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Trade Deadline Thread Monday, Feb. 24. Time: 3 p.m. ET


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10 minutes ago, MB3 said:

if the Coleman trade was a hole-in-one, the combination of the Vatanen and Simmonds trade is silicing your drive 140 yards onto the wrong fairway, banking it off of a golf cart, and accidentally killing the course’s favorite alligator. 

unless it comes out that Vatanen had a serious injury and might not play, i’m upset. 

I’m not sure exactly what you expected, but Wayne Simmonds and an injured Sami Vatanen returning what they did is (to use another golf analogy) par for the course. No one was giving up a lot for either of them, particularly as both are on expiring contracts.

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4 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I’m not sure exactly what you expected, but Wayne Simmonds and an injured Sami Vatanen returning what they did is (to use another golf analogy) par for the course. No one was giving up a lot for either of them, particularly as both are on expiring contracts.

For what they returned, i would have been happier holding onto both players. Simmonds is a bully that’s got Jack and Nico’s back. I’ll give you ten bucks if you can name any fifth rounder the devils have drafted in the past decade off the top of your head.

Vatanen is the best defenseman on the team — keeping him would’ve made it easier to re-sign him. I’m sure Fitzgerald got what the market could offer, and that’s fine, but if the best you could do was a 3rd and a guy who projects to be a 4th line pass-first winger, just hold on to the guy. Not like we’ll pass detroit in the tankathon anyway.

 

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Just now, MB3 said:

For what they returned, i would have been happier holding onto both players. Simmonds is a bully that’s got Jack and Nico’s back. 

Simmonds sucks and he's barely done anything in the physical department this season. With Wood and Rooney and a few others on this team we have enough guys who will gladly throw hands to protect their teammates. 

 

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1 minute ago, Satans Hockey said:

Simmonds sucks and he's barely done anything in the physical department this season. With Wood and Rooney and a few others on this team we have enough guys who will gladly throw hands to protect their teammates. 

 

“simmonds sucks” followed by “we have wood and rooney” is a weird sentence to read. 

he isn’t great, but i like what he’s brought to the team. i also like that he’s an experienced vet who’s been in a leadership role since jack was in diapers. 

people here dramatically underestimate how important the makeup of a locker room is. i worry about who jack and nico are learning their leadership from, because those are the guys who’ll need to carry a good locker room forward when it’s time to ice a competitive hockey team.

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2 minutes ago, MB3 said:

For what they returned, i would have been happier holding onto both players. Simmonds is a bully that’s got Jack and Nico’s back. I’ll give you ten bucks if you can name any fifth rounder the devils have drafted in the past decade off the top of your head.

Vatanen is the best defenseman on the team — keeping him would’ve made it easier to re-sign him. I’m sure Fitzgerald got what the market could offer, and that’s fine, but if the best you could do was a 3rd and a guy who projects to be a 4th line pass-first winger, just hold on to the guy. Not like we’ll pass detroit in the tankathon anyway.

 

The point about Simmonds is debatable.  Your argument about Vatanen is nuts.  He's a pretty good defenseman, who gets injured a decent amount, gets pushed around at times and doesn't fit what the Devils want the defense to look like down the road.  It wasn't too long ago when we got dominated by Tampa in the playoffs that people were pointing to him as an example of a defenseman who was soft and gets dominated by good forwards, and that was when he was two years younger than he is now.  It would have taken the Devils giving him 4 years at the very least for him not to decide not to test free agency.  No thanks there.

The return was disappointing compared to what I thought we would get for him a month ago before he got hurt.  No one is going to give you a big return for a guy on an expiring contract who's been out nearly a month and can't get his foot in a skate yet.  Still, it looks like we'll probably get a third and the prospect should have a legit NHL future.

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12 minutes ago, MB3 said:

For what they returned, i would have been happier holding onto both players. Simmonds is a bully that’s got Jack and Nico’s back. I’ll give you ten bucks if you can name any fifth rounder the devils have drafted in the past decade off the top of your head.

