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GDT: Devils at Ducks, 3/1/2020 8pm Eastern

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52 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

We look at teams like Buffalo who have been rebuilding forever and see that can happen with us.

Eventually there has to be a payoff.  Constantly acquiring picks and prospects when we still cannot draft well (outside the first overall) and cannot even develop our own prospects does not bode well.

It hasn’t really been long enough to judge our drafts for the last handful of years. Granted, we haven’t hit any home runs like Pastranak, but he wasn’t exactly lighting it up immediately either. I think we’ve found some nice pieces outside the #1’s in Bratt and Mac. And hopefully Ty Smith. Most of the others like all our young 67’s we’ll have to wait and see. 

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4 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

We look at teams like Buffalo who have been rebuilding forever and see that can happen with us.

Eventually there has to be a payoff.  Constantly acquiring picks and prospects when we still cannot draft well (outside the first overall) and cannot even develop our own prospects does not bode well.

Yeah.. that can actually happen because there's never any guarantee in building a team. You gotta land the right pieces and get the right mix of coaches and players. You require luck, timing and the stars to align more often than not for that. All you CAN do is make "good" decision in order to put yourself in the best position for success. You make smart signings, you acquire assets in case you need them for trades or draft, you try to keep your important players and you develop your players.

You think the Sabres has been sucking forever because... they don't deserve it or cause they havent been trying? lol No. It just didn't happen.

I understand the disappointment of cheering for a struggling team, it's frustrating obviously. But I don't understand the frustration coming from fans entitlement. 

Take most current successful teams and change "one" thing in their "recipe" (either one player becoming who he is or not signing a certain player or wtv) and suddenly they may not have a cup. It's incredibly hard to win in this league. So rather than feeling that we're entitled to success and get pissed off when it's not coming fast enough maybe let's just support the team by understanding the process and being patient.

 

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11 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah.. that can actually happen because there's never any guarantee in building a team. You gotta land the right pieces and get the right mix of coaches and players. You require luck, timing and the stars to align more often than not for that. All you CAN do is make "good" decision in order to put yourself in the best position for success. You make smart signings, you acquire assets in case you need them for trades or draft, you try to keep your important players and you develop your players.

You think the Sabres has been sucking forever because... they don't deserve it or cause they havent been trying? lol No. It just didn't happen.

I understand the disappointment of cheering for a struggling team, it's frustrating obviously. But I don't understand the frustration coming from fans entitlement. 

Take most current successful teams and change "one" thing in their "recipe" (either one player becoming who he is or not signing a certain player or wtv) and suddenly they may not have a cup. It's incredibly hard to win in this league. So rather than feeling that we're entitled to success and get pissed off when it's not coming fast enough maybe let's just support the team by understanding the process and being patient.

 

Asking the team to not be a fvcking disaster is being entitled?  Again, interim everything, our two number 1 overalls are questionable about being the best in their draft class, a $9M waste on defense, goaltending that hinges on a likely-to-be overworked rookie and an ownership who can't decide if they want to win now or want to rebuild again.

I am not asking to win a cup anytime soon, but it would be nice to not be one of the bottom 5 teams in the league like we have been for 4 of the past 5 seasons.

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28 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Asking the team to not be a fvcking disaster is being entitled?  Again, interim everything, our two number 1 overalls are questionable about being the best in their draft class, a $9M waste on defense, goaltending that hinges on a likely-to-be overworked rookie and an ownership who can't decide if they want to win now or want to rebuild again.

And don't forget the chicken fingers at the arena leave a lot to be desired too!

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4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

And don't forget the chicken fingers at the arena leave a lot to be desired too!

About 1-2 times a season I see pictures posted in the FB groups where someone got chicken tenders and inside is still raw.  Gross.

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20 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

 

Asking the team to not be a fvcking disaster is being entitled?  Again, interim everything, our two number 1 overalls are questionable about being the best in their draft class, a $9M waste on defense, goaltending that hinges on a likely-to-be overworked rookie and an ownership who can't decide if they want to win now or want to rebuild again.

I am not asking to win a cup anytime soon, but it would be nice to not be one of the bottom 5 teams in the league like we have been for 4 of the past 5 seasons.

Who is better than Hughes from his draft class? He’s tied with Dach for 1st in points. Hughes is getting a bit more ice time (16:00 >14:11), but Dach is also 19, and is already 6”4 200 lbs. Dach has also been lucky enough to play with Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat at times. 

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

Who is better than Hughes from his draft class? He’s tied with Dach for 1st in points. Hughes is getting a bit more ice time (16:00 >14:11), but Dach is also 19, and is already 6”4 200 lbs. Dach has also been lucky enough to play with Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat at times. 

Dach will likely have a better career than Hughes.

Petterson, Makar and Heiskenen are all better than Nico.

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21 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

About 1-2 times a season I see pictures posted in the FB groups where someone got chicken tenders and inside is still raw.  Gross.

The thing I don't get about that is, there's no way I thought they were cooking them at the arena, I figured they were fully cooked and frozen and they just heat them up. Mind blown. 

19 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Who is better than Hughes from his draft class? He’s tied with Dach for 1st in points. Hughes is getting a bit more ice time (16:00 >14:11), but Dach is also 19, and is already 6”4 200 lbs. Dach has also been lucky enough to play with Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat at times. 

I don't know who will be better, but I am pretty sure Jack will never be 6'4" or 200 lbs. 

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23 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Dach will likely have a better career than Hughes.

Based on what?

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7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I don't know who will be better, but I am pretty sure Jack will never be 6'4" or 200 lbs. 

Point is guys like Dach and Kakko (who’s also already 19) are probably closer to the size they’ll be as grown men. Hughes otoh still has some filling out to do. 

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12 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Based on what?

From what I have seen of him so far.  I don't need analytics to see he is more talented than given credit for.

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Just now, DevsMan84 said:

From what I have seen of him so far.  I don't need analytics to see he is more talented than given credit for.

Who’s underrating him? He was a lottery pick, and is one of the few players from that draft class to step right into the NHL. I just think 60 games is WAY too early to be speculating on entire careers already. 

Leon Draisaitl is the best player in the league right now, but he didn’t exactly light it up immediately. 60 points through his first 110 GP. 

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6 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Who’s underrating him? He was a lottery pick, and is one of the few players from that draft class to step right into the NHL. I just think 60 games is WAY too early to be speculating on entire careers already. 

Leon Draisaitl is the best player in the league right now, but he didn’t exactly light it up immediately. 60 points through his first 110 GP. 

And he was the 3rd pick in his class and easily the best player from his draft year.

Hughes is on pace for 39 points in his first 110GP.  Ouch.

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31 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Point is guys like Dach and Kakko (who’s also already 19) are probably closer to the size they’ll be as grown men. Hughes otoh still has some filling out to do. 

I mean he can hit the gym and all, but he's nearly 19. he's not going to be a big guy, ever. 

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8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

And he was the 3rd pick in his class and easily the best player from his draft year.

Hughes is on pace for 39 points in his first 110GP.  Ouch.

Pastrnak is pretty close. 

Then Dach is on pace for even less, because he’s played 2 more games. Again, who knows what will happen with these kids. 

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11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I mean he can hit the gym and all, but he's nearly 19. he's not going to be a big guy, ever. 

Well, no, and he doesn’t need to be. His biggest asset his his skating. He just needs to get stronger on the puck, and along the boards. 

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38 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

Well, no, and he doesn’t need to be. His biggest asset his his skating. He just needs to get stronger on the puck, and along the boards. 

Agreed. I’m just saying, he’s pretty much the size he is going to be as a man, maybe give or take 10-15 pounds if he does hit the gym.

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46 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Agreed. I’m just saying, he’s pretty much the size he is going to be as a man, maybe give or take 10-15 pounds if he does hit the gym.

I mean just speaking in terms of what's biologically possible he could (and will) gain well more than 10-15 pounds though it will take time and lots of surplus calories to maintain - especially given the cardio that hockey players get. That said he probably only needs 10-15 lbs to make himself safe out there. I'd like to see him put on 10 lbs this summer in a combination of muscle and some fat - he's young and has no real lifting experience which means he can synthesize muscle much faster than experienced lifters. He should be at around 4000 calories or more a day all summer.

As much as Jack will deny it, his size and weakness have changed his game a lot this year. What's promising is that the last few games he's showed a tendency to use his body a little bit more, to lean in to players and drive. This year has made him tougher. But for the bulk of the season Jack has been manhandled out there, it's made him impatient with the puck and a ragdoll on the boards. I haven't actually minded the getting rid of the puck quicker part, you kind of have to do that in the NHL, and it's helped him avoid hits, hits he was taking early on and that could have seriously injured him. I'm a little worried about the occasions in which he throws passes into his teammates' skates but considering that he manages to also make some elite passes out there, I'll attribute that to some sort of weird funk rather than a lack of hockey IQ...for now.

Yeah, as I think Nicomo pointed out above, there's only even three players from the 2019 draft class playing in the NHL right now and all of them have about the same stats with Kakko's defensive numbers maybe being the outlier in that they're a bit extra bad. Dach probably has been the best this year but making projections about any of these players full careers is a rather inane endeavor. Jack is still 18, and players of his size and age who play in the NHL are exceedingly rare.  Even Kane was 19 for most of his rookie season, though yeah, he sucked a lot lot less than Jack.

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10 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

I mean just speaking in terms of what's biologically possible he could (and will) gain well more than 10-15 pounds though it will take time and lots of surplus calories to maintain - especially given the cardio that hockey players get. That said he probably only needs 10-15 lbs to make himself safe out there. I'd like to see him put on 10 lbs this summer in a combination of muscle and some fat - he's young and has no real lifting experience which means he can synthesize muscle much faster than experienced lifters. He should be at around 4000 calories or more a day all summer.

I just looked and he's listed at 5'11" and 170lbs, is that right?? Seems too tall and also too heavy. 

If so, I don't think he's going to suddenly have a growth spurt at 18 (almost 19), and putting on 15 pounds would make him 5'11" and 185, and I don't see him getting much bigger than that. 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

I just looked and he's listed at 5'11" and 170lbs, is that right?? Seems too tall and also too heavy. 

If so, I don't think he's going to suddenly have a growth spurt at 18 (almost 19), and putting on 15 pounds would make him 5'11" and 185, and I don't see him getting much bigger than that. 

I don't want to become conspiratorial here, but to me, Jack is errr...not exactly 170 lbs. But whether he is or not, he can, even naturally, put on a lot more weight if he chooses to do so. Very few people reach their natural fat free mass potential in a lifetime. As for fat potential, well...humans seem to be much better at attaining that mark.

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38 minutes ago, Neb00rs said:

I don't want to become conspiratorial here, but to me, Jack is errr...not exactly 170 lbs. But whether he is or not, he can, even naturally, put on a lot more weight if he chooses to do so. Very few people reach their natural fat free mass potential in a lifetime. As for fat potential, well...humans seem to be much better at attaining that mark.

Is it possible, sure. Is it likely?

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3 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

 

Asking the team to not be a fvcking disaster is being entitled?  Again, interim everything, our two number 1 overalls are questionable about being the best in their draft class, a $9M waste on defense, goaltending that hinges on a likely-to-be overworked rookie and an ownership who can't decide if they want to win now or want to rebuild again.

I am not asking to win a cup anytime soon, but it would be nice to not be one of the bottom 5 teams in the league like we have been for 4 of the past 5 seasons.

Well see. This is going in circles... We know why we're still at the bottom.

Who's fault is it that our 2 number 1 overalls are questionable? Every scouts on the planet agreed with our decisions. PLUS Nico wasn't projected #1 and we went out of our way and THAT was the right move. It's easy to be frustrated if you focus on results with hindsight 20/20 but at the time it was the best decision. What was the alternative? go off the board and pick Petterson? this board would have committed mass suicide

I certainly didn't agree with firing Shero but they made decisions in order to get better. We know why they made those decisions.

Plus we know why we didnt progress as much as we wanted. A bunch of "good moves on paper" didnt pan out, sucks but it can happen. And we knew it would take awhile to restock with talent. 5 years is really not much when you consider it usually takes a few years before prospects are actually ready. And we have a bunch of those prospects who were drafted in the last 5 years on the team already so it's not like we're not seeing progress there

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Is it possible, sure. Is it likely?

 

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