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7 minutes ago, titans04 said:

That's exactly what the owners just called out though, not winning.   So my question to them is what is it then? They can't have it both ways.

Bad should be in Hartford, invisible and showing no signs of coming on. And I was a Kakko guy.

even though he's even with Hughes in stats?

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Looks like Shero sent Fitzgerald down to the bench to diagnose the problems with team and he came back to the owners and told them the problem is Ray Shero.

I’d believe that 100% to be honest

I'm so sick of hearing about 2015. The end of the 2019-2020 season is a couple of months away. I don't care about 2015. We know it wasn't much, but like I said earlier, I'm focused on 2018. That team

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14 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

I think some very poor recent decision making has cost Ray his Job. I think this comes down to Ray taking too long to right the wrongs of the early season and basically wanting to burn another year and ownership not agreeing. 

Not firing Hynes early into this season I think got ownerships back up. The fact that the team has looked much improved in recent weeks had actually cost Ray I think.

His reluctance to deal with Cory in a timely manner hurt the team as well. 

The whole Hall situation was a horrible mess, ownership can't have been pleased with losing one of the biggest draws to the team for not much return. 

It will all come out in the wash and Ray will 100% find another gig. He is IMO a good GM. But in sport I don't think you get to make that many fvck ups in quick succession without consequences. Ray has paid the price for all of his missteps coming in a 5 month span.

Very thoughtful post. Hasn’t thought of it this way. Is the improvement in play an indictment?

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2 minutes ago, mikepeluso8 said:

even though he's even with Hughes in stats?

yeah. Neither lighting it up but Kakko literally has done nothing over the last 20-25 games.

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20 minutes ago, devlman said:

Luck or not (Which Nico was not. Lou would’ve drafted Nolan), they were our first round picks those two years. You can’t complain about having a lack of good young players while ignoring the two best ones we have (who btw will be perennial all stars for many years to come). You’re essentially saying, ‘Shero has drafted poorly, look at the passed five years minus two first rounders.’ How is that fair to judge any GM?

You know good players can be found after the 1st round right? Hell, look at the team we’re playing right now. 

Kucherov 2nd round, Point 3rd round, etc  

I and others have given Shero credit for Bratt, but problem is after that it’s slim pickings. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

You know good players can be found after the 1st round right? Hell, look at the team we’re playing right now. 

Kucherov 2nd round, Point 3rd round, etc  

I and others have given Shero credit for Bratt, but problem is after that it’s slim pickings. 

 

Post-first round players tend to take a little longer to develop and again we have some of those guys developing nicely in the minors/juniors. Btw Boqvist looks like he’ll be a nice player, doesn’t he?

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4 minutes ago, titans04 said:

yeah. Neither lighting it up but Kakko literally has done nothing over the last 20-25 games.

got it.

thank you.

My parents live in South Seaside Park--my heart is still there--in fact, met my wife there.

best to you--anyone from SSP is good in my book!

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17 minutes ago, mikepeluso8 said:

I don't catch any Ranger games out here in CA.

How has Kakko looked this season in relation to Hughes?   Curious to hear some insight here...

Been fairly invisible the few games I’ve watched. Even when Hughes isn’t scoring he’s at least noticeable. 

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2 minutes ago, devlman said:

Post-first round players tend to take a little longer to develop and again we have some of those guys developing nicely in the minors/juniors. Btw Boqvist looks like he’ll be a nice player, doesn’t he?

4 points in 30 games for Boqvist.

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15 minutes ago, devlman said:

Which is why the firing was completely ridiculous and unfair. The team has been winning lately.

A win here and there is hardly much to write home about. If we put together a 5 or 6 game streak I’d understand the outrage a little better. 

We haven’t won more than 3 games in a row all season. And it took until January for that to happen. 

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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

I would love Laviolette, but he isn’t gonna come here without a full-time GM in place.

There's definitely more of a chance he comes here now than there was with Shero though lol

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6 minutes ago, devlman said:

Post-first round players tend to take a little longer to develop and again we have some of those guys developing nicely in the minors/juniors. Btw Boqvist looks like he’ll be a nice player, doesn’t he?

