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Looks like Shero sent Fitzgerald down to the bench to diagnose the problems with team and he came back to the owners and told them the problem is Ray Shero.

I’d believe that 100% to be honest

I'm so sick of hearing about 2015. The end of the 2019-2020 season is a couple of months away. I don't care about 2015. We know it wasn't much, but like I said earlier, I'm focused on 2018. That team

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35 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

This entire thread is cracking me up. Some people’s ability to speculate as to what is going on when they have absolutely no knowledge on the topic is amazing.

Isn't that the point of a discussion board though?  You had the same problem when people (including me) were trying to guess when they thought Hall and/or Hynes would be gone.  You're nothing if you're not consistent though, I'll give you that ;) 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

This entire thread is cracking me up. Some people’s ability to speculate as to what is going on when they have absolutely no knowledge on the topic is amazing.

Sure, some takes are going to sound more off-base and out there than others, but when something like this happens, yeah, everyone from the fans to the media are going to come up with theories and ideas as to what led to this.  As we know, it's pretty rare that owners and GMs come right out and say exactly what went down, word for word...they tend to give you just enough that you're left to try to read between the lines and see what you can figure out.  So far as I know we haven't heard a peep from Shero yet, so that alone will lead many to wonder aloud (as in on boards like this) "What the hell happened?"  

Fans speculate on stuff all of the time (especially scenarios where there's plenty of room for that, such as Shero getting canned despite apparently having inked a four-year extension not so long ago), despite almost NEVER having any inside info on their teams' actual day-to-day operations.  Maybe such discussion can seem kinda pointless at times (I posted an initial take that could very well be 100% wrong, but based on the info that was out there at the time, I came up with one possible scenario and thought I'd share it)...but you'll find plenty of people who think following certain (or ANY) sports are pointless to begin with.  I can't talk about football for more than five minutes with my father-in-law before moms-in-law starts rolling her eyes and making sarcastic comments.     

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My main worry is how this went down. Shero is relationship builder who is well liked across widely across the league and the way he was dismissed was belittling to Shero and embarrassing for the franchise. Even if you 100% agree with the firing you can't be impressed with how ownership went about it and then fumbled their way through a press conference with no real reasons.  Hynes and Shero were both let go right before games with off-days following...seems like an absolute clown show from a PR standpoint and from caring at all about allowing your players to focus on the games in hand. I'd bet the disorganized manner with how this was handled diminishes the Devils in the mind of many across the hockey community. 

 

Now to add my no knowledge speculation for Mfitz. The only explanation that makes sense to me that I have seen bandied about is: The owners already know they want Fitzgerald to be the future GM, so they want let him start now with the lead-up to the trade deadline and draft. But again, if that is what ownership wants to do just own that, say that, and don't do it 2 hours before a game....

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3 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

good points. I think too that holding onto Hynes was probably a mistake. And I'll bet Ray didn't want to fire him, but was told to do so.  Just like when he stuck w/ Bylsma in the Berg.

Ray, you gave us a 5 year plan, and it's not improving. Bye.

Ray wasn't given a choice with Hynes, but that came from the team. Not ownership. The team quit on him, once that happens, forces the hand.

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16 minutes ago, Steadevils said:

My main worry is how this went down. Shero is relationship builder who is well liked across widely across the league and the way he was dismissed was belittling to Shero and embarrassing for the franchise. Even if you 100% agree with the firing you can't be impressed with how ownership went about it and then fumbled their way through a press conference with no real reasons.  Hynes and Shero were both let go right before games with off-days following...seems like an absolute clown show from a PR standpoint and from caring at all about allowing your players to focus on the games in hand. I'd bet the disorganized manner with how this was handled diminishes the Devils in the mind of many across the hockey community. 

 

Now to add my no knowledge speculation for Mfitz. The only explanation that makes sense to me that I have seen bandied about is: The owners already know they want Fitzgerald to be the future GM, so they want let him start now with the lead-up to the trade deadline and draft. But again, if that is what ownership wants to do just own that, say that, and don't do it 2 hours before a game....

yeah i'm actually not familiar with the owners too much like some of you guys. But to me it reeks a typical super rich guy with no full understanding of how things works who usually gets things done by throwing money at problems. And had a fit and pulled the trigger and it had to happen NOW. There was no reason not to wait til the next day or wtv to do it.

