:

To be fair, Larsson was a lottery pick for us.

yeah and if we didn't win the lottery we might have ended up with Hamilton or Couturier, which in hindsight may or may not have been better. Still all NHLers

The point here is not to bash Lou or wtv. It's just showing that in the last five years we got as many or more NHLers than the previous 2 5 years. Thats it. 

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9 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i don't quite understand why some are saying that our drafting has been bad. It's so early. And at worst we're on par or better than the decade before Shero took over if you go through our draft history. If we break it down by slices of 5 years. We already all know how bad the drafting was with Conte but it's like we don't hold shero to the same standard for wtv reasons... some blame him for his drafting even if many many players are still developing... Obviously having top picks will make the job way way way easier on you. 

2015-2019 (Shero)

NHLers: Hischier / Bratt / Hughes / Blackwood / Zacha

Jury is still on out: Boqvist / McLeod  / Anderson / Smith

and there’s probably more... let's remember Coleman took a long time to make the NHL and he's now one of our best player. Was drafted in 2011 and played his first full season in 2017. So it took him 6 years !

2010-2014

NHLers: Wood / Severson / Kerfoot / Larsson / Coleman / Merrill

Mehhh: Quenneville / Santini / Boucher

2005-2009

NHLers: Zajac / Henrique

mehh: Josefson / Gelinas / Tedenby / Bergfors / Fayne

 

Again... context. 

You miss out on the "context" of Shero having two number 1 overalls, number 11 overall and 17 overall.  From 2005 through 2014, the Devils had exactly 2 picks higher than 17, one of whom they traded for Cory Schneider. 

The story now is that Ray Shero got fired, not Lou.  So you don't need to keep turning to what the team looked like when Shero got here.  Everyone gets it.

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8 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

This sounds like he's the hockey guy that will report to Harris and Blitzer about what's going on and provide either confirmation or rebuttal to the moves that the GM does.

Harris and Blitzer know wins and losses and $. Marty knows hockey - they'll use him for that.

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5 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

I don’t really understand the fear that Marty would be hard to replace if it goes south. Again, these owners have no loyalty to him. He never played for them. They’re not fans. They probably wouldn’t even think twice about firing him if they had to. 

One of those guys made an effort to get him back to NJ.(sure as hell wasn't Shero)  And not to be Hugh's assistant. They had something in mind more long term.

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4 minutes ago, Daniel said:

You miss out on the "context" of Shero having two number 1 overalls, number 11 overall and 17 overall.  From 2005 through 2014, the Devils had exactly 2 picks higher than 17, one of whom they traded for Cory Schneider. 

The story now is that Ray Shero got fired, not Lou.  So you don't need to keep turning to what the team looked like when Shero got here.  Everyone gets it.

Yup and the other conveniently left out information is that from 2005-2014 we only missed the playoffs in 2011 / 2013 and 2014 and won the division 4 times and made the finals in 2012. Just had to add some even more context to your post. 

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20 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Maybe the owners really wanted to tank for Lafreniere and Shero didn't want to put his name on that.

I think it is the opposite.  Based upon the press conference, it sounds like Ray was ready to break it down and start Rebuild 2.0, while the owners want to win now and aren't ready to wait for another 3-5 years before we can contend for a playoff spot.  Basically the exact opposite of trusting the process and what they did with the 76ers.  The way they approach the trade deadline will be telling.   

This is just a mess now.  I don't understand not offering Hall any contract at all, allowing Ray to trade him, then firing the guy a few weeks later saying that the team doesn't win enough as  the reason for his dismissal.  Hall was the best player on this team.  If you are going to try to contend in the near term, you need players like him in your lineup.  IMO, when Ray came to the owners and said his plan was to trade Hall, that would have been the time to fire him based upon their lame reasoning given in yesterday's press conference. 

I started watching the Devils in 1985.  Maybe its selective memory or the fact that I was young and didn't comprehend or care about the front office stuff, only what was happening on the ice, but while they were bad back then, I don't remember this level of dysfunction.

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5 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

One of those guys made an effort to get him back to NJ.(sure as hell wasn't Shero)  And not to be Hugh's assistant. They had something in mind more long term.

Sounds like he’s not in the running anyway, so everyone can calm down lol

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2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

You miss out on the "context" of Shero having two number 1 overalls, number 11 overall and 17 overall.  From 2005 through 2014, the Devils had exactly 2 picks higher than 17, one of whom they traded for Cory Schneider. 

The story now is that Ray Shero got fired, not Lou.  So you don't need to keep turning to what the team looked like when Shero got here.  Everyone gets it.

That's not the point of my post at all. I could of picked any team in the NHL and do the same thing and i'm sure our last 5 years is not that abnormal with the amount of NHLers it produced so far.

Here. I randomly picked a team. Took Minny which were always a kind of bubble team in the last 5 years..

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006879.html last5 years... only a few meh players or players that may develop into something so far drafted. No legit NHLer

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007089.html Rangers... Chytil and Kakko looks like the only good picks so far in the last 5 years

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006929.html Montreal... Kotkaniemi, sergachev, mete are NHLers... then a few jury is still out in the last 5... 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007439.html philly... Hart, Farabe, Patrick, provorov, konecny then a bunch of maybes in the last 5 years...

Go check for yourself. Look at any slice of 5 years for any teams and ours really doesn't look terrible 

 

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14 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i don't quite understand why some are saying that our drafting has been bad. It's so early. And at worst we're on par or better than the decade before Shero took over if you go through our draft history. If we break it down by slices of 5 years. We already all know how bad the drafting was with Conte but it's like we don't hold shero to the same standard for wtv reasons... some blame him for his drafting even if many many players are still developing... Obviously having top picks will make the job way way way easier on you. 

2015-2019 (Shero)

NHLers: Hischier / Bratt / Hughes / Blackwood / Zacha

Jury is still on out: Boqvist / McLeod  / Anderson / Smith

and there’s probably more... let's remember Coleman took a long time to make the NHL and he's now one of our best player. Was drafted in 2011 and played his first full season in 2017. So it took him 6 years !

2010-2014

NHLers: Wood / Severson / Kerfoot / Larsson / Coleman / Merrill

Mehhh: Quenneville / Santini / Boucher

2005-2009

NHLers: Zajac / Henrique

mehh: Josefson / Gelinas / Tedenby / Bergfors / Fayne

 

Again... context. 

Since you’re a proponent of context , a lot of those 2005-2014 picks were late round because the team was usually in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure if you took a cross section of lets say the 21st or 25th overall pick every year the rate of success is probably going to be pretty similar. 

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3 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Since you’re a proponent of context , a lot of those 2005-2014 picks were late round because the team was usually in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure if you took a cross section of lets say the 21st or 25th overall pick every year the rate of success is probably going to be pretty similar. 

Well that's my point. To show that our rate right now is pretty average and not bad. I even gave multiple other teams with similar or worst last 5 years... to compare ours to. I just compared it to other 5 years slices. 

If everyone would stop taking my posts as if my intend was to bash lou it would actually be amazing. 

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

Well that's my point. To show that our rate right now is pretty average and not bad. I even gave multiple other teams with similar or worst last 5 years... to compare ours to. I just compared it to other 5 years slices. 

If everyone would stop taking my posts as if my intend was to bash lou it would actually be amazing. 

Maybe if you didn't use all of your posts to compare Ray to Lou people wouldn't take them that way. 

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