I do like Boqvist but people here tell me he’s been awful this season lol

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3 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

4 points in 30 games for Boqvist.

Very odd to just look at points as he’s been playing 8 mins a night and is new to the continent. But he certainly looks like he has the tools even at his young age

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21 minutes ago, devlman said:

Which is why the firing was completely ridiculous and unfair. The team has been winning lately.

LOL who cares about a meaningless win against the Caps in January when the season ended by Halloween?  And a season where the team was supposed to be better at that.

If anything the improved results lately make Shero look bad for both extending Hynes last year and waiting too long to fire him now.  But that's far from the only reason the owners had to make a change.  Clearly Shero wanted to rebuild again since he's allergic to re-signing anyone who'll be over 30 during the contract but the owners weren't having it, especially after getting so little out of this one.  It was a philosophical difference more than actually being results-based although the results were bad enough to merit a change.

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5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

4 points in 30 games for Boqvist.

you know who doesnt understand hockey when they just give you a straight stat or result to support their argument and ignore context completely lol 

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1 minute ago, NJDevs4978 said:

LOL who cares about a meaningless win against the Caps in January when the season ended by Halloween?

If anything the improved results lately make Shero look bad for both extending Hynes last year and waiting too long to fire him now.  But that's far from the only reason the owners had to make a change.  Clearly Shero wanted to rebuild again but the owners weren't having it, especially after getting so little out of this one.

The team’s horrid start forced Shero to become sellers. Can’t fault him for having that mindset at this point. If they want to fire him for Schneider laying an egg this season and sticking with Hynes an extra month then that’s really harsh.

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2 minutes ago, devlman said:

Very odd to just look at points as he’s been playing 8 mins a night and is new to the continent. But he certainly looks like he has the tools even at his young age

This exactly. Playing bottom-line minutes with bottom-line players in a checking role will do that for you. This shouldn't be his role and he should be given some kind of opportunity to play on a regular basis with efficient offensive guys to put his skills and tools to use. 

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4 minutes ago, devlman said:

Very odd to just look at points as he’s been playing 8 mins a night and is new to the continent. But he certainly looks like he has the tools even at his young age

He’s also mostly played on the 4th line with guys like Hayden and Rooney. 

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Coleman who's been one of our best player in the last few season was drafted in the 3rd round in 2011 and made the NHL in 2016.

another example of context that too many fans simply cannot understand. 

Caron has been drafting for like... 4 years.. OBVIOUSLY not a lot of his picks will be in the NHL now, it takes time

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3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

you know who doesnt understand hockey when they just give you a straight stat or result to support their argument and ignore context completely lol 

Please stop saying people don’t understand hockey. It’s incredibly condescending and rude. I’m pretty sure everyone that posts here has a basic understanding of the game. I know you’re pissed about your boy, but no need to lash out at people. 

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38 minutes ago, devlman said:

Given the owners‘ history with the sixers, they likely wanted to keep selling off players to tank.

Except they denied it in the presser and say they want results.  Not to mention they spent a lot of money this offseason, so I don't see how anyone could suggest the owners 'still' are fine with tanking after taking on PK's contract, signing Simmonds, etc.  While Shero's the one who was blase over keeping Hall, Vat even before the season went to crap.  

Heck maybe they wanted a bigger-name coach and Shero said no.  There was definitely a philosophical divide.

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Coleman who's been one of our best player in the last few season was drafted in the 3rd round in 2011 and made the NHL in 2016.

another example of context that too many fans simply cannot understand. 

Caron has been drafting for like... 4 years.. OBVIOUSLY not a lot of his picks will be in the NHL now, it takes time

Guys blooming as late as Coleman are not the norm. 

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1 minute ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Except they denied it in the presser and say they want results.  Not to mention they spent a lot of money this offseason, so I don't see how anyone could suggest the owners 'still' are fine with tanking after taking on PK's contract, signing Simmonds, etc.  While Shero's the one who was blase over keeping Hall, Vat even before the season went to crap.  

What’s your theory for the timing of the firing? Why wasn’t he fired last month?

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