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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

You guys want a pie in the sky off-season idea? If the Avs can’t agree with Landeskog... just go nuts. Give him a 7 year 77 million dollar contract, making him solidly overpaid by ~3m per year but again, who gives a flying fvck about our cap? 

A true leader, senior voice in the locker room full of kids and he’ll be on the good-side of his age-35 season for all 7 years.

That’s how you weaponize cap space. 

I don’t disagree whatsoever, but you know and I know offer sheets NEVER happen, and they certainly never happen with us. But I give you credit for thinking outside the box lol 

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1 minute ago, MadDog2020 said:

I don’t disagree whatsoever, but you know and I know offer sheets NEVER happen, and they certainly never happen with us. But I give you credit for thinking outside the box lol 

He’s a UFA…

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5 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

I don’t disagree whatsoever, but you know and I know offer sheets NEVER happen, and they certainly never happen with us. But I give you credit for thinking outside the box lol 

you don’t need to offer sheet 28 y/o unrestricted free agents

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Just now, MB3 said:

you don’t need to offer sheet 28 y/o unrestricted free agents

But I agree, if you did it would never work. 

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7 minutes ago, MB3 said:

you don’t need to offer sheet 28 y/o unrestricted free agents

Oh sh!t that’s right Landeskog is a UFA- no idea why I was thinking he was an RFA lol 

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1 hour ago, CarpathianForest said:

Colorado is on the verge of a cup final. No way Landeskog wants to come here and start from scratch

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that it’s unlikely, but Colorado has a cap crunch and soon needs to pay several of their key pieces. 

If Colorado can’t make it work and only offers something like 8/54 and the Devils offer 7/77? You don’t think an extra twenty million dollars changes someone’s mind?

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48 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I agree that it’s unlikely, but Colorado has a cap crunch and soon needs to pay several of their key pieces. 

If Colorado can’t make it work and only offers something like 8/54 and the Devils offer 7/77? You don’t think an extra twenty million dollars changes someone’s mind?

Yeah so you want US to overpay for him and be in the same cap crunch in a few years when our guys are signing their bigger contracts and ready to compete? I like him but personally not giving 11m a year to a dude who only scored over 30 goals once on a stacked team.

I think people underestimate how fast you can get in serious cap hell if you don't spend wisely. Vegas got in cap hell and had to trade guys away literally years after becoming a team and starting from scratch

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah so you want US to overpay for him and be in the same cap crunch in a few years when our guys are signing their bigger contracts and ready to compete? I like him but personally not giving 11m a year to a dude who only scored over 30 goals once on a stacked team.

I think people underestimate how fast you can get in serious cap hell if you don't spend wisely. Vegas got in cap hell and had to trade guys away literally years after becoming a team and starting from scratch

Yes, I want us to overpay him. “Cap hell”, lmao, try your fvcking damndest to invent a scenario where the Devils are in cap hell in the future. 

The lightning found a way around it and they were deemed to be in “the worst possible cap hell there could be!!!!!!!!!!!!” The Devils are currently overpaying for Subban and Johnsson and have to claw and scratch to reach the cap FLOOR. Nico is already signed to a deal that would make him the fifth highest paid player on the Lightning. Fifth! Find me four more players who will be making more than Nico. 

Oh no, Vegas is in cap hell?! They had to trade guys away?! They were fvcking minutes from their second SCF appearance in three years. Teams figure it out; and any team worth half of a sh!t has their pube hairs up against “cap hell”, until — ya know — they don’t. 

Spare me the bullsh!t. Spare everyone the bullsh!t. I don’t want another “2022 New Jersey Devils, ready to weaponize cap space!!!!” to be the only thing I’m excited about for the tenth fvcking year in a row.

Use it. Use it! USE IT. Because if you don’t, you won’t have to worry about cap-hell when Jack, Ty, and whoever the fvck else you think is worth $9+ in the future won’t be sticking around a losing, failing franchise to sign the goddamned contract.

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4 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Yes, I want us to overpay him. “Cap hell”, lmao, try your fvcking damndest to invent a scenario where the Devils are in cap hell in the future. 

The lightning found a way around it and they were deemed to be in “the worst possible cap hell there could be!!!!!!!!!!!!” The Devils are currently overpaying for Subban and Johnsson and have to claw and scratch to reach the cap FLOOR. Nico is already signed to a deal that would make him the fifth highest paid player on the Lightning. Fifth! Find me four more players who will be making more than Nico. 