Vatanen is the best defenseman on the team — keeping him would’ve made it easier to re-sign him. I’m sure Fitzgerald got what the market could offer, and that’s fine, but if the best you could do was a 3rd and a guy who projects to be a 4th line pass-first winger, just hold on to the guy. Not like we’ll pass detroit in the tankathon anyway.

 

Pretty sure signing Vatanen was explored and it failed. I think he’s have been extended if that was possible. 

We didn’t trade him to tank, we traded him to get something when he left instead of nothing. 

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8 minutes ago, MB3 said:

“simmonds sucks” followed by “we have wood and rooney” is a weird sentence to read. 

he isn’t great, but i like what he’s brought to the team. i also like that he’s an experienced vet who’s been in a leadership role since jack was in diapers. 

people here dramatically underestimate how important the makeup of a locker room is. i worry about who jack and nico are learning their leadership from, because those are the guys who’ll need to carry a good locker room forward when it’s time to ice a competitive hockey team.

I didn't mean wood and Rooney are some amazing hockey players but they will stand up for their teammates. There's no denying that aspect of their games. 

Zajac and Palms are still here, you don't think those two are good role models? I'm sure we'll add some sort of veteran type player in the off season too. 

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You can't really criticize Fitz for the wheeling and dealing aspect of this - the market is what it is. It's more an issue of pulling the trigger at the right time and choosing the right prospects and we really don't get enough info to judge. Was there a fourth on the table for Simmonds a week ago? Who were the other prospects offered for Vatanen? You just never know.

It sounds to me like there is a broken bone in Vatanen's foot - just bad luck there. What I do like about what Fitz did today is what he said about Palmieri. He basically said that he's hard to replace and the he wasn't going to trade him unless he was offered something just ridiculously good. That's the right attitude given the Coleman trade. We have enough first round picks and not enough players now. It also really won't really ever be fair to judge Fitz's tenure if he isn't given the chance to run the upcoming draft. That's when he'll be able to really prove himself and put the picks he acquired to good [or bad] use. You'll notice that outside of Bahl, the Devils got nothing back really in terms of defense in any of their trades. That's a problem and Fitz is probably going to have to figure out how to trade one of our first round picks for a d-man.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

You'll notice that outside of Bahl, the Devils got nothing back really in terms of defense in any of their trades. That's a problem and Fitz is probably going to have to figure out how to trade one of our first round picks for a d-man.

Yeah it’s gonna be a pretty thin lineup for the rest of this season. #ItsMermisTime

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Well, we chopped as much age as we could this last week ..vatanen got hurt at the worst time, Simmonds is no biggie... PK is ours for 2 more, Sevs 3 more... that about it for known quanties.. keep fingers crossed on bahl and ty.. is mirco mueller a top 4 paring for us  next year? Another 1 year deal? Oh boy

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To think it would be a quick fix even with Shero still in place is silly.  Our entire defensive corps is a mess and probably the worst in the league. You don't fix that overnight.  We have one decent goalie who has never started more than 50 games in a season and no one to back him up at all.

 

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1 minute ago, EdgeControl said:

Is mirco mueller a top 4 paring for us  next year? Another 1 year deal? Oh boy

So far I’d rather have Mermis. He hasn’t been bad defensively and he’s not afraid to shoot the puck. Plus, as I’ve mentioned, we’d save a lot of money on altering jerseys to make the neck hole larger to fit over Mirco’s gigantic head. 

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20 minutes ago, jagknife said:

My favorite part of today has to be when Fitz held his press conference and was asked repeatedly by a reporter who won’t be named, he shot the individual down pretty fast. Loved it

I thought that was a great answer by Fitz. He listened to offers, nothing of that great of value was offered and he decided to keep Palms instead of trading him for the sake of trading him. I like it. 

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She seems kind of annoying, but I can’t get on her too much for asking the question.  There were fans who were wondering.

Loved the answer though.  Agree with it fully.  

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