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25 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

For what it’s worth I saw Todd Cordell also predicted it will be Bastian…

#savethesuperfriends

This dude who did the mock I posted didn’t even mention that Subban was unprotected, which is a big oversight. But yeah, I think they take Bastian too- I REALLY hope I’m wrong and they take Johnsson instead.

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New Jersey Devils

Notable players exposed: F Nathan Bastian, F Andreas Johnsson, D Will Butcher, D Connor Carrick*, D Ryan Murray*, D P.K. Subban

Prediction: Johnsson. Yes, Subban is available, but his decline as a marquee NHL defenseman has been steep, and the Kraken don't need the veteran's $9 million on the books, even if it's only for 2021-22. Johnsson, meanwhile, is a tenacious winger, and Seattle head coach Dave Hakstol knows him well from their time together in Toronto. He jumps off the page as a breakout candidate.

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34 minutes ago, Brewskies said:

New Jersey Devils

Notable players exposed: F Nathan Bastian, F Andreas Johnsson, D Will Butcher, D Connor Carrick*, D Ryan Murray*, D P.K. Subban

Prediction: Johnsson. Yes, Subban is available, but his decline as a marquee NHL defenseman has been steep, and the Kraken don't need the veteran's $9 million on the books, even if it's only for 2021-22. Johnsson, meanwhile, is a tenacious winger, and Seattle head coach Dave Hakstol knows him well from their time together in Toronto. He jumps off the page as a breakout candidate.

ok, I'll give who's prediction is this?

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I think they are going to take Johnsson, which is probably best case scenario for us.  Bastian is a close second.  I don't think they go near PK, although they could carry him for 1/2 a season and flip him at the deadline for picks or flip him now and retain 1/2 his salary for a pick.  I just don't think there is a big enough market for him out there to make it worth Seattle's effort. 

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23 minutes ago, Chuck the Duck said:

I think they are going to take Johnsson, which is probably best case scenario for us.  Bastian is a close second.  I don't think they go near PK, although they could carry him for 1/2 a season and flip him at the deadline for picks or flip him now and retain 1/2 his salary for a pick.  I just don't think there is a big enough market for him out there to make it worth Seattle's effort. 

I thought PK was a lock until I saw everyone else’s lists. Plenty of salary out there for them to meet the cap floor. 

Johnsson makes the most sense, you have to assume last season was the fluke and he’ll be much better this year. 

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8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I thought PK was a lock until I saw everyone else’s lists. Plenty of salary out there for them to meet the cap floor. 

Johnsson makes the most sense, you have to assume last season was the fluke and he’ll be much better this year. 

Johnsson's career production basically came from one freakish streak...a 38-game stretch in 2018-19, where he somehow potted 18 goals and added 15 assists (shot 25% for this run).  The rest of his career has seen him put up 17 G and 28 A in 137 GP.  And Toronto thought so much of that 2018-19 big run that they traded him for a total "if" kind of player just two seasons after.

That run of course buoys his 2018-19 season numbers (20 goals), so he'll live off that for a while, in terms of teams thinking there's a gold mine waiting to be discovered.  But it looks like that burst of offense was the real fluke.  I agree that he should be more productive than last year, but by how much?  Maybe 0.4 points per game, instead of the roughly 0.2 he managed last season?  I just wouldn't bet on him becoming much of an offensive force.

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25 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Johnsson makes the most sense, you have to assume last season was the fluke and he’ll be much better this year. 

I certainly hope that’s the case if Seattle doesn’t take him.

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Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Johnsson's career production basically came from one freakish streak...a 38-game stretch in 2018-19, where he somehow potted 18 goals and added 15 assists (shot 25% for this run).  The rest of his career has seen him put up 17 G and 28 A in 137 GP.  And Toronto thought so much of that 2018-19 big run that they traded him for a total "if" kind of player just two seasons after.

That run of course buoys his 2018-19 season numbers (20 goals), so he'll live off that for a while, in terms of teams thinking there's a gold mine waiting to be discovered.  But it looks like that burst of offense was the real fluke.  I agree that he should be more productive than last year, but by how much?  Maybe 0.4 points per game, instead of the roughly 0.2 he managed last season?  I just wouldn't bet on him becoming much of an offensive force.

You shouldn’t have typed that out in case Seattle is reading this. 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

You shouldn’t have typed that out in case Seattle is reading this. 

I do think "But he scored 20 goals in 2018-19" will buy him some chances regardless...his age helps too (not yet 27).  There's going to be at least two teams that will take a "It won't cost much to get him and we'll able to get more out of him" approach.  I can understand Seattle thinking he could be a solid pickup w/upside.

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3 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I do think "But he scored 20 goals in 2018-19" will buy him some chances regardless...his age helps too (not yet 27).  There's going to be at least two teams that will take a "It won't cost much to get him and we'll able to get more out of him" approach.  I can understand Seattle thinking he could be a solid pickup w/upside.

Everyone says they are taking Bastian. I know I shouldn’t care about losing a somewhat borderline 4th liner, but he and McLeod together are something. 

That said, there isn’t anyone we protected that I would have left unprotected in favor of Bastian. 

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7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Everyone says they are taking Bastian. I know I shouldn’t care about losing a somewhat borderline 4th liner, but he and McLeod together are something. 

That said, there isn’t anyone we protected that I would have left unprotected in favor of Bastian. 

yeah the Bastian / McLeod connection is the main reason i'd be really bummed about losing him. Cause players like him are not that hard to find around the league really and they don't go for too much money either

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6 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Everyone says they are taking Bastian. I know I shouldn’t care about losing a somewhat borderline 4th liner, but he and McLeod together are something. 

That said, there isn’t anyone we protected that I would have left unprotected in favor of Bastian. 

There's two reasons I would hate to lose Bastian.  You stated the first one...he seems to have some chemistry with McLeod.

The second one is for purely selfish reasons...my RR GW is a Bastian.  I'd still wear it regardless, but a lot more fun wearing it if he's still here.

And I agree, can't really make a case over why he should've been protected over someone else.

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Are you allowed to trade say, a draft pick or picks to Sea for them not to choose someone from your unprotected list? I suppose it tips your hand and they could ask for more, but is that legal? Is that what 'future considerations' is?

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They have to take someone but you can send a pick if they promise to take a specific player who you're not concerned about protecting.   Several teams did that with Vegas and it didn't work out well for many of them.   See Columbus.  

30 minutes ago, eldon said:

Are you allowed to trade say, a draft pick or picks to Sea for them not to choose someone from your unprotected list? I suppose it tips your hand and they could ask for more, but is that legal? Is that what 'future considerations' is?

 

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I find it positively ridiculous that signing an unrestricted free agent means that Florida now doesn’t have to give up any other players. 

NHL should redefine the phrase, because that’s not what unrestricted means.

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11 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I find it positively ridiculous that signing an unrestricted free agent means that Florida now doesn’t have to give up any other players. 

NHL should redefine the phrase, because that’s not what unrestricted means.

Right, they’re giving up someone they have rights to for a week following the expansion draft. I don’t see how that makes any sense. 

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47 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I find it positively ridiculous that signing an unrestricted free agent means that Florida now doesn’t have to give up any other players. 

NHL should redefine the phrase, because that’s not what unrestricted means.

Yeah really cause they were going to lose him anyway probably.

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8 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah really cause they were going to lose him anyway probably.

they already have 2 other goalies with Bob and Knight. it’s a ridiculous rule

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