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6 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Makes absolutely no sense and I'd be 100% against it. 

It's TV viewing sense, that's it.  The first two months of the NHL go up against the NFL and the last two months of it go up against the NBA playoffs and the start of the MLB season.  If you switched to summer playoffs, the only competition there is mid-season baseball and you avoid the October/November attendance drag games at the beginning, not having to go up against the MLB playoffs and half the NFL season.

But yeah it's not feasible for reasons already suggested - the union doesn't want to give up its summer family vacation, and it's not realistic to expect warm-weather climates to have great rinks for the playoffs.  The NHL's just not meant to be played in summer.  Just like baseball's not meant to be played in winter.

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1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

It's TV viewing sense, that's it.  The first two months of the NHL go up against the NFL and the last two months of it go up against the NBA playoffs and the start of the MLB season.  If you switched to summer playoffs, the only competition there is mid-season baseball and you avoid the October/November attendance drag games at the beginning, not having to go up against the MLB playoffs and half the NFL season.

But yeah it's not feasible for reasons already suggested - the union doesn't want to give up its summer family vacation, and it's not realistic to expect warm-weather climates to have great rinks for the playoffs.  The NHL's just not meant to be played in summer.  Just like baseball's not meant to be played in winter.

I don't think ratings would still go up by as much as they want. Hockey is still a niche sport in the scape of our country and that's just how it's always gonna be. They can use the NBA playoffs(which dropped a lot in the ratings last year) and NFL games as an excuse but in the end it's really simply because hockey isn't as popular and won't ever be. 

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From the NY Post:

”A proposed playoff plan has reportedly been floated under which the top six teams in each division — rather than the top 12 teams in each conference — would gain entry to the tournament, but that does not make the slightest bit of sense.

Under the divisional plan, the Rangers (79 points in 70 games, .564 pct) would be bumped by the Sabres (68 points in 69 games, .493) in the East while the Blackhawks (72 points in 70 games, .514) would be replaced by the Ducks (67 points in 71 games, .472) in the West.”

Sounds perfect!!

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6 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

I don't think ratings would still go up by as much as they want. Hockey is still a niche sport in the scape of our country and that's just how it's always gonna be. They can use the NBA playoffs(which dropped a lot in the ratings last year) and NFL games as an excuse but in the end it's really simply because hockey isn't as popular and won't ever be. 

Exactly.  It really makes no sense from either side’s standpoint to restart things the more one thinks about it.  It’s not going to put more money in anyone’s pocket to do it, and it’ll just be gimicky.

As much as they complain, the players have a pretty good thing going.  Despite the SCF finals getting lower ratings than an episode of This Is Us, the average hockey player probably makes more money than the average NFLer, and if you took QBs out of the equation a player like Travis Zajac probably will make more money than 90 percent of NFL players over the course of a career.  
 

At the same time, most of the owners are hoping to make a killing by virtue of buying low and hoping that things like a decent TV contract and perhaps gambling related revenue will help them sell high.

With that being the state of the world, I don’t see what trying to play in August will accomplish, unless they feel the novelty will bring in a lot more fans on the long run, which I kind of doubt.

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17 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Exactly.  It really makes no sense from either side’s standpoint to restart things the more one thinks about it.  It’s not going to put more money in anyone’s pocket to do it, and it’ll just be gimicky.

As much as they complain, the players have a pretty good thing going.  Despite the SCF finals getting lower ratings than an episode of This Is Us, the average hockey player probably makes more money than the average NFLer, and if you took QBs out of the equation a player like Travis Zajac probably will make more money than 90 percent of NFL players over the course of a career.  
 

At the same time, most of the owners are hoping to make a killing by virtue of buying low and hoping that things like a decent TV contract and perhaps gambling related revenue will help them sell high.

With that being the state of the world, I don’t see what trying to play in August will accomplish, unless they feel the novelty will bring in a lot more fans on the long run, which I kind of doubt.

Comparing NFL and NHL salaries is apples to oranges. Average NHL salary is 3 times the average NFL salary, but NFL teams are also paying what, 3 times the amount of people?

Plus, I bet the average NFL career is far shorter than the average NHL career. Probably by a lot. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Comparing NFL and NHL salaries is apples to oranges. Average NHL salary is 3 times the average NFL salary, but NFL teams are also paying what, 3 times the amount of people?

Plus, I bet the average NFL career is far shorter than the average NHL career. Probably by a lot. 

 

 

I get that there are very obvious reasons why NFL players make less than NHLers.  It doesnt change the fact that hockey players have a very good thing going relative to the popularity of the sport and that starting things up in the summer probably won’t change the situation.

Unless there’s some ironclad marketing analysis that says the league will gain millions of more permanent fans from some kind of summer playoff series, the focus should really be shoring  up the base, which I don’t get the sense is clamoring for it.  Like the NFL I’d focus on making the draft more of an event for real hockey fans and perhaps other people with more of a casual interest who are starved for some kind of sports programming.  And, maybe a few of the latter get interested enough in the players that are drafted that they tune in more.  
 

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3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Plus, I bet the average NFL career is far shorter than the average NHL career. Probably by a lot. 

The average NFL career is only 3 years. NHL is 5. 

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10 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

 

This is so stupid but then again this league has also done numerous stupid things so I won't even be surprised if this happens.

"Daly makes many of the arguments proponents have already discussed, including the success of the NFL draft and fans’ hunger for sports content." 

The draft will and should absolutely be a digital draft. The vast majority of the general public doesn't give a sh!t about watching the nhl draft. It's not some ratings draw and Daly is clueless if he thinks this would get even half of what the NFL draft draws. People would rather watch paint dry than watch the NHL draft. 

