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4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

@Brewskies, this is not a popular high-profile UFA destination.  Never has been.  Devils have to trade for bigger name players who are already under contract (like they did for Hall and later Subban) or for young RFAs to be, that they can re-sign (like they did with Palms).

Shero tried to be as creative as he could be with limited resources, and made his share of “makes sense” deals (like MoJo) but didn’t get the breaks.  Also don’t forget how much Cory’s game deserting him (and his contract) was an absolute killer.

CR, your reference to this not being a high profile destination the Rangers and the Flyers don't seem to have a problem. What was your thought? We have New York City. Maybe it is because the Devils don't get the same press and have a smaller fan base.

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i will donate $5 to the website if you literally never do this again. 

Dare I say he’s.... jacked? 🤪

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58 minutes ago, Brewskies said:

Just curious, your reference to the deal with MoJo, what do you think about the deal, and was it the signing or the sale to the Boston Bruins?

Acquiring him made plenty of sense...it was another Palms-type deal (a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a solid NHLer).  MoJo was coming off three solid NHL seasons, and had just turned in his best year...and had also not missed many games in the four seasons leading up to the trade.  Roughly 50 points per 82 GP seemed like a reasonable expectation.  

Unfortunately, you saw how it went...the deal simply didn’t work out. Thought Shero did a terrific job to get a 2nd and 4th round pick back for him...I would’ve been thrilled with just a second-rounder.  

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4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Acquiring him made plenty of sense...it was another Palms-type deal (a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a solid NHLer).  MoJo was coming off three solid NHL seasons, and had just turned in his best year...and had also not missed many games in the four seasons leading up to the trade.  Roughly 50 points per 82 GP seemed like a reasonable expectation.  

Unfortunately, you saw how it went...the deal simply didn’t work out. Thought Shero did a terrific job to get a 2nd and 4th round pick back for him...I would’ve been thrilled with just a second-rounder.  

He showed what he could do with talented linemates in Boston. They loved him in the run to the cup final but couldn't afford to keep him. Thanks for the reply.

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5 hours ago, Brewskies said:

He showed what he could do with talented linemates in Boston. They loved him in the run to the cup final but couldn't afford to keep him. Thanks for the reply.

The Bruins probably dodged a bullet when they couldn’t re-sign him...Johansson is pretty inconsistent now, and tends to miss games.  He turned out to be a solid rental for them at least.  And despite MoJo not doing a whole lot here, Shero was somehow able to get back something close to what he gave up to bring him in.  I think Shero acquired him with the plan of keeping him, but was worried that with the sudden injuries (including that nasty concussion...fvcking rat-faced Marchand), that MoJo was going to be damaged goods going forward.  

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7 hours ago, Brewskies said:

CR, your reference to this not being a high profile destination the Rangers and the Flyers don't seem to have a problem. What was your thought? We have New York City. Maybe it is because the Devils don't get the same press and have a smaller fan base.

New Jersey is still not New York. It might be geographically close, but those who think New York is a big draw don’t say “man, I wish I could play next to all of that”. If New York is important to you, you want to be IN it, not near it. 

Same deal with Philadelphia. 

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3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

New Jersey is still not New York. It might be geographically close, but those who think New York is a big draw don’t say “man, I wish I could play next to all of that”. If New York is important to you, you want to be IN it, not near it. 

Same deal with Philadelphia. 

Agree about NY but pretty sure the vast majority of Flyers actually live in NJ

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46 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

Agree about NY but pretty sure the vast majority of Flyers actually live in NJ

Admittedly I have no idea about where the Flyers players live.

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7 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

New Jersey is still not New York. It might be geographically close, but those who think New York is a big draw don’t say “man, I wish I could play next to all of that”. If New York is important to you, you want to be IN it, not near it. 

Same deal with Philadelphia. 

I love our Devils, and I hate the Rangers but..

You guys (not you directly @mfitz804) have to acknowledge that there's a major difference between living and playing in Manhattan versus living in Hoboken and playing in Newark.  Similarly with Philly - tons more to do around the arena and cooler places to live nearby downtown.  

Still wish they had picked somewhere other than Newark for the arena.

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well i just updated the rosters in NHL21 and something beautiful happened.

PK is no longer the default player you see when you're selecting teams. HELLO NICO!!!

I really don't play often, but when i do its cause i want to have fun for like 15 minutes... well a portion of that fun is taken away when im reminded right away that Subban is on our team

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31 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

well i just updated the rosters in NHL21 and something beautiful happened.

PK is no longer the default player you see when you're selecting teams. HELLO NICO!!!

I really don't play often, but when i do its cause i want to have fun for like 15 minutes... well a portion of that fun is taken away when im reminded right away that Subban is on our team

Stop me if I'm wrong, especially since I played 21 the first few weekends and that was about it, but most teams default to their Captain, right?

Except obviously when they dont have one and it picks the biggest personality on the team, clearly 😉

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2 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

I love our Devils, and I hate the Rangers but..

You guys (not you directly @mfitz804) have to acknowledge that there's a major difference between living and playing in Manhattan versus living in Hoboken and playing in Newark.  Similarly with Philly - tons more to do around the arena and cooler places to live nearby downtown.  

Still wish they had picked somewhere other than Newark for the arena.

I think it goes beyond that. If New York is the draw to a certain player, that guy wants to play in New York, not adjacent to New York. 

I don’t think it’s important to everyone, but those guys who are excited by “the big city” want to be in the big city. It’s just common sense. 