Oh no, Vegas is in cap hell?! They had to trade guys away?! They were fvcking minutes from their second SCF appearance in three years. Teams figure it out; and any team worth half of a sh!t has their pube hairs up against “cap hell”, until — ya know — they don’t. 

Spare me the bullsh!t. Spare everyone the bullsh!t. I don’t want another “2022 New Jersey Devils, ready to weaponize cap space!!!!” to be the only thing I’m excited about for the tenth fvcking year in a row.

Use it. Use it! USE IT. Because if you don’t, you won’t have to worry about cap-hell when Jack, Ty, and whoever the fvck else you think is worth $9+ in the future won’t be sticking around a losing, failing franchise to sign the goddamned contract.

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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

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Nah man, have some nuts and actually answer and then I’ll be satisfied. Your biggest ghost story is becoming the.... ghasp... Vegas Golden Knights? Or, omg, the Colorado Avalanche!?

It’s not just you. In fact it’s mostly not you! But you said it so I had to reply to you. All of you guys keep saying OH! NO! POSSIBLE CAP HELL IN 2028!!! fvcking bring that sh!t on! That means a team that’s dedicated to winning. That means a team that has core pieces making  good money establishing themselves as an actual force in the NHL. Every year there’s a section of this board who acts like we should avoid at all costs overpaying for players while simultaneously building a better team. It’s exhausting and it’s so hard to read. 

Good players don’t sign UFA contracts with bad teams unless they are overpaid.

To everyone, not just SD who I pick on because of my slightly homoerotic fanfiction I write about him at midnight on weekdays, read that sentence again. Fifty times. 

The things that would have to take place to find the Devils in cap hell would be the best things that have happened to this franchise since Henrique found a puck in a scramble in front. Root for that sh!t to fvcking happen.

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44 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Yes, I want us to overpay him. “Cap hell”, lmao, try your fvcking damndest to invent a scenario where the Devils are in cap hell in the future. 

The lightning found a way around it and they were deemed to be in “the worst possible cap hell there could be!!!!!!!!!!!!” The Devils are currently overpaying for Subban and Johnsson and have to claw and scratch to reach the cap FLOOR. Nico is already signed to a deal that would make him the fifth highest paid player on the Lightning. Fifth! Find me four more players who will be making more than Nico. 

Oh no, Vegas is in cap hell?! They had to trade guys away?! They were fvcking minutes from their second SCF appearance in three years. Teams figure it out; and any team worth half of a sh!t has their pube hairs up against “cap hell”, until — ya know — they don’t. 

Spare me the bullsh!t. Spare everyone the bullsh!t. I don’t want another “2022 New Jersey Devils, ready to weaponize cap space!!!!” to be the only thing I’m excited about for the tenth fvcking year in a row.

Use it. Use it! USE IT. Because if you don’t, you won’t have to worry about cap-hell when Jack, Ty, and whoever the fvck else you think is worth $9+ in the future won’t be sticking around a losing, failing franchise to sign the goddamned contract.

I'm trying to be more positive about this team in general but I find it difficult, I think the season will end up being 21-22 well at least I was back in the arena in my seats, yay normalcy. Would love nothing more than to be wrong though. 

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29 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Nah man, have some nuts and actually answer and then I’ll be satisfied. Your biggest ghost story is becoming the.... ghasp... Vegas Golden Knights? Or, omg, the Colorado Avalanche!?

It’s not just you. In fact it’s mostly not you! But you said it so I had to reply to you. All of you guys keep saying OH! NO! POSSIBLE CAP HELL IN 2028!!! fvcking bring that sh!t on! That means a team that’s dedicated to winning. That means a team that has core pieces making  good money establishing themselves as an actual force in the NHL. Every year there’s a section of this board who acts like we should avoid at all costs overpaying for players while simultaneously building a better team. It’s exhausting and it’s so hard to read. 

Good players don’t sign UFA contracts with bad teams unless they are overpaid.

To everyone, not just SD who I pick on because of my slightly homoerotic fanfiction I write about him at midnight on weekdays, read that sentence again. Fifty times. 

The things that would have to take place to find the Devils in cap hell would be the best things that have happened to this franchise since Henrique found a puck in a scramble in front. Root for that sh!t to fvcking happen.

You gotta learn to be more patient, almost a full decade of ineptitude and losing hasn't been enough time to rebuild a proper franchise. 

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25 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Nah man, have some nuts and actually answer and then I’ll be satisfied. Your biggest ghost story is becoming the.... ghasp... Vegas Golden Knights? Or, omg, the Colorado Avalanche!?

