Jump to content

NHL: 24 team playoffs soon. Devil's season is over


Satans Hockey

Recommended Posts

22 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah you have to be willingly biased to not see Iginla as a no-brainer. He did everything. Amazing leader, he scored big goals, he produced, he fought, he did it all. 

Definition of a hockey player. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

Oh lord you totally pulled a Karen and wanted to speak with the manager there lolol 

They literally had a letters section for fans to write in with their thoughts/comments...

I wasn’t complaining about my Starbucks order being messed up. :P

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The knock against Turgeon has always been the era he played in, and the lack of individual hardware (one Lady Byng) and no Cups.  I think some see his one monster year (58 G and 74 A in 1992-93, which saw a lot of monster years...like Mogilny and Selanne's 76-goal seasons...14 players managed 50+ goals that season) and think that's blowing up his sample a bit.  

Yeah he put up a hell of a lot of points not to get in, but I guess if he ever makes it, then cases start to be made for other Live Puck guys (like Bernie Nicholls), whose numbers look a lot better now than they did back then.  

I'm big on Pierre Turgeon getting in the Hall (I've mentioned it before in this thread) because he was a supreme talent who produced. He was great in Buffalo and on Long Island and very good in St. Louis. He passes the "eye test," too, know what I mean? Great offensive player.

I think Daniel Alfredsson is a Hall of Famer, too. Elias was such a terrific two-way player, but I think he falls a bit short. Just a bit. We all know how good he was.

Iginla, what can you say? A premier power forward of his time. I think he was better than Brendan Shanahan.

Edited by Jerrydevil
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Jerrydevil said:

Tomorrow (the 25 year anniversary of the Cup clinching win over Detroit), MSG Plus is airing all 4 clinching series games from the 1995 playoffs.

That Cup-clinching game was half a lifetime ago for me...quite literally.  How did 25 years go by so damned fast?!

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Jerrydevil said:

I'm big on Pierre Turgeon getting in the Hall (I've mentioned it before in this thread) because he was a supreme talent who produced. He was great in Buffalo and on Long Island and very good in St. Louis. He passes the "eye test," too, know what I mean? Great offensive player.

I think Daniel Alfredsson is a Hall of Famer, too. Elias was such a terrific two-way player, but I think he falls a bit short. Just a bit. We all know how good he was.

Iginla, what can you say? A premier power forward of his time. I think he was better than Brendan Shanahan.

I’m definitely not against the idea of Turgeon getting in at some point.  Sure, he played a nice chunk of his career during Live Puck, but it’s not like tons of guys during that era finished with 1327 points.  He’s 32nd on the all-time list...the only two guys ahead of him who aren’t already enshrined are Jaromir Jagr and Joe Thornton...and both of those guys are obviously shoo-ins once they become eligible.  

Like I said previously, you will probably get some “Then why not Nichols and some other guys?” kinds of arguments...but so be it.  

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Jerrydevil said:

I'm Elias was such a terrific two-way player, but I think he falls a bit short. Just a bit. We all know how good he was.

I think this might be part of it. We all see Elias differently than non-Devils fans do. The fan in us thinks he should be in. If we went strictly by numbers, or if he played for another team, we would likely think more critically about him. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

That Cup-clinching game was half a lifetime ago for me...quite literally.  How did 25 years go by so damned fast?!

My buddy sent me a picture of him wearing a 92 pens championship shirt he bought on ebay, I told him I still have a 03 finals shirt that fits that i bought at the parade. that one was half a lifetime ago for me. I remember the 95 cup cause I watched the tape the next day, had a sleep over at my friend's for an end of school year party and they only wanted to watch a little of the game. Saw Broten and Federov and then nothing until the next morning

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I’m definitely not against the idea of Turgeon getting in at some point.  Sure, he played a nice chunk of his career during Live Puck, but it’s not like tons of guys during that era finished with 1327 points.  He’s 32nd on the all-time list...the only two guys ahead of him who aren’t already enshrined are Jaromir Jagr and Joe Thornton...and both of those guys are obviously shoo-ins once they become eligible.  

Like I said previously, you will probably get some “Then why not Nichols and some other guys?” kinds of arguments...but so be it. 

 

You will get the "why not Nicholls" arguments, for sure. I think Turgeon was a superior player to Bernie Nicholls, by the way. They both were playmakers first and foremost, but Turgeon was a cut above. I remember his Islander years. He was incredible and was truly that team's superstar.

No championships for Turgeon, and he was injured during the Isles' surprise run in 1993. That, and the fact that there were a lot of great players in the '90s, hurts him. But I just don't see a huge difference between him and, say, Mats Sundin.

Edited by Jerrydevil
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

That Cup-clinching game was half a lifetime ago for me...quite literally.  How did 25 years go by so damned fast?!

You can say THAT again. Happy birthday by the way (the website said you turned 50). I also turn 50 this year.

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Iginla = first ballot HOFer.