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1 hour ago, jagknife said:

Stop me if I'm wrong, especially since I played 21 the first few weekends and that was about it, but most teams default to their Captain, right?

Except obviously when they dont have one and it picks the biggest personality on the team, clearly 😉

It defaults to the highest rated player, which is usually the captain. Unfortunately, PK was the highest rated Devil before the last update. I'd assume Nico and a few others are above him but EA seems to rate veteran players based on their past and not the present

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10 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

It defaults to the highest rated player, which is usually the captain. Unfortunately, PK was the highest rated Devil before the last update. I'd assume Nico and a few others are above him but EA seems to rate veteran players based on their past and not the present

It’s almost like it’s not even real at all. 

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11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s almost like it’s not even real at all. 

I think a lot of people rate players based on their past as opposed to their present. GMs sure seem to

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15 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The Bruins probably dodged a bullet when they couldn’t re-sign him...Johansson is pretty inconsistent now, and tends to miss games.  He turned out to be a solid rental for them at least.  And despite MoJo not doing a whole lot here, Shero was somehow able to get back something close to what he gave up to bring him in.  I think Shero acquired him with the plan of keeping him, but was worried that with the sudden injuries (including that nasty concussion...fvcking rat-faced Marchand), that MoJo was going to be damaged goods going forward.  

Yes, after he left Boston he had playing problems. I never investigated what was the cause. I think you are correct about Shero's thinking process. Injuries cause problems some lingering. He didn't cost the Devils much, if at all, because of Shero deal making. Hockey is a funny game. Look at Taylor Hall, in Buffalo 12 points 19 games only 1 goal, remember his year with the Devils, then nothing since. Is this a result of injuries? I enjoy your conversations, thank you. I am ill so sometimes I am slow to respond other times I get attitude. Later

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15 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

New Jersey is still not New York. It might be geographically close, but those who think New York is a big draw don’t say “man, I wish I could play next to all of that”. If New York is important to you, you want to be IN it, not near it. 

Same deal with Philadelphia. 

Good point, but being close is OK. Players live in Hoboken playing in the City or Newark. They party when they could in NYC. Philly is another story further away. Play in Philly, live in PA or just outside in PA for tax reasons vs across the river in NJ. Newark people don't go to Philadelphia they go to NYC when they can party unless special situation. Later

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Another bad game, poorly played, and special team breakdowns. The Islanders are a tough team to play against. Look what happens to Boston when they play them. But that can't excuse the poor play lately. Either the talent is lacking or it is the coaching. I am beginning to think it is coaching and more than one coach like just the special team's coach.  

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22 minutes ago, Brewskies said:

Another bad game, poorly played, and special team breakdowns. The Islanders are a tough team to play against. Look what happens to Boston when they play them. But that can't excuse the poor play lately. Either the talent is lacking or it is the coaching. I am beginning to think it is coaching and more than one coach like just the special team's coach.  

It’s both. We are sorely lacking finishers (Miles Wood is leading the team in goals ffs), and the PP has been horrendous. Which has to fall at least partially on Recchi. 

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

It’s both. We are sorely lacking finishers (Miles Wood is leading the team in goals ffs), and the PP has been horrendous. Which has to fall at least partially on Recchi. 

I'm with you. The young guys are the only ones contributing it seems. I've loved Ruff so far though. I like how he trusts and manages the young guys. The special teams need a boost for sure though.

 

Btw, love your profile pic man. Saw the Devils IG post earlier this week and almost died when I saw that Seves drawing hahah

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6 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

It’s both. We are sorely lacking finishers (Miles Wood is leading the team in goals ffs), and the PP has been horrendous. Which has to fall at least partially on Recchi. 

Yeah, the talent isn't there but that is not the problem for not being ready to play. That's Ruff. Nasteddine is a problem with the special teams and IMO Recchi also for game play. Being slow while playing is on the coaches.

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7 minutes ago, Brewskies said:

Yeah, the talent isn't there but that is not the problem for not being ready to play. That's Ruff. Nasteddine is a problem with the special teams and IMO Recchi also for game play. Being slow while playing is on the coaches.

The PK is looking much better the last few games, so I’m not sure Nas is really at fault right now. The PP has been a bigger problem lately. 

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4 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

The PK is looking much better the last few games, so I’m not sure Nas is really at fault right now. The PP has been a bigger problem lately. 

I agree however is the PK stable, time will tell, more than a few games are needed to determine that.

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9 hours ago, Nicomo said:

It’s both. We are sorely lacking finishers (Miles Wood is leading the team in goals ffs), and the PP has been horrendous. Which has to fall at least partially on Recchi. 

We just don't have top NHL goal scorers on this team. As good as we think our Young first rounders can become, at this point theyre barely in the top 75 of the league... No consistency 

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32 minutes ago, EdgeControl said:

We just don't have top NHL goal scorers on this team. As good as we think our Young first rounders can become, at this point theyre barely in the top 75 of the league... No consistency 

Yup, its a huge problem. I think I've made the point that flashy skating and passing don't get the job done. So far, we haven't found anyone who can consistently take the fancy skating and passing and turn it into actual goals (as opposed to expected goals). 

28th in the league in Goals For at the moment. 24th in Goals Against.

We have multiple problems.

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We all knew we had those problems though. What I expected this season was progress from the young guys, and so far, I've definitely seen some progress, even if the end result isn't always there. That's also on the Vets.

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