It’s not just you. In fact it’s mostly not you! But you said it so I had to reply to you. All of you guys keep saying OH! NO! POSSIBLE CAP HELL IN 2028!!! fvcking bring that sh!t on! That means a team that’s dedicated to winning. That means a team that has core pieces making  good money establishing themselves as an actual force in the NHL. Every year there’s a section of this board who acts like we should avoid at all costs overpaying for players while simultaneously building a better team. It’s exhausting and it’s so hard to read. 

Good players don’t sign UFA contracts with bad teams unless they are overpaid.

To everyone, not just SD who I pick on because of my slightly homoerotic fanfiction I write about him at midnight on weekdays, read that sentence again. Fifty times. 

The things that would have to take place to find the Devils in cap hell would be the best things that have happened to this franchise since Henrique found a puck in a scramble in front. Root for that sh!t to fvcking happen.

Well i never said the biggest story was Vegas. I used Vegas as an example of a team who went from... not existing at all. To be in a position where they had to trade players because of the cap. And yeah they were a good team but its not always the case.

The Oilers this year... spent to the cap... Blackhawks... spent to the cap... the Blues.. spent to the cap... Vancouver spent to the cap... the SABRES, had 1.something million of cap space this year. Well... the point is there was only like 6 teams this year not spending up to the cap... which means there's a load of them who did spend to the the cap and didn't make the playoffs.. not good enough, and since they are up to the cap, they don't have that much flexibility to get better at times.

Not long ago we were that team too! We sucked and were against the cap, even played down one man cause we were so fvcked with the cap

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Spending to the cap doesn’t guarantee success, but “cap hell” doesn’t really exist. Everyone figures it out and nobody ever loses their main pieces, unless they are so injured or have become otherwise ineffective so that they aren’t worth keeping. 

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55 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Spending to the cap doesn’t guarantee success, but “cap hell” doesn’t really exist. Everyone figures it out and nobody ever loses their main pieces, unless they are so injured or have become otherwise ineffective so that they aren’t worth keeping. 

Of course it does.   Not necessarily the main pieces but the ability to surround them with competent talent.    That is why Chicago had to jettison players every offseason in a cap crunch.  They haven't won anything since the Kane and Toews contracts kicked in.  It's why some people were so upset about the Kucherov LTIR because it delayed the purge thats coming this offseason.   Do you think the Lightning would have looked a little different if they couldn't have afforded to fill out their bottom 6 with guys like Gourde, Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon etc?   The 3rd and 4th line did most of the scoring in the finals.    

There's a big difference between letting some mythical "future cap hell" paralyze you from making moves to improve the team and just making irresponsible moves just because you have cap space.  Before anyone says they'll be happy to lose players to the cap if it means winning the cup, the risk is that you cap out and start losing player before you ever get to the Chicago or Tampa level.  Spending 11 million on Landekog to me would be more like the Toronto situation where you bring in the high priced guy too early and then everyone around them compares themselves to him in contract negotiations.  Before you know it, you're capped out with guys who have never accomplished sh!t and now you're looking at an off season where you can't even afford to keep one of the few guys with the one trait (grit) you lack the most in Josh Hyman.  Another good example is Buffalo when they first got that super rich owner.  They just spent for the sake of spending and it never lead to anything.      

I'm all for going big game hunting if we're talking about a 1D.   That moves the needle.   Landeskog is barely a PPG player on a line with MacKinnon and Rantenen.   He would be an 11 million dollar 55 pt wing in NJ.  Basically the rich mans version of Dustin Brown or Nick Foligno here.   If we need more veteran leadership, there are cheaper ways to get it.              

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19 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

That is why Chicago had to jettison players every offseason in a cap crunch.     

Exactly, they took care of it. The Keith trade is the latest example. 

20 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

It's why some people were so upset about the Kucherov LTIR because it delayed the purge thats coming this offseason.   Do you think the Lightning would have looked a little different if they couldn't have afforded to fill out their bottom 6 with guys like Gourde, Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon etc?   The 3rd and 4th line did most of the scoring in the finals.    

Back to back Stanley Cups. Such cap hell. I would hate to win two Cups. 

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8 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

You gotta learn to be more patient, almost a full decade of ineptitude and losing hasn't been enough time to rebuild a proper franchise. 

i think people are missing your sarcasm here lol 

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31 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Exactly, they took care of it. The Keith trade is the latest example. 

Back to back Stanley Cups. Such cap hell. I would hate to win two Cups. 

These responses are exactly why I put the second paragraph in there.    

 

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