I love Elias. Maybe my all-time favorite Devils player. I went out and bought a new Elias jersey when he re-upped with the Devils instead of the Rangers, complete with the captain's C on the shoulder. I have a hard time arguing for his inclusion into the HOF at this point, though. I completely understand the arguments in favor of putting him in (look at the system in which he played, look at the roles he was tasked with handling, etc.) but I just don't think he had enough "dominant" seasons where he popped off the page/screen to make him stick out to non-Devils fans. His age 22 - 37 seasons (which I think someone else pointed out earlier) were .88 points per game, which is excellent given the time period, but he was so very balanced that he doesn't stand out to people as one thing or another: his stats don't scream "goal scorer," or "setup man," but rather, "I can do it all and I'll excel at doing everything in a really damn good way." I don't think that pushes him across the line right now. Perhaps if advanced stats & metrics were/are able to cast his achievements in a different light, this is conversation takes a turn.

It's funny, my gut reaction was, "Alfredsson isn't a HOFer." Then I just went and did the same activity for his stats, and from 23 - 37 he averaged just under a point per game for over a thousand games, and he really was the driving offensive force for the Senators. His lines with Spezza and Hossa/Heatley were so damn dominant at times. I still remember the ass-kicking that line handed out to the Devils at Opening Night at the Prudential Center. Woof. From the '01-'02 season to the '09-'10 season, he was excellent nearly every game. I still don't think of him as a Hall of Fame player, but if he's voted in, I get it. Not as good defensively as Elias (to my recollection, anyway) but he could flat-out score and generate offense. 

Alfredsson would also be the first "true Senator" in the HOF, because right now it's just Hasek as far as OTT players go.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Announcement has been made.  Here is your 2020 HHOF Class:

Marian Hossa

Jerome Iginla

Kevin Lowe

Kim St. Pierre

Doug Wilson

Ken Holland

Pretty good class, all things considered.... Little sketchy on Lowe and Wilson though.

Edited by MadDog2020
Link to comment
Share on other sites

43 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Pretty good class, all things considered.... Little sketchy on Lowe and Wilson though.

Doug Wilson is Pierre Turgeon on defense, LOL! Awesome player, overshadowed by greats Bourque, Robinson, MacInnis, Coffey, Potvin. I just checked to see if he won a Norris Trophy, and he did win one.

I'll always remember him as one of the last NHL players to not wear a helmet.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Always a hoot seeing hockey players just wearing their jerseys, no equipment underneath, no full uniform, no helmet, no skates...really gives them that "Could be one of us" vibe, in an awesome way. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, HellOnICE said:

If Elias was in a bigger city, likely would get in. I do think also - I would hope Doc would be the one to push for Patrik -is that look at the points he put up WITH THE DEVILS of all teams. He sacrificed a lot, playing two-way here for many years.

Not this early in his eligibility.  I do think he squeaks in eventually though (though Alfredsson not getting in yet makes me wonder how long we'll have to wait.  Feels like it's going to be a while).    

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, insanity_gallops said:

Iginla = first ballot HOFer.

I love Elias. Maybe my all-time favorite Devils player. I went out and bought a new Elias jersey when he re-upped with the Devils instead of the Rangers, complete with the captain's C on the shoulder. I have a hard time arguing for his inclusion into the HOF at this point, though. I completely understand the arguments in favor of putting him in (look at the system in which he played, look at the roles he was tasked with handling, etc.) but I just don't think he had enough "dominant" seasons where he popped off the page/screen to make him stick out to non-Devils fans. His age 22 - 37 seasons (which I think someone else pointed out earlier) were .88 points per game, which is excellent given the time period, but he was so very balanced that he doesn't stand out to people as one thing or another: his stats don't scream "goal scorer," or "setup man," but rather, "I can do it all and I'll excel at doing everything in a really damn good way." I don't think that pushes him across the line right now. Perhaps if advanced stats & metrics were/are able to cast his achievements in a different light, this is conversation takes a turn.

It's funny, my gut reaction was, "Alfredsson isn't a HOFer." Then I just went and did the same activity for his stats, and from 23 - 37 he averaged just under a point per game for over a thousand games, and he really was the driving offensive force for the Senators. His lines with Spezza and Hossa/Heatley were so damn dominant at times. I still remember the ass-kicking that line handed out to the Devils at Opening Night at the Prudential Center. Woof. From the '01-'02 season to the '09-'10 season, he was excellent nearly every game. I still don't think of him as a Hall of Fame player, but if he's voted in, I get it. Not as good defensively as Elias (to my recollection, anyway) but he could flat-out score and generate offense. 

Alfredsson would also be the first "true Senator" in the HOF, because right now it's just Hasek as far as OTT players go.

The bolded was me (he put up 0.90 PPG for this stretch BTW)...I was looking at what I call Elias' "meat" years...basically lopping off his development and decline seasons, which weren't really reflective of the player he was in his prime.  

Yeah, once we put aside any bias that we have toward Elias (not to mention that we love the guy), he really is the perfect borderline case...not getting in during his second year of eligibility shouldn't be seen as him being unfairly snubbed.

I didn't watch nearly enough of Alfredsson game in and game out during his career, but based purely on his numbers (and a 10-year stretch where he put 782 points in 731 games...expand it out a little (age 24-37), and you get 931 points in 920 GP in a 13-year stretch...that's a long chunk of seasons to manage better than a PPG in the Dead Puck Era, and he was a +173 in those 13 seasons to boot), I can't really argue that Elias should go in ahead of him.  And the times that I did see Alfredsson, I knew I was watching a terrific player.  I know guys get docked for not winning championships, but at the same time, I'm not sure how fair that is.  Alfredsson had 100 points in 118 playoff games with the Sens...was their failure to win a Cup while he was there all on him?  

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.