I mean why would you fire your GM that is loved by all the players and coaches (i assume) hours before they play one of the best team of the league, on a back to back, with their backup goalie. Right after they won against the cup champions the day before. Turns out we won but that's still not how you should do things.

For awhile i worked for the owner of the Acadie-Bathurst Titans from que QMJHL. And i was surprised so often by things he'd say. Stuff you'd expect from random fans with no patience and full understanding but not from someone running the actual team. Hell his team drafted Mario Lemieux, Luongo, Kovalchuk, Bergeron etc etc in juniors, you'd think he'd have more common sense than that but nope. 

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10 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

I think people were more shocked at the timing than anything. Harris announced it literally an hour before a game.

Yes but getting it in before the all star date makes sense 

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10 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Those Palms rumors are just rumors. Politi who also wrote that trash article is yapping about it as speculation. 

It's pathetic how easy it is to get a blue check on Twitter nowadays. 

 

BTW Palm is out through the All-Star Game and Nico is taking his place there. So Politi already looks like a jackass

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Just now, NJDevs4978 said:

BTW Palm is out through the All-Star Game and Nico is taking his place there. So Politi already looks like a jackass

especially after we all saw Palms blocking a shot and getting to the bench in pain

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If there's one place where Shero shines, it's in trades. In a season where the team is at the bottom of the standings, and may have some pretty good assets to trade, you'd think ownership would want an experienced GM to be around for the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. Instead, they've got Fitzgerald, who I don't doubt is capable, but doesn't seem thrilled about the outcome. It doesn't add up. Lost season, so there doesn't seem to be any urgency to get rid of Shero. Plus his recent extension suggests that management was okay with the trajectory and the disappointing first several seasons. Maybe Ray wanted to get out.

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah i'm actually not familiar with the owners too much like some of you guys. But to me it reeks a typical super rich guy with no full understanding of how things works who usually gets things done by throwing money at problems. And had a fit and pulled the trigger and it had to happen NOW. There was no reason not to wait til the next day or wtv to do it.

I mean why would you fire your GM that is loved by all the players and coaches (i assume) hours before they play one of the best team of the league, on a back to back, with their backup goalie. Right after they won against the cup champions the day before. Turns out we won but that's still not how you should do things.

The professional thing to do would have been to announce it Monday morning. Doing it right before the game it came off as a very rushed decision. 

My guess is they were discussing possible trade scenarios or the coaching situation and it became apparent that Shero and the owners were no longer on the same page. They may have announced it like they did so it didn't leak but I still didn't like how it was done

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16 minutes ago, nessus said:

If there's one place where Shero shines, it's in trades. In a season where the team is at the bottom of the standings, and may have some pretty good assets to trade, you'd think ownership would want an experienced GM to be around for the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. Instead, they've got Fitzgerald, who I don't doubt is capable, but doesn't seem thrilled about the outcome. It doesn't add up. Lost season, so there doesn't seem to be any urgency to get rid of Shero. Plus his recent extension suggests that management was okay with the trajectory and the disappointing first several seasons. Maybe Ray wanted to get out.

I think that's exactly why he was dropped though. I think the owners extended him and were on board and then things changed when this season became like last season again. They have to be getting tired of the endless trading of assets. Just a few examples:
 

Traded for Palmieri and now he's rumored to be on the trading block

Traded for Hall and then traded him away

Traded for Mojo then traded him away

Traded for Vats and now he's on the block

 

By acquiring these players to help build something and then trading them away again, it shows that things probably weren't progressing the right way or these guys would still be part of the plan. 


 

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6 minutes ago, Jerzey said:

Seems to me like an argument broke out and Shero was fired on the spot by an angry owner. That’s why it was announced right before the game.

That wouldn't come as any great shock...especially if Shero was already skating on increasingly thin ice (forgot how fond the owners were of Hall, maybe how that whole situation was handled was what ticked off Harris and Blitzer the most).  Sometimes it really is that simple...a disagreement that blows up into a screaming match and with everyone's dander up and in a heated moment, someone either quits or loses his job.  

