Joonas #6 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I don't follow the rumors that much so I have no idea if this has been mentioned at all, but some Finnish media is saying that Vatanen could be going to Toronto. But what the hell do they know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Joonas #6 said: I don't follow the rumors that much so I have no idea if this has been mentioned at all, but some Finnish media is saying that Vatanen could be going to Toronto. But what the hell do they know? More than Єklund (2.3% accurate) and The Fraud Period, probably 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, MB3 said: are you aware that you’re posting this in 2020 and not 1996? because that’s just not true any more. If you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, jagknife said: Elliotte Friedman said on Sportsnet he thinks (as we’ve already pretty much known) it will take something spectacular for us to trade Palms. He does think Simmonds and Vats get traded. That's not exactly breaking news on any front. As much as people now want to rush to cash out on Palm and Gusev to an extent, the main reason they cashed out on Coleman was Tampa was willing to give us basically two first-rounders for him. If someone else wants to overpay with two first rounders plus another asset for Palm and/or he's not interested in re-signing here anyway, vaya con dios but you can't wantonly sell to the highest bidder just to get something back, you still have to ice a team next year and it's not going to be just AHL guys and scrubs. Edited February 23, 2020 by NJDevs4978 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said: You still have to ice a team next year and it's not going to be just AHL guys and scrubs. Jack, Nico, Palms, Blackwood, and then AHL guys and scrubs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Jack, Nico, Palms, Blackwood, and then AHL guys and scrubs? Ladies and gentlemen, your 2020-2021 New Jersey Devils 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Ladies and gentlemen, your 2020-2021 New Jersey Devils Can we get that guy Ayres to back up? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 So we're just trading the kitchen sink for mainly a bunch of stuff that could potentially be good. Got it. Can't wait till free agency when we try to sign talent with Joey Anderson being on our top line and Connir Carricj being our top defenseman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just a reminder to everyone, I know its pure smack to be the first to post a breaking trade but always double check the source. On Twitter? Do they have a blue check mark, more than 10 followers? on Facebook, its probably fake. On the web, make sure its a legit site. Deadline is 3pm but as of late there has been trades finalized after that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 "Severson has some skill but he sucks in the d-zone." "Palms is okay but easily replaceable." Sometimes trading your best players is worth it, especially when you don't think you'll be competitive soon. But proceed with caution, what you give up will need to be replaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I had a dream that I got a front office job with the team, and on my first day, it was trade deadline day. I got to my desk and there was a framed, autographed printout of the “Almost” meme with the inscription “We need to talk”. Then I woke up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Neb00rs said: "Severson has some skill but he sucks in the d-zone." "Palms is okay but easily replaceable." Sometimes trading your best players is worth it, especially when you don't think you'll be competitive soon. But proceed with caution, what you give up will need to be replaced. People say Palms is replaceable in the sense that there will be free agents available this summer who are just as good or arguably better than him. Two of them include Chris Kreider and Mike Hoffman. Dadanov is potentially another one. And that doesn't take into account what you would get back in a trade for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Daniel said: People say Palms is replaceable in the sense that there will be free agents available this summer who are just as good or arguably better than him. Two of them include Chris Kreider and Mike Hoffman. Dadanov is potentially another one. And that doesn't take into account what you would get back in a trade for him. Except our chances of re-signing Palms are WAY higher than we have to sign someone in the offseason that could replace his production. Also, his production is not enough. So we need to add to what we have. Hopefully we'll get some good prospects in the draft and that our youngsters will take the next step cause i truly don't think free agency should and will be any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Except our chances of re-signing Palms are WAY higher than we have to sign someone in the offseason that could replace his production. Also, his production is not enough. So we need to add to what we have. Hopefully we'll get some good prospects in the draft and that our youngsters will take the next step cause i truly don't think free agency should and will be any help I mean, if the Devils don't trade him, there's a good chance that he's expressed his clear desire to sign an extension this summer. Otherwise, what the Devils have going for them this summer is that they have more money to spend than anyone, and the teams that usually go after the big fish won't be able to. So they really can't be outbid for anyone if that's the route they want to go. From all accounts, the Devils are playing this right in that they'll pull the trigger on an insane offer for Palmieri. Maybe it's something like Palmieri for Hanifin, Calgary's first rounder not protected and some sort of manageable cap dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Neb00rs said: "Severson has some skill but he sucks in the d-zone." "Palms is okay but easily replaceable." Sometimes trading your best players is worth it, especially when you don't think you'll be competitive soon. But proceed with caution, what you give up will need to be replaced. Wow dude, what to be all pretentious posting graphs and sh!t to illustrate a point. You think we need fancy graphs? /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Daniel said: I mean, if the Devils don't trade him, there's a good chance that he's expressed his clear desire to sign an extension this summer. Otherwise, what the Devils have going for them this summer is that they have more money to spend than anyone, and the teams that usually go after the big fish won't be able to. So they really can't be outbid for anyone if that's the route they want to go. From all accounts, the Devils are playing this right in that they'll pull the trigger on an insane offer for Palmieri. Maybe it's something like Palmieri for Hanifin, Calgary's first rounder not protected and some sort of manageable cap dump. The whole “we have more money than anyone” so we’ll do better in free agency thing has already been disproven. There’s enough money out there that people can choose