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2021 Seattle Expansion Draft


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56 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

That's probably the biggest point that we differ on - I just don't see us being able to trade him for assets worth very much at all. Of course we don't know what next season will bring in terms of his performance and whether or not his value goes up (or, if it's possible, down), but if things stay the same, what would he fetch back in a trade? A low pick and a journeyman defenseman?  This team doesn't need another Siegenthaler.   I'd much rather us cut ties with him now and use the cap savings to overpay for this offseason's top free agent defenseman. Yeah, we swung and missed when we acquired Subban a couple years ago - that doesn't mean you stop trying. 

I'm not married to Butcher by any means and I'll be the first to say that he's been a bit of a disappointment the last couple seasons, but he's got more upside than Subban does at this point in his career, so between the two I just don't see why you would keep PK. 

Subban's contract will not hold the Devils back from overpaying a top FA dman.

Also PK is way more reliable than Butcher in the d-zone, and it's not even close.  Just look at their ice time.  PK led the team and Butcher was scratched half the season.

It just makes no sense to me to force out a player in a position we desperately need to fill.  He's not a liability.  He isn't blocking anyone coming up.  His contract isn't preventing the team from signing a free agent.  And the Devils can turn him into at least a draft pick.

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2 hours ago, Crisis said:

Subban's contract will not hold the Devils back from overpaying a top FA dman.

Also PK is way more reliable than Butcher in the d-zone, and it's not even close.  Just look at their ice time.  PK led the team and Butcher was scratched half the season.

It just makes no sense to me to force out a player in a position we desperately need to fill.  He's not a liability.  He isn't blocking anyone coming up.  His contract isn't preventing the team from signing a free agent.  And the Devils can turn him into at least a draft pick.

100%, and very well stated. 

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45 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah but that whole angle is not taking my feelings into considerations at all.

WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS?!?

 

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8 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah but that whole angle is not taking my feelings into considerations at all.

WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS?!?

I think he's just looking at it from a contract $ efficiency standpoint.

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On 5/19/2021 at 7:44 AM, Mitico12 said:

Looking at it straight-up this way, yes, seems like an unfair advantage for Vegas.  But, let's break it down -  each club benefited financially from Vegas' (and now Seattle's) entry into the league - this to the tune of like $20 million per team in distributed funds derived from the entry fees paid.

So - if you're Vegas or Seattle - you're like..."Screw that - I paid to have these expansion rules favor my team - so I'm not feeling sorry for anyone" $600 million is a lot of money to enter a team into competition.  That's just a fee to enter the league.  That's not talking about brick and mortar, logistical, human resource costs - which can drive that amount up another 50%.

Imagine paying the $600 million expansion fee, and being as dreary as the Senators or Sharks in their expansion years.  Not happening. 

It benefits the league having a competitive team right off the bat, and it also helps guarantee a generous and quicker return-on-investment to the ownership group of the new franchise.

It's all calculated my friends.

But doesn’t this all apply to all the expansion teams?  They all paid expansion fees and none of them got the treatment that Vegas has gotten.  You could argue that it is because of how much Vegas paid, but that seems like a weak argument.  Taking into account inflation and the value of teams in the NHL I would bet that Vegas paid what was essentially a fair price compared to earlier expansion teams.  Sure, $600 million is a lot of money (it’s more than I usually have in my wallet 😀) but if that’s the entry price then that’s the price, right?  

The same applies with the other expenses.  Every other expansion team needed to find a stadium, hire staff, etc., right.  But if you compare what has happened to Vegas with every earlier expansion the NHL had it really is a sad sort of favoritism.  I can’t say why, but it really is.  When all the teams were added in the ‘70s every team that came before didn’t get to skip having to defend talent (at least not that I am aware, I’m open to being corrected) and the talent available were mostly scrubs.  

I am sure you’re right that this is calculated, on that we most certainly agree.  I’m just not sure I like the equations I am seeing.  

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On 5/27/2021 at 3:01 PM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Looks like they did something similar at Kemper...basically raised the playing surface to the bottom of the upper deck.  Yeah I knew that Maple Leaf Gardens was also renovated, but never looked up any pics of the results.  Love that there’s still a rink on the premises.

@DM84 yeah 70s wasn’t a great time for a lot of things American engineering, lol.  Cars didn’t fare much better.  I didn’t know about the Hartford Civic Center roof collapse...yikes.  I do know that Kemper’s design was considered very cutting-edge for that time...the exterior had a very futuristic look for the 70s.

I’m sorry, did someone say Pinto?

 

 

 

BOOM!

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9 hours ago, jagknife said:

Landeskog is also going to be exposed, surprised no one traded for his rights… yet

would be beyond stupid to trade for a UFA’s rights to protect him. 

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Just now, Crisis said:

Well now that Subban is exposed, I hope Seattle doesn't take him. 

The number of big names on the exposure list is incredible.

sure some have bad deals but others still have talent

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Subban and Johnsson exposed. Surprised they protected Bastian over Johnsson, but that tells me the team didn’t see a top-6 role for Johnsson this year and that has me excited.

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1 minute ago, jagknife said:

The number of big names on the exposure list is incredible.

sure some have bad deals but others still have talent

Gourde from Tampa being exposed is gonna be a tough loss for them. I think Seattle takes him, unless Brisbois cuts a deal with Francis.

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Just now, MB3 said:

Subban and Johnsson exposed. Surprised they protected Bastian over Johnsson, but that tells me the team didn’t see a top-6 role for Johnsson this year and that has me excited.

Exposing your Johnsson can only get you into trouble these days. 

Just now, MadDog2020 said:

Gourde from Tampa being exposed is gonna be a tough loss for them. I think Seattle takes him.

That should be a definite. 

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Just now, Crisis said:

I think Tampa loses Palat

I guess that’s the problem of being such a stacked team at the time of an expansion draft, you’re going to lose someone good. 

Just now, jagknife said:

The Rangers protected Kevin Rooney.

Instead of who? Someone who has been absent NINE TIMES??

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Just now, jagknife said:


 

Still don’t get exposing Subban, but it is what it is I guess. The rest, you had no choices really. 

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