If something like that happened, wouldn't surprise me if it started with Shero proposing trading some vets for down-the-road pieces, ownership saying something along the lines of "Wait, you've already had almost five years, you just added a bunch of salary, and now assets that were supposed to help are being dealt away for...what exactly?  When is it that your plan starts to pay off?"  Then some words back and forth, escalation, plenty of yelling...and a roaring "THAT'S IT...YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!"

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1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

If something like that happened, wouldn't surprise me if it started with Shero proposing trading some vets for down-the-road pieces, ownership saying something along the lines of "Wait, you've already had almost five years, you just added a bunch of salary, and now assets that were supposed to help are being dealt away for...what exactly?  When is it that your plan starts to pay off?"  Then some words back and forth, escalation, plenty of yelling...and a roaring "THAT'S IT...YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!"

This is the stance that i assume ownership has as well. 

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2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

This is the stance that i assume ownership has as well. 

I also wouldn't be all that surprised if, assuming one final blow-up between Shero and ownership did actually occur, if there was something along the lines of "YOU were the ones who insisted that I go get Subban!  I didn't even really want to make that move!"  Does feel like that one might have been owner-driven...but of course, I could be dead wrong on that. 

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I also wouldn't be all that surprised if, assuming one final blow-up between Shero and ownership did actually occur, if there was something along the lines of "YOU were the ones who insisted that I go get Subban!  I didn't even really want to make that move!"  Does feel like that one might have been owner-driven...but of course, I could be dead wrong on that. 

I'm not sure about that one. With poile involved that felt like all Ray with the aim being to appease Hall and strengthen the blue line. I'm sure ownership was all about that one too though. And I still like that trade because the thought of this defense with no PK but with Santini in there every night is a little scary. 

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14 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

That wouldn't come as any great shock...especially if Shero was already skating on increasingly thin ice (forgot how fond the owners were of Hall, maybe how that whole situation was handled was what ticked off Harris and Blitzer the most).  Sometimes it really is that simple...a disagreement that blows up into a screaming match and with everyone's dander up and in a heated moment, someone either quits or loses his job.  

If something like that happened, wouldn't surprise me if it started with Shero proposing trading some vets for down-the-road pieces, ownership saying something along the lines of "Wait, you've already had almost five years, you just added a bunch of salary, and now assets that were supposed to help are being dealt away for...what exactly?  When is it that your plan starts to pay off?"  Then some words back and forth, escalation, plenty of yelling...and a roaring "THAT'S IT...YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!"

Yeah I have feeling the Hall situation has a lot to do with all of this. It was probably the reason he was going to be let go at the end of the year, if those rumors are true, and when he started arguing with Harris it was the final nail in the coffin. That’s my speculation at least.

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34 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

That wouldn't come as any great shock...especially if Shero was already skating on increasingly thin ice (forgot how fond the owners were of Hall, maybe how that whole situation was handled was what ticked off Harris and Blitzer the most).  Sometimes it really is that simple...a disagreement that blows up into a screaming match and with everyone's dander up and in a heated moment, someone either quits or loses his job.  

If something like that happened, wouldn't surprise me if it started with Shero proposing trading some vets for down-the-road pieces, ownership saying something along the lines of "Wait, you've already had almost five years, you just added a bunch of salary, and now assets that were supposed to help are being dealt away for...what exactly?  When is it that your plan starts to pay off?"  Then some words back and forth, escalation, plenty of yelling...and a roaring "THAT'S IT...YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!"

But then the owners wouldn’t have agreed to deal Hall. Either way, they would’ve been in the loop on Shero’s thinking re Hall, so that whole situation should not have come as any surprise to them. If they drew the line and fired a really good mentor to our young players over Sami Vatanen then that’s even more bizarre.

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4 hours ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Isn't that the point of a discussion board though?  You had the same problem when people (including me) were trying to guess when they thought Hall and/or Hynes would be gone.  You're nothing if you're not consistent though, I'll give you that ;) 

My problem is people start stating things as if they are facts, despite the fact that they know absolutely nothing. 99% of what's being said here is completely without basis, but one person says it, and then other people say it, and then people start believing its true. 

