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Gary Thorne is a hack.  He went out of his way to cheerlead for the Avs in 2001 and for pretty much everyone but the Devils in 2003.  I swear his lips were permanently stapled to Bourque's rear in the 2001 finals.  Then you have the 2003 ECF game 7 call where he kept shouting about the stupid goal light not going on right away as the goal not being a goal when everyone else with even a single functioning eyeball could see it was a goal.  He literally wanted that to not count.

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Talk about a bygone era, we got two players as compensation for a team signing one of our guys who barely played hockey. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Talk about a bygone era, we got two players as compensation for a team signing one of our guys who barely played hockey. 

Some of those Group 1 FA deals were kinda nuts.  The arbitrator was supposed to award one package or the other as compensation (each team submitted one; the arbitrator couldn't take pieces from both and make up a new one...it was strictly A or B).

The Rangers signed Group 1 FA Adam Graves...his career numbers to that point were nothing that suggested he'd be as productive as he became with the Rangers (just 60 points in 217 GP).  I don't remember what the Oilers asked for as compensation, but the Rangers offered Troy Mallette, which based strictly on the numbers at that point in both of their careers was a fair offer.  That's what the arbitrator ruled...Sather (Oiler GM at the time) was furious.  Mallette would be traded to the Devils not too long after...I remember Mallette talking about how relieved he was, because Sather made it very clear how much he didn't want Mallette...and Troy said that it didn't take long for that feeling to become quite mutual.  

Then there was the Petr Nedved mess...he signed in-season with the Blues (in March 1994) and suited up for his new team before his old one (the Canucks) was awarded compensation.  One of those pieces (Craig Janney) would wind up being traded BACK to St. Louis after Vancouver had received its compensation, but that whole situation made the NHL look a bit clusterfvcked.  

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Was it 92 strike or 95 lockout they got rid of those type of deals?

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5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Was it 92 strike or 95 lockout they got rid of those type of deals?

Was still going on in 1994, so it must have been 1995.  

They were odd...such transactions basically wound up working out like trades, but as the Blues found out when they signed Shanahan, dipping your feet in the Group 1 waters could be risky as hell.  

The Blues final compensation offer was actually not too bad, really...they offered Rod Brind'Amour and Curtis Joseph (I think a pick or two as well).  One of Lou's beefs was that though both players showed promise, neither was proven yet (they had only been in the NHL for two seasons each).  Lou also argued that his team didn't need another goalie.  

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Was still going on in 1994, so it must have been 1995.  

They were odd...such transactions basically wound up working out like trades, but as the Blues found out when they signed Shanahan, dipping your feet in the Group 1 waters could be risky as hell.  

The Blues final compensation offer was actually not too bad, really...they offered Rod Brind'Amour and Curtis Joseph (I think a pick or two as well).  One of Lou's beefs was that though both players showed promise, neither was proven yet (they had only been in the NHL for two seasons each).  Lou also argued that his team didn't need another goalie.  

Love wondering what could have been if Lou accepted that offer.  For some reason I could see Joseph skipping town as fast as he could.  However, I think Rod would have been a nice addition.  Regardless, I still prefer how history actually went down in the end.

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34 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Love wondering what could have been if Lou accepted that offer.  For some reason I could see Joseph skipping town as fast as he could.  However, I think Rod would have been a nice addition.  Regardless, I still prefer how history actually went down in the end.

The ironic thing was people weren't sure at that time how durable Joseph would be long-term...in an era where big goalies like Burke were considered to be the future prototype for goalies, Joseph was seen as undersized (5' 11", 190 lbs).  Think he had missed some games due to injury during his first two years as well.

Of course, starting with his third season, he was a workhorse...he would start 60+ games 10 times in his career (including three 70+ game seasons), and would finish 6th on the all time regular-season games played list for goalies.

I don't think Lou wanted any part of CuJo...Lou knew that he had Brodeur up and coming (drafted him in 1990), and had enough other goalies in house.  He simply didn't need him.  

Rod would have been a fine addition for sure, but yeah, no issues with how it all turned out, heh heh.

One thing to remember about Brind'Amour though...though he went on to have a fine career, he was coming off a very disappointing sophomore campaign...I remember the Blues being kind of down on him, even though he was still very young.  I think in the arbitration hearing, Lou painted Rod as a player that the Blues didn't really want anymore anyway, so were they really giving up that much in their compensation proposal?  Kind of telling that CuJo stayed with the Blues for several more seasons...while Brind'Amour was dealt off to the Flyers.  

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Lou was a badass, turning down those two players was a boss move and quite obviously contributed to three Cups and a lot of success in the 90's/early 2000's. 

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5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Lou was a badass, turning down those two players was a boss move and quite obviously contributed to three Cups and a lot of success in the 90's/early 2000's. 

That wasn't even him at his most badass.  When Stevens was initially awarded, he was furious (had just built his dream house in St. Louis, had no reason to want to leave, etc), and he refused to report to the Devils.  Other GMs started badgering Lou about trading him, saying things like "You know he's never going to play for your franchise."  Lou basically told all of them to fvck off, that Stevens was HIS player now and there was no way that he was going to trade him for some package that was bound to be unfair.

Then his own players almost mutinied because Stevens was making a lot more money than many of them.  Lou basically squashed that too.  

