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Just now, devlman said:

I’m going to hold the candle for McLeod. Too soon to give up on him. Will he be centering a top six line or meeting his draft expectations? No, but he could be a very serviceable bottom six forward if he can convert to the wing. Great speed and hands. 

Remember last season’s pre season? He looked really good. If he doesn’t show something this season though he won’t have any backers left. But I think he’ll show something this year.

It’s WAAAY too soon. The question is why he’s a bum after 33 games when a guy like Boqvist is so highly regarded after 35. It’s unreasonable. Either of those buys could develop into something much better, or could fail to develop at all and wind up playing in the AHL or Europe in a couple of years. 

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I honestly don’t see what future McLeod may have here outside of centering the fourth line one day. He really doesn’t bring much to the table. 

Hoping this trade has the same outcome at the Palms trade. Skillful player underused in an bottom 6 role getting a shot higher up. 

The trade is one for one.   

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4 minutes ago, devlman said:

I’m going to hold the candle for McLeod. Too soon to give up on him. Will he be centering a top six line or meeting his draft expectations? No, but he could be a very serviceable bottom six forward if he can convert to the wing. Great speed and hands. 

Remember last season’s pre season? He looked really good. If he doesn’t show something this season though he won’t have any backers left. But I think he’ll show something this year.

His hand are not even close to being great. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s WAAAY too soon. The question is why he’s a bum after 33 games when a guy like Boqvist is so highly regarded after 35. It’s unreasonable. Either of those buys could develop into something much better, or could fail to develop at all and wind up playing in the AHL or Europe in a couple of years. 

It’s already been pointed out that McLeod has also been disappointing in the AHL. Boqvist has been more productive in a the far better SHL. 

 

McLeod’s best year in the AHL: 

6 G 27 A 33 P 55 GP


Boqvist best year in the SHL:

13 G 22 A 35 P 51 GP

 

So Boqvist has been better (especially scoring goals) in the 3rd best league in the world, while McLeod has overall been fairly underwhelming in a minor league. 

Do you see why many would be higher on one over the other now? 

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7 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

His hand are not even close to being great. 

This is accurate through 33. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s one of those things that comes later without showing at least signs of it early on. I don’t anticipate great things from him. 

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

It’s already been pointed out that McLeod has also been disappointing in the AHL. Boqvist has been more productive in a the far better SHL. 

 

McLeod’s best year in the AHL: 

6 G 27 A 33 P 55 GP


Boqvist best year in the SHL:

13 G 22 A 35 P 51 GP

 

So Boqvist has been better (especially scoring goals) in the 3rd best league in the world, while McLeod has overall been fairly underwhelming in a minor league. 

Do you see why many would be higher on one over the other now? 

Not to the point where people should be praising Boqvist as highly as they were, even before he played an NHL game, and certainly before he even had an NHL point.

Does Boqvist have a better upside? Sure. But that wasn’t what I was discussing. 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

This is accurate through 33. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s one of those things that comes later without showing at least signs of it early on. I don’t anticipate great things from him. 

If he had hands to match his speed he would have been worthy of nearly being a top 10 pick. I just don’t see much there though. 

It’s pretty annoying knowing we could have had Charlie McAvoy or Jake Bean with that pick. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Not to the point where people should be praising Boqvist as highly as they were, even before he played an NHL game, and certainly before he even had an NHL point.

Does Boqvist have a better upside? Sure. But that wasn’t what I was discussing. 

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16 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s WAAAY too soon. The question is why he’s a bum after 33 games when a guy like Boqvist is so highly regarded after 35. It’s unreasonable. Either of those buys could develop into something much better, or could fail to develop at all and wind up playing in the AHL or Europe in a couple of years. 

Personally, from my eye test Boqvist so far looks smarter and more talented. But yeah still early for both.

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1 hour ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I dunno, I didn't really see a whole lot there.  To each their own though.  I think some people rated him higher for the silly reason of having Jesper and Jesper on the team.  

Lol that is an absurd strawman’s argument that isn’t worthy of further discussion.

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3 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

If he had hands to match his speed he would have been worthy of nearly being a top 10 pick. I just don’t see much there though. 

It’s pretty annoying knowing we could have had Charlie McAvoy or Jake Bean with that pick. 

Or Alex DeBrincat, a relative steal at #39. 

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11 minutes ago, aylbert said:

Sure, but you can’t cherry pick drafts like that.

Plus every team passed on him at least once. Bean and McAvoy were the two next picks though...

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20 minutes ago, aylbert said:

Sure, but you can’t cherry pick drafts like that.

No, you can’t. That’s why I try to never look back. You draft who you think will be the best at the time, sometimes you’re wrong. 

We were probably wrong on McLeod.

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s worth nothing if you get 0.11 points per game. Can’t say that about Boqvist at this point because the sample size is too small. But people continued to do it for Josefson the entire time he was here. 

That was the point. 

It’s an absurd point on a terrible hockey team with a terrible coaching staff and terrible linemates, and no amount of you internet bullying changes that.

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4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Get the feeling he eventually gets moved as part of a package for something else.  Just don’t see much there.  

Who would want him......

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59 minutes ago, MB3 said:

It’s an absurd point on a terrible hockey team with a terrible coaching staff and terrible linemates, and no amount of you internet bullying changes that.

There was no bullying. We disagreed on a point. Even you should be able to understand that. 

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In 2018-19, Johnsson had a stretch where he put up 18 goals and 19 assists over 48 games.  Would be awesome if he can have runs like that here.  As much I liked Anderson, I can’t imagine him ever being that productive over a similar number of games.  Makes me like this deal even more.

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41 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m not even sure we’ll see Anderson in the NHL this season. This deal was a no brainer. 

It’s a shame for Anderson if he doesn’t get any time up with the big club this season...he’s obviously not a finished product, but he’s NHL-ready.

As for the no-brainer comment...not only do I agree with you, I’m a little surprised that the Leafs couldn’t pry something else out of the Devils (say, a 3rd or 4th round pick).  But when you’re in cap trouble and other teams know it, clearly that kills your leverage.

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41 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Hoping this trade has the same outcome at the Palms trade. Skillful player underused in an bottom 6 role getting a shot higher up. 

I'll go one further...I think Fitz snagged Johnsson to be Palms' replacement.  I think Palms very much wants to stay, but I don't think Fitz is bullish on keeping him long-term (unless it's at a VERY reasonable cap hit).  Basically if Palms is willing to stick around at $5 - 5.5 million per season for 3 - 4 years, Fitz is listening.  Anything much more than that, there's no conversation.  I simply don't think Fitz has any interest in paying for Palms' Age 34 and beyond years.  

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3 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'll go one further...I think Fitz snagged Johnsson to be Palms' replacement.  I think Palms very much wants to stay, but I don't think Fitz is bullish on keeping him long-term (unless it's at a VERY reasonable cap hit).  Basically if Palms is willing to stick around at $5 - 5.5 million per season for 3 - 4 years, Fitz is listening.  Anything much more than that, there's no conversation.  I simply don't think Fitz has any interest in paying for Palms' Age 34 and beyond years.  

I also think $5m is a fair deal for a guy who's going to be 30 in February. Problem is the comperables might swing the price tag in his favor by the end of this offseason. You have guys like David Perron who is older by at least a yearon a team friendly $4m deal, but then we have Dadonov yet to be signed, both of whom put up more points. Rielly Smith for arguments sake is the same player, making $5m.

I personally hope Palms, for all of his streaking, would stay for that kind of deal, especially since we don't know how long Zajac will play and I like the idea of having a veteran leader to help mentor the young guys.

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