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48 minutes ago, devlman said:

But then the owners wouldn’t have agreed to deal Hall. Either way, they would’ve been in the loop on Shero’s thinking re Hall, so that whole situation should not have come as any surprise to them. If they drew the line and fired a really good mentor to our young players over Sami Vatanen then that’s even more bizarre.

Just because Shero was "allowed" to deal him off doesn't mean ownership was happy about how it all went down.  At least they realized that forcing Shero to keep Hall and almost certainly lose him for nothing wasn't going to do the Devils any good...even if they were disappointed to have to see him go.  

As far as specific vets go, if anything, I think it was more about what dealing off those vets represented.  Like DD56 alluded to, I could see ownership feeling like this was becoming an endless cycle, and running out of patience.  I do think this ownership (who I don't think is necessarily blessed with great hockey knowledge) saw this as step-by-step...and saw the Devils make the playoffs in Step/Year 3 (figuring "Perfect, we're right where we should be!"), and expected that there wasn't going to be such a drop-off, and weren't mentally prepared for events that could lead to a rebuild within a rebuild (ie being deadline sellers).  Looks like Shero had one chance to build this team up from Ground Zero and one "mulligan" season (last year being that season).  Still don't know why the hell Shero was signed to such a long extension though...it does make me wonder if things are as dysfunctional as some believe.  God I hope not.  

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5 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Just because Shero was "allowed" to deal him off doesn't mean ownership was happy about how it all went down.  At least they realized that forcing Shero to keep Hall and almost certainly lose him for nothing wasn't going to do the Devils any good...even if they were disappointed to have to see him go.  

As far as specific vets go, if anything, I think it was more about what dealing off those vets represented.  Like DD56 alluded to, I could see ownership feeling like this was becoming an endless cycle, and running out of patience.  I do think this ownership (who I don't think is necessarily blessed with great hockey knowledge) saw this as step-by-step...and saw the Devils make the playoffs in Step/Year 3 (figuring "Perfect, we're right where we should be!"), and expected that there wasn't going to be such a drop-off, and weren't mentally prepared for events that could lead to a rebuild within a rebuild (ie being deadline sellers).  Looks like Shero had one chance to build this team up from Ground Zero and one "mulligan" season (last year being that season).  Still don't know why the hell Shero was signed to such a long extension though...it does make me wonder if things are as dysfunctional as some believe.  God I hope not.  

I think people are looking into the extension the wrong way though. I believe the extension was a good-faith move by the owners to basically say "Look, we trust your 'process' and your future THIS MANY dollars, now it's time to execute.", but the season just didn't pan out as they'd hoped (understatement of the century). I don't think it was a "dysfunctional" move to throw Ray a bone.

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10 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I think people are looking into the extension the wrong way though. I believe the extension was a good-faith move by the owners to basically say "Look, we trust your 'process' and your future THIS MANY dollars, now it's time to execute.", but the season just didn't pan out as they'd hoped (understatement of the century). I don't think it was a "dysfunctional" move to throw Ray a bone.

Two years would've represented more of a "good faith, at least you're not a lame duck" kind of move.  Four years should show that you fully and firmly trust your GM...and that you're willing to stand by him even if there's some detours in his "process"...not necessarily for four years, but at least a couple.  To see that shattered just a half-season later...does make one wonder what the hell changed so fast, in ownership's eyes...of course, we've done plenty of speculating as to why this happened, but it's still amazing that ownership had become so disillusioned with Shero that they decided the guy who they had just committed heavily to suddenly and absolutely had to go.  That's the part that feels dysfunctional.  

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Two years would've represented more of a "good faith, at least you're not a lame duck" kind of move.  Four years should show that you fully and firmly trust your GM...and that you're willing to stand by him even if there's some detours in his "process"...not necessarily for four years, but at least a couple.  To see that shattered just a half-season later...does make one wonder what the hell changed so fast, in ownership's eyes...of course, we've done plenty of speculating as to why this happened, but it's still amazing that ownership had become so disillusioned with Shero that they decided the guy who they had just committed heavily to suddenly and absolutely had to go.  That's the part that feels dysfunctional.  

RE: bolded, you make a great point 

And yeah I said before that the timing is absolutely mind-boggling and looks very "Mickey Mouse" from the outside in. I stop short of 'dysfunctional' ONLY because we don't really know what happened in that room. 

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