not to sign here even if we can’t be outbid. Re-signing Palmieri, who has already re-signed here once (yes, as an RFA but including 3 UFA years), is probably way more likely to happen. I am certain that will be pursued. That said, there’s no rush to trade him this year. If they bowl us over with a great offer, ok. But we’re fine to wait it out too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: The whole “we have more money than anyone” so we’ll do better in free agency thing has already been disproven. There’s enough money out there that people can choose not to sign here even if we can’t be outbid. Re-signing Palmieri, who has already re-signed here once (yes, as an RFA but including 3 UFA years), is probably way more likely to happen. I am certain that will be pursued. That said, there’s no rush to trade him this year. If they bowl us over with a great offer, ok. But we’re fine to wait it out too. I suggest you go look at Capfriendly, and you'll see that there are maybe ten teams that have the cap space to sign even one big free agent, and by that, I mean someone you'll be paying more than $6 million AAV. And of those ten teams, roughly four of them are not in a position where they would even want to sign any of them. You're right that it takes two to tango. This time around though there aren't that many dance partners for the players and the Devils could have the biggest wallet if they want to go to the ATM. (See, there's more than one person who can make weird analogies here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Daniel said: I mean, if the Devils don't trade him, there's a good chance that he's expressed his clear desire to sign an extension this summer. Otherwise, what the Devils have going for them this summer is that they have more money to spend than anyone, and the teams that usually go after the big fish won't be able to. So they really can't be outbid for anyone if that's the route they want to go. From all accounts, the Devils are playing this right in that they'll pull the trigger on an insane offer for Palmieri. Maybe it's something like Palmieri for Hanifin, Calgary's first rounder not protected and some sort of manageable cap dump. i can't really argue against what's been done here cause it looks like they are willing to listen to offers and to weight the pros and cons of trading him. Ultimately going for what they think is best for the long-term. im pretty sure like everyone knows that Palms will stay unless there's a crazy offer out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Daniel said: I suggest you go look at Capfriendly, and you'll see that there are maybe ten teams that have the cap space to sign even one big free agent, and by that, I mean someone you'll be paying more than $6 million AAV. And of those ten teams, roughly four of them are not in a position where they would even want to sign any of them. You're right that it takes two to tango. This time around though there aren't that many dance partners for the players and the Devils could have the biggest wallet if they want to go to the ATM. (See, there's more than one person who can make weird analogies here). I don’t need to look, you proved my point. There’s 9 other teams who have the money. There’s plenty of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Joonas #6 said: I don't follow the rumors that much so I have no idea if this has been mentioned at all, but some Finnish media is saying that Vatanen could be going to Toronto. But what the hell do they know? At the very least, informed speculation suggests that Toronto could be a destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 i dont know if any rumours with Toronto will be true... but after yesterday's game. It's clear they HAVE to do something, anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I don’t need to look, you proved my point. There’s 9 other teams who have the money. There’s plenty of options. You didn't read the whole thing. There are maybe ten teams that do, and of those ten teams maybe four of them are not going to be in the market to sign a big free agent based on the fact that they're clearly tearing everything down and how they operate. These teams include Ottawa, LA, Minnesota, and Detroit. If it needs to be spelled out, there are two teams out there that have the cap space and need to spend on at least one big time free agent winger that are definitely more attractive destinations than the Devils, regardless of money; Colorado and Boston. There are at least four wingers available as of now that are nearly as good, as good, or better than Palmieri, who include, Taylor Hall, MIke Hoffman, Chris Kreider, and Dadanov. You can also add players like Mikael Granlund, Galchenyuk and Toffoli as a step below Palmieri but still adequate. Based on the way things are looking now, if they wanted to, the Devils should be able to get one player from the first category and one player from the second category. I understand it's still unpredictable, but it definitely enters into the calculus if someone is coming to you with an extremely attempting offer for Palmieri. Edited February 23, 2020 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: i dont know if any rumours with Toronto will be true... but after yesterday's game. It's clear they HAVE to do something, anything. If there's anyone who can resist that urge under all circumstances, it's Dubas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I don't see the size of the wallet the Devils will have means anything. When have they shown the ability to lure a top free agent piece? The overpaid PK by a sh!tton for what he is and same for the corpse of Simmonds. I also continue to believe as a org they have no desire to be a top spending team or hell maybe even a top half team when it comes to the cap. They probably have more of a challenge in possibly hitting the floor although Nico's deal kicks in. As a result I think there maybe higher odds they keep Cory going into next season rather than buying him out. Don't imagine they have the desire to piss that money away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, Daniel said: People say Palms is replaceable in the sense that there will be free agents available this summer who are just as good or arguably better than him. Two of them include Chris Kreider and Mike Hoffman. Dadanov is potentially another one. And that doesn't take into account what you would get back in a trade for him. Every player in the league, save for maybe a handful is "replaceable" to some extent I suppose. Yeah, there are players as good as Kyle Palmieri in the NHL. But 1. Kyle Palmieri is already on our team and 2. my interpretation of some of the rhetoric I'm hearing is that Palms is rather easily replaceable. He's not. Severson is not. Coleman is not. And both Severson and Palms are very important to the Devils' roster. So were Greene and Coleman when they were here. Losing these players will set the Devils back significantly. It might be right to trade these vets away, but let's not lose sight of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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