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6 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

Love wondering what could have been if Lou accepted that offer.  For some reason I could see Joseph skipping town as fast as he could.  However, I think Rod would have been a nice addition.  Regardless, I still prefer how history actually went down in the end.

I’ll tell you what wouldn’t have happened: the Devils winning three Stanley Cups.

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6 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

That wasn't even him at his most badass.  When Stevens was initially awarded, he was furious (had just built his dream house in St. Louis, had no reason to want to leave, etc), and he refused to report to the Devils.  Other GMs started badgering Lou about trading him, saying things like "You know he's never going to play for your franchise."  Lou basically told all of them to fvck off, that Stevens was HIS player now and there was no way that he was going to trade him for some package that was bound to be unfair.

Then his own players almost mutinied because Stevens was making a lot more money than many of them.  Lou basically squashed that too.  

Very good points. I remember it well, the whole thing and even his first few.....and I mean few games, Stevens seemed really not into it. I'm probably off but that's how I seem to recall it

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

Very good points. I remember it well, the whole thing and even his first few.....and I mean few games, Stevens seemed really not into it. I'm probably off but that's how I seem to recall it

Stevens did try to fight the decision, but then had a sudden change of heart (maybe because he simply realized that what was done was done) and came in with the best attitude that he could have, given the circumstances.  But yeah, wouldn’t have surprised me if he was still shell-shocked for a bit.  

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10 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Stevens did try to fight the decision, but then had a sudden change of heart (maybe because he simply realized that what was done was done) and came in with the best attitude that he could have, given the circumstances.  But yeah, wouldn’t have surprised me if he was still shell-shocked for a bit.  

IIRC, I think the players that revolted on the Stevens decision was Muller, Daneyko and I think MacLean (I might be wrong on him).  Muller was immediately shipped off to MTL while I think Daneyko was a holdout for a little bit as well.

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8 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

IIRC, I think the players that revolted on the Stevens decision was Muller, Daneyko and I think MacLean (I might be wrong on him).  Muller was immediately shipped off to MTL while I think Daneyko was a holdout for a little bit as well.

It was a lot of guys (some more than others)...I remember Driver chirping as well and saying something to the effect of "A lot of guys aren't happy right now." 

Lou kind of did screw Muller a bit...apparently he had told Muller not to worry about his goal totals, and then when it came time to negotiate his contract, it was "But you only scored 19 goals this season."  Not like Lou couldn't be a d!ck when he really wanted to be.  

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On 5/20/2020 at 9:40 AM, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Very good article on the Athletic about the options to restart the season. None of them involve the Devil's which is unsurprising . 

The talk of a 24 team format with a 5 game round robin league has been talked about a lot. The Athletic article does a good job of showing why this would be incredibly unfair on teams in a playoff spot but would directly benefit three huge markets in terms of making the playoffs. 

Currently the Rangers, Habs and Blackhawks all have less than a 10% chance of making the playoffs (I think Montreal is actually nearly 0%). In the new format that jumps to 40% which is incredibly unfair. 

A 20 team format with a 4 game round robin before the playoffs seems far fairer to me. 

Apparently,  the players association is having a 7:00 conference call tonight about this format 

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1 hour ago, EdgeControl said:

Apparently,  the players association is having a 7:00 conference call tonight about this format 

Wonderful. Love how no one seems to care about de-valuing what it means to win the Stanley Cup. The asterisk will be so big it’ll take up half of the winning team’s engraving. 

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3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

Wonderful. Love how no one seems to care about de-valuing what it means to win the Stanley Cup. The asterisk will be so big it’ll take up half of the winning team’s engraving. 

Bro, there's money to be made

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I'm not upset or interested either way since we aren't in. I'd definitely watch out of habit but if they don't play I don't care either. 

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8 hours ago, Crisis said:

Bro, there's money to be made

Not that much with no fans. But whatever, it’s never about the actual sanctity of the sport when you get down to brass tax.

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1 hour ago, Guadana said:

If devils had won pens game...

It's funny, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs and with 14 games left the chances of us sneaking in were extremely slim, but of course the world would get turned upside down and then when the season resumes they institute a 24 team playoff and it just so happens that we're tied for 25th place in the league. 

I'm not happy about this 24-team format, but I'll take hockey back because the sport is great even if it's not in the format that we love the most.

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1 minute ago, NJDfan1711 said:

It's funny, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs and with 14 games left the chances of us sneaking in were extremely slim, but of course the world would get turned upside down and then when the season resumes they institute a 24 team playoff and it just so happens that we're tied for 25th place in the league. 

I'm not happy about this 24-team format, but I'll take hockey back because the sport is great even if it's not in the format that we love the most.

All this will do is serve to entertain bored people for a month. I won’t consider whoever wins a legit Cup champion. Giant asterisk.

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With this proposed 24-team playoff format, has there been any word on the implications of conditional draft picks?

If the Coyotes beat the Preds in what may be some kind of best-of-5 play-in series, does that count as winning a playoff round and thus turning the 2021 3rd rounder into a 2nd?

Vancouver makes the cut here, does that technically mean they are in the playoffs and thus we get their 2020 1st rounder?

Would think the answer to these would be "yes" but who knows, maybe the league will decide these aforementioned playoff parameters only kick in once we reach the traditional round of 16 teams?

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