We also can get screwed royally here... 

"To make it as fair as possible, the league has suggested:

• For conditional trades, the league would propose solutions. The teams would have seven days to either reform the deal on terms acceptable to both, or accept the NHL’s idea.

• Using each team’s points percentage to determine the Order of Selection. (That’s under the current playoff format, so 16 teams would be out of the lottery and 15 would be in.)

• Changing the lottery format this season only — picking just one winner, and limiting any move-up to a maximum of four spots.

I can see that being hotly contested. The NHL suggested this idea because of complaints the lottery winner could also win the Stanley Cup. While the league considers that a total longshot, it is prepared to concede the point and prevent the occurrence.

One of Sportsnet’s smarter Insiders, Chris Johnston, detailed potential outcomes. Detroit would pick no lower than second. Ottawa (with San Jose’s top selection), could do no worse than three and four. New Jersey, Buffalo, Montreal and Chicago couldn’t jump above two, three, four and five, respectively."

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It sounds thoroughly unworkable.  I am sure that the league will go for it full throttle.  Do we ever expect anything less from the geniuses in the league office? 😆

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2 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

This is so stupid but then again this league has also done numerous stupid things so I won't even be surprised if this happens.

"Daly makes many of the arguments proponents have already discussed, including the success of the NFL draft and fans’ hunger for sports content." 

The draft will and should absolutely be a digital draft. The vast majority of the general public doesn't give a sh!t about watching the nhl draft. It's not some ratings draw and Daly is clueless if he thinks this would get even half of what the NFL draft draws. People would rather watch paint dry than watch the NHL draft. 

We also can get screwed royally here... 

"To make it as fair as possible, the league has suggested:

• For conditional trades, the league would propose solutions. The teams would have seven days to either reform the deal on terms acceptable to both, or accept the NHL’s idea.

• Using each team’s points percentage to determine the Order of Selection. (That’s under the current playoff format, so 16 teams would be out of the lottery and 15 would be in.)

• Changing the lottery format this season only — picking just one winner, and limiting any move-up to a maximum of four spots.

I can see that being hotly contested. The NHL suggested this idea because of complaints the lottery winner could also win the Stanley Cup. While the league considers that a total longshot, it is prepared to concede the point and prevent the occurrence.

One of Sportsnet’s smarter Insiders, Chris Johnston, detailed potential outcomes. Detroit would pick no lower than second. Ottawa (with San Jose’s top selection), could do no worse than three and four. New Jersey, Buffalo, Montreal and Chicago couldn’t jump above two, three, four and five, respectively."

I think this is more or less fine, except just keep the draft in late June instead of at the beginning of the month.  It may not be a ratings bonanza, but it at least can’t do anything but help the sport since nothing else is on.  

I’d also think that teams that are on the playoff bubble so far as conditional picks are concerned will want to give them up this year since there’s been less of an opportunity to do full scouting.

Bottom line is that no one has any idea when the season will start up again if at all and under what circumstances.  In the meantime there’s a event the league can hold while pretty much nothing else entertainment wise is going on.  

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16 minutes ago, Daniel said:

In the meantime there’s a event the league can hold while pretty much nothing else entertainment wise is going on.  

The ratings for the draft normally hit between 300-400k, they still probably wouldn't crack a million unless it was on NBC and people forget to change the channel lol

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14 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

The ratings for the draft normally hit between 300-400k, they still probably wouldn't crack a million unless it was on NBC and people forget to change the channel lol

If it’s an extra hundred thousand viewers, it’s something, and I’m one who is skeptical of almost all NHL attempts to compete with the NBA ratings and popularity-wise.  
 

But beyond whether it increases interest in the sport, I want to have something to watch sooner rather than later and would much rather not delay it in the hopes of there maybe being some bastardized playoff series being played in empty arenas.

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21 minutes ago, jagknife said:

I read on twitter last night the league is expected to announce a draft plan today or tomorrow. I’ll try to dig up the tweet when I get to work.

 

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Gonna be weird to have a draft before the season is finished (or even resumed), but it's good that they're keeping things in motion and as planned as best as possible, which will hopefully mean an easier time getting the season next year started on time, or close to it.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

And this shows how out of touch the NHL really is if they think they will even hit a million let alone half this amount...

"There is no doubt that the NHL was paying close attention to the NFL’s draft last week – a major success story that saw a whopping 15.6 million people tune in for just the first round." 

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Devils just sent out an email about getting a credit or a refund for this current seasons remaining games so that pretty much confirms fans won't be in the building if they end up playing them. They wouldn't be offering refunds this early if they still planned to have fans in the buildings. 

There's a few incentives if you roll the money over for next season or you can just get a refund. 

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1 hour ago, Satans Hockey said:

And this shows how out of touch the NHL really is if they think they will even hit a million let alone half this amount...

"There is no doubt that the NHL was paying close attention to the NFL’s draft last week – a major success story that saw a whopping 15.6 million people tune in for just the first round." 

How many somewhat above casual hockey fans are there in the United States, probably about a million.  The fact that no other sporting events will be on leads me to believe that you can expect a viewership of at least that amount. 

I don't see any reason not to do it in early June at this point.  All the prospect tournaments between now and December are cancelled, and who knows when the various junior leagues or European leagues are going to resume, or when you could do the combine, which pretty much means nothing anyway.  The only thing that teams might benefit from would be more time to do medicals, but I don't think there's a first round pick with injury concerns like a Nolan Patrick or Galchenyuk. 

The league's in a tough position, but I think it's making the right decision here.  Don't drag this out only to cancel the season by August anyway.

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