MadDog2020 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, Devil Dan 56 said: But I still think ownership wanted Laviolette, Shero said no, so they said goodbye I would love Laviolette, but he isn’t gonna come here without a full-time GM in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: That 14/15 roster put up 78 points. this 19/20 roster is on pace for about 72 points. You can’t be evaluating this season strictly based on points when we are REBUILDING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: I think your window may be wrong. Maybe ownership wasn't looking at what's happened since 2015, and they are instead unhappy with what has happened since 2018. Which is understandable. The build seemed to stall a bit and maybe they were expecting a better team since that playoff run. But I still think ownership wanted Laviolette, Shero said no, so they said goodbye yeah maybe but to be fair this season was the first season where we could maybe consider being competitive. And even then it was a stretch cause most playoffs team stayed the same or got better outside of colombus.. and many teams not in the playoffs also got better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Being a GM has so much luck involved. I mean look at Lou now... he took the job in NY... failed to sign their franchise player (not really his fault to be fair but if you look at results... that's what it is).... then let his captain make it to free agency risking to lose him for nothing... that's not a "good decision". Turns out he re-signed cause he wanted to stay there but still a reckless approach. Then the Stanley Cup winning coach decided to take on another challenge... only a few teams needed a coach and he went there. Now the team is better without tavares somehow. It's really not because of something incredible he did To be fair, when Trotz was asked "why the Islanders" in an interview, he said "when Lou calls, you answer the phone." It wasn't like he just lucked into him. 1 minute ago, SterioDesign said: yeah maybe but to be fair this season was the first season where we could maybe consider being competitive. And even then it was a stretch cause most playoffs team stayed the same or got better outside of colombus.. and many teams not in the playoffs also got better. Yeah, i still dont think the timing makes sense, which is why I'm guessing there has to be something else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: That 14/15 roster put up 78 points. this 19/20 roster is on pace for about 72 points. over half that roster is retired now. Having a young core learning and trending up > having the oldest core in the league, not making the playoffs and trending down. It's an easy decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, devlman said: You can’t be evaluating this season strictly based on points when we are REBUILDING. what should I be using then? Hopes and maybes like we have been for the past 5 years? alrighty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: I would love Laviolette, but he isn’t gonna come here without a full-time GM in place. It may have just been a final straw. Again this is just speculation by me. Theres no rumors I've read. It just seems strange an hour before a game that there wasn't some sort of catalyst that lead to this happening now and not tomorrow morning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, SterioDesign said: over half that roster is retired now. Having a young core learning and trending up > having the oldest core in the league, not making the playoffs and trending down. It's an easy decision Trending up!?!?! We've gotten worse! And we have been "trending up" since 17/18 but the results don't reflect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Devil Dan 56 said: To be fair, when Trotz was asked "why the Islanders" in an interview, he said "when Lou calls, you answer the phone." It wasn't like he just lucked into him. Yeah, i still dont think the timing makes sense, which is why I'm guessing there has to be something else. Well that's just saying the "right thing" in interviews. Trotz could have stayed with his team. He decided to move on, he wasn't fired. And the islanders needed a coach. That's pretty lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 As I’ve said multiple times I did like Shero, and I wasn’t even close to being ready to replace him, but I do understand why this happened. I’m at the point it didn’t really piss me off. Which is telling. I think if you’re being objective you can admit if you take Nico and Hughes out of the picture our future would be looking very grim. Shero did some good things, it just wasn’t quite enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said: what should I be using then? Hopes and maybes like we have been for the past 5 years? alrighty. The progression of our young players that we are rebuilding around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said: Trending up!?!?! We've gotten worse! And we have been "trending up" since 17/18 but the results don't reflect that. our core is averaging 20 years old lol i mean come on now. They are not even in their prime yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Nicomo said: As I’ve said multiple times I did like Shero, and I wasn’t even close to being ready to replace him, but I do understand why this happened. I’m at the point it didn’t really piss me off. Which is telling. I think if you’re being objective you can admit if you take Nico and Hughes out of the picture our future would be looking very grim. Shero did some good things, it just wasn’t quite enough. But you can’t take Nico and Hughes out of the equation because then Shero would likely build his roster and core differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiquated Colorado Rockie Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 You can't make a strong case for Shero based on the results but I don't like it. He inherited an abyss of a franchise I felt like he at least had the right strategy in going about the rebuild. Made some excellent trades, some didn't work out. His drafting seems mediocre but I'm concerned about what's next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, devlman said: The progression of our young players that we are rebuilding around? Outside of Hughes and Hischier who has progressed? Maybe Bratt? Quite a long list of accomplishments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Please no Marty! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, DevsMan84 said: Outside of Hughes and Hischier who has progressed? Maybe Bratt? Quite a long list of accomplishments. Three key kids in the NHL progressing should be more than enough, but you can also look at the kids down in Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: our core is averaging 20 years old lol i mean come on now. They are not even in their prime yet good grief lol 1 minute ago, devlman said: Three key kids in the NHL progressing should be more than enough, but you can also look at the kids down in Bingo. Yup the last (or nearly last) place Bing players make me excited. exactly zero players in Bing are difference makers. Edited January 13, 2020 by DevsMan84 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, devlman said: The progression of our young players that we are rebuilding around? Which young players are progressing well right now? Nico and.... not too long ago we were talking about literally everyone on the team except Coleman regressing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, SterioDesign said: Well that's just saying the "right thing" in interviews. Trotz could have stayed with his team. He decided to move on, he wasn't fired. And the islanders needed a coach. That's pretty lucky. It's hard to believe that you have no hate towards Lou when you can't bring yourself to give him even a shred of credit when it comes to turning the Islanders around. The fact is that a lot of us liked what Shero was doing but clearly ownership didn't. The cupboard was bare and now it's slightly less bare, which is great. Regardless, something must have occurred to go from beating the best team in the east 5-1 and then firing your GM 45 minutes before a game. It's gotta be more than just what he's done since 2015 for him to be out tonight and not out tomorrow morning or afternoon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 What the fvck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, DevsMan84 said: good grief lol Yup the last (or nearly last) place Bing players make me excited. exactly zero players in Bing are difference makers. I don’t even know what ‘difference maker’ means but I’m realizing now that your argument is centering around having the next Nikita kucherov and Connor mcdavid in Bingo, so this is another overly-emotive reaction to unrealistic expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Decision was made and right now I don't care if it's fair to Shero... If he deserve or it's a shame (I think it's a shame but again... I don't care for now) I'm really scared for what come next? I so not see Marty being good as this job.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, moustic said: Please no Marty! I don’t understand why people are so against this. If he sucks he sucks. It’s not going to hurt having to replace him as much as it did seeing him play in another jersey. He could become our Sakic though... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nicomo said: I don’t understand why people are so against this. If he sucks he sucks. It’s not going to hurt having to replace him as much as it did seeing him play in another jersey. He could become our Sakic though... Marty’s been around a winning culture